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Unread 06-20-2012, 10:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Nevada inmate shackled before giving birth sues

LAS VEGAS (Reuters) - A former prison inmate who says she was shackled at the ankles in an ambulance while in labor prior to the birth of her daughter despite the objections of medical personnel sued the Nevada Department of Corrections on Wednesday.

The suit, filed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Nevada, cited what it described as shocking indifference to "wholly obvious, serious medical needs" after the woman's ankles were shackled before and after giving birth in October.

The woman, Valerie Nabors, was being held at the Florence McClure Women's Correctional Center in North Las Vegas for trying to steal about $300 in casino chips, a nonviolent crime, when she went into labor. Nabors, 30, has since been released.

The lawsuit, which alleges violations of state law and Nabors' constitutional rights, said that after she went into labor, guards ran to the ambulance in which she was transported to the hospital and shackled her ankles together, despite protests by ambulance personnel.

Steve Suwe, spokesman for the Nevada State Department of Corrections, would not comment on the case.

The shackles remained on Nabors at the University Medical Center, causing her to stumble when a nurse told her to change into a gown, according to the lawsuit.

Prison guards removed the shackles as she changed and then attempted to put them on again, but a delivery room nurse told them it was not necessary and that "it would make medical history if Ms. Nabors attempted to get away," the lawsuit said.

Guards shackled her again 10 minutes after her daughter's birth. During the following days of recuperation, an attending doctor diagnosed a pulled groin muscle and recommended physical therapy, but Nabors remained shackled and could not carry out the treatment, according to the lawsuit.

The prison also confiscated a medically prescribed breast pump, causing further hardship, the lawsuit said.

Nabors was incarcerated less than a year for attempted grand larceny after attempting to steal the casino chips, said Staci Pratt, legal director at the ACLU of Nevada.

"Anybody who has gone through birth or witnessed it can imagine the challenges and difficulties of giving birth while shackled," Pratt said. "It is a far cry from the common standards of decency and what we expect as a civilized society."

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Unread 06-21-2012, 12:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Prison guards removed the shackles as she changed and then attempted to put them on again, but a delivery room nurse told them it was not necessary and that "it would make medical history if Ms. Nabors attempted to get away," the lawsuit said.
Yeah, kick the guards in the balls and tell them to run and see for themselves.
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Unread 06-21-2012, 10:41 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Why did this pregnant woman commit a crime at a casino? That's the dumbest thing to do. Obviously she didn't think about her unborn child's future when she did it.
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Why did this pregnant woman commit a crime at a casino? That's the dumbest thing to do. Obviously she didn't think about her unborn child's future when she did it.
yea same for the father who gave her some sperms are the most dumbest thing to do too.
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yea same for the father who gave her some sperms are the most dumbest thing to do too.
What? He's not the one who committed the crime.

If you were talking about him getting her pregnant, the woman is dumber for spreading her legs.
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What? He's not the one who committed the crime.

If you were talking about him getting her pregnant, the woman is dumber for spreading her legs.
Actually, the father made bad judge by giving her a baby. father should cut off his private thingy before he makes baby suffer.
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What? He's not the one who committed the crime.

If you were talking about him getting her pregnant, the woman is dumber for spreading her legs.
You're kidding, right? Ha... ha?
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I find it outrageous for a woman inmate to be shackled when she is about to give birth....She sure as hell isn't going anywhere!...And even the thought of a woman giving birth in handcuffs and shackles makes my blood boil!....

Giving birth is no easy task, we women go thru a lot of pain. The scene of a woman about to give birth, being shackled and her legs on the stirups, spread apart with a chain?....Say what!

She wasn't a violent criminal. Where is the compassion here?
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Actually, the father made bad judge by giving her a baby. father should cut off his private thingy before he makes baby suffer.
That's not the point. The woman shouldn't commit a crime while she was pregnant. The baby's father has nothing to do with her crime.
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That's not the point. The woman shouldn't commit a crime while she was pregnant. The baby's father has nothing to do with her crime.
Father lets baby suffer.
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You're kidding, right? Ha... ha?
OK, unless you take a birth control or your sexual partner uses a condom, you can get pregnant unexpectedly. Correct? So when you find out that you are pregnant but you are not ready or prepared for it, whose fault is it? YOURS! You spread your legs so you ask for it.
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Who told you that?
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That's not the point. The woman shouldn't commit a crime while she was pregnant. The baby's father has nothing to do with her crime.
She was arrested for "trying to steal $300 in chips from a casino...a non-violent crime"....

My guess is that you are a guy, right?...Never given birth?...So to let you know, that to have a baby, we do have to spread our legs, both times...one to get pregnant and the other to have a baby...Shackles were restricting the woman from giving birth, actually, it could have caused the death of the baby. You sure as hell don't give birth with your legs closed...

Besides, there were guards there, and a woman who is giving birth, even after the birth, is in no shape to run off...these Guards were really stupid and yeah, I would sue too if it were me.

No baby should ever be Born and take their first breath in life with their mother in shackles and handcuffs. It's inhumane, and the fact she did not commit a violent crime and was no danger to anyone,
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Who told you that?

No one. seriously, they should have treat her in the right way when she gave birth to baby. No matter waht if she did do crime but did she hurt them no, so let them allow her to have some private time for giving a baby. Nothing else.
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She was arrested for "trying to steal $300 in chips from a casino...a non-violent crime"....
My guess is that you are a guy, right?...Never given birth?...So to let you know, that to have a baby, we do have to spread our legs, both times...one to get pregnant and the other to have a baby...Shackles were restricting the woman from giving birth, actually, it could have caused the death of the baby. You sure as hell don't give birth with your legs closed...

Besides, there were guards there, and a woman who is giving birth, even after the birth, is in no shape to run off...these Guards were really stupid and yeah, I would sue too if it were me.

No baby should ever be Born and take their first breath in life with their mother in shackles and handcuffs. It's inhumane, and the fact she did not commit a violent crime and was no danger to anyone,
Oh, yeah , I agree that she should not be ankle-shackled while giving birth. So she's suing.

My point is that would you commit a crime like stealing while you are pregnant? That's ****ing crazy if you would.
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No one. seriously, they should have treat her in the right way when she gave birth to baby. No matter waht if she did do crime but did she hurt them no, so let them allow her to have some private time for giving a baby. Nothing else.
That's correct. That's why she's suing.
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Oh, yeah , I agree that she should not be ankle-shackled while giving birth. So she's suing.

My point is that would you commit a crime like stealing while you are pregnant? That's ****ing crazy if you would.
People commit crimes when they are sane....crazy....drunk...on drugs...pregnant...even kids commit crimes....or for the hell of it...Who's not to say that this woman who was pregnant needed $$ for food, milk, etc.?....So what she did was wrong, of course and she got caught....

So it's not her unborn baby's fault and the baby has the right to be born without shackles that might restrict it being born safely....
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OK, unless you take a birth control or your sexual partner uses a condom, you can get pregnant unexpectedly. Correct? So when you find out that you are pregnant but you are not ready or prepared for it, whose fault is it? YOURS! You spread your legs so you ask for it.
That's completely BS....it takes 2 to tango!...Birth control is the responsibility of both...not just the woman....
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That's correct. That's why she's suing.
Of course it is. You got my attention by quote for women.
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What? He's not the one who committed the crime.

If you were talking about him getting her pregnant, the woman is dumber for spreading her legs.
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OK, unless you take a birth control or your sexual partner uses a condom, you can get pregnant unexpectedly. Correct? So when you find out that you are pregnant but you are not ready or prepared for it, whose fault is it? YOURS! You spread your legs so you ask for it.

Good lord!

Allow me to show you how I feel with this extreme facepalm image:


You narrow minded, uneducated, uncultured sexist douchebag!


You are one of those people who think women should be taught how not to get raped instead of teaching men not to rape, aren't you? I know you are...
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It takes two to tango... It is both of their fault. He did not use a condom or use a contraceptive and the girl did not use any contraceptives. So the fault is equally the mans and the womans.


I agree if this lady did not commit a violent crime she should have never had shackles put on her. The dept of corrections went against medical advice. I think this lady has a good suit.
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Why did this pregnant woman commit a crime at a casino? That's the dumbest thing to do. Obviously she didn't think about her unborn child's future when she did it.
she was probably doing it for her baby. father was probably a deadbeat and she needed money to care for herself and medical expense.
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what appauling story,that inhuman do that...ok she commited crime but that do not give navada the right treat her like a dog in fact you no treat dog like that
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You misunderstood big time. I guess you don't read well. Frisky Feline blamed the child's father for her crime. I mean WTF? so I disagreed with her posts.

For example, if I was a woman, I spread my legs for a guy to f**k me and then I get pregnant. Do I blame that guy for that? ****ing no! It's my fault that I didn't use a birth control or tell him to use a condom. If a child's father doesn't want to get involved with the child, then I would sue him for a child support. However if it was a one-night stand and I don't know who the guy was, then I am ****ed up and I would have to find a job to make money to support the child. That's the mature/responsible/honest thing to do instead of committing a crime like stealing because I think about the child's future.

Your comment about rape is pointless because having casual sex with someone is not rape.

Like I said before, of course what they did to that woman before/after she gave birth is unacceptable. I assume that's why they let her go afterwards. She's suing them for wrongful actions.
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Crazypaul, just discard the first few posts of mine except the last post #15.
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she was probably doing it for her baby. father was probably a deadbeat and she needed money to care for herself and medical expense.
She could find a job to support herself and her baby instead of committing a crime. That's a honest and responsible thing to do. She's old enough to know better than that. She can't expect to get away with it all the times. Thank God, this is not another country where mothers who committed a crime and their newborns/children stay in jail together.
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whose fault is it? YOURS! You spread your legs so you ask for it.

Good lord! You narrow minded, uneducated, uncultured sexist douchebag!

You are one of those people who think women should be taught how not to get raped instead of teaching men not to rape, aren't you? I know you are...

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You misunderstood big time. I guess you don't read well. Frisky Feline blamed the child's father for her crime. I mean WTF? so I disagreed with her posts.

For example, if I was a woman, I spread my legs for a guy to f**k me and then I get pregnant. Do I blame that guy for that? ****ing no! It's my fault that I didn't use a birth control or tell him to use a condom. If a child's father doesn't want to get involved with the child, then I would sue him for a child support. However if it was a one-night stand and I don't know who the guy was, then I am ****ed up and I would have to find a job to make money to support the child. That's the mature/responsible/honest thing to do instead of committing a crime like stealing because I think about the child's future.

Your comment about rape is pointless because having casual sex with someone is not rape.

Like I said before, of course what they did to that woman before/after she gave birth is unacceptable. I assume that's why they let her go afterwards. She's suing them for wrongful actions.

I am going to break your incredibly thoughtless response into parts because as a whole, it is just overwhelmingly heartbreaking. I'm always surprised and disappointed to (be forced to) relearn that there are people who are still stuck in the pre feminist movement mindset.... Like you, a neanderthal.

I read just fine. As BabyBlue and numerous people in history all over the world have said, it takes two to tango. You are placing all the blame on the woman. The woman alone is not stupid or irresponsible for not using protection, they both are. The woman AND the man get pregnant- the woman is only the vessel. Are we clear on that?

I did not say the woman was raped, nor am I disagreeing with you about casual (consenting) sex not being rape. I'm saying you are the type of frat boy bastard who thinks if a woman is raped, it's her own fault for dressing, talking, being whatever or wherever she was. Let me say this in another way: You said it's her fault for spreading her legs and getting pregnant so basically you are saying anything that happens when her legs are spread is her own fault. Which can only mean that you think women get whatever's coming to them, and that includes rape. You are, possibly unintentionally and subconsciously, endorsing rape culture and hurting women and girls. That way of thinking is problematic and you need to educate yourself.

They let her go because she committed a nonviolent crime. People who commit nonviolent crimes, especially first time offenders, are often let go fairly quickly. It was not because they shackled her ankles in an appalling way and time, although I'm sure they're embarrassed now- and rightfully so.
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Good lord! You narrow minded, uneducated, uncultured sexist douchebag!

You are one of those people who think women should be taught how not to get raped instead of teaching men not to rape, aren't you? I know you are...




I am going to break your incredibly thoughtless response into parts because as a whole, it is just overwhelmingly heartbreaking. I'm always surprised and disappointed to (be forced to) relearn that there are people who are still stuck in the pre feminist movement mindset.... Like you, a neanderthal.

I read just fine. As BabyBlue and numerous people in history all over the world have said, it takes two to tango. You are placing all the blame on the woman. The woman alone is not stupid or irresponsible for not using protection, they both are. The man AND woman get pregnant- the woman is only the vessel. Are we clear on that?

I did not say the woman was raped, nor am I disagreeing with you about casual (consenting) sex being rape. I'm saying you are the type of frat boy bastard who thinks if a woman is raped, it's her own fault for dressing, talking, being whatever or wherever she was. Let me say this in another way: You said it's her fault for spreading her legs and getting pregnant so basically you are saying anything that happens when her legs are spread is her own fault. Which can only mean that you think women get whatever's coming to them, and that includes rape. You are, possibly unintentionally and subconsciously, endorsing rape culture and hurting women and girls. That way of thinking is problematic.

They let her go because she committed a nonviolent crime. People who commit nonviolent crimes, especially first time offenders, are often let go fairly quickly. It was not because they shackled her ankles in an appalling way and time, although I'm sure they're embarrassed now- and rightfully so.
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You misunderstood big time. I guess you don't read well. Frisky Feline blamed the child's father for her crime. I mean WTF? so I disagreed with her posts.

For example, if I was a woman, I spread my legs for a guy to f**k me and then I get pregnant. Do I blame that guy for that? ****ing no! It's my fault that I didn't use a birth control or tell him to use a condom. If a child's father doesn't want to get involved with the child, then I would sue him for a child support. However if it was a one-night stand and I don't know who the guy was, then I am ****ed up and I would have to find a job to make money to support the child. That's the mature/responsible/honest thing to do instead of committing a crime like stealing because I think about the child's future.

Your comment about rape is pointless because having casual sex with someone is not rape.

Like I said before, of course what they did to that woman before/after she gave birth is unacceptable. I assume that's why they let her go afterwards. She's suing them for wrongful actions.
and... it's his fault too for not wearing condom and ejaculating inside her. He too will have to pay for child support and everything.
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