Government blocks fuel efficient cars...70 mpg

kokonut · 06-15-2012, 02:52 AM

U.S. Government blocks sales of fuel-efficient cars

Pretty sad and pathetic at the same time.

**Foxrac** · 06-15-2012, 02:59 AM

I think you don't like little cute car with efficient fuel.

Not surprised about this car got higher emission than US standard, however I don't think it has with Obama Admin, it is more likely to be regulation that approved by the congress or state law in California.

**Jiro** · 06-15-2012, 04:15 AM

somebody's got a lil' too much time on his hands.... and lot of hot air

**Ausrider** · 06-15-2012, 06:16 AM

As Foxrac said, there are lots of rules and regulations cars must meet, i doubt its a governments conspiricy

airportcop · 06-15-2012, 11:02 AM

This has been happening for many, many years now. And yes I do believe that it is a conspiracy between the government, the auto makers in the US and the oil companies! I was told that Chevrolet had the ability in the 50s with a special carb to get 50-60 mpg on cars but the parts were kept secret then destroyed. Paid off by oil companies probably and maybe the government too. Yes, the government regulations are also due to the government being paid off in my opinion. The reason US cars don't last as long as Japanese cars is because the US manufacturers want you to come back to them for service ($) or to buy a new one!

PowerON · 06-15-2012, 11:56 AM

2 reason I assume, they block:

1. Small mean risk for people's life.
2. Too slow, doesn't meet highway, more like for city only.

rolling7 · 06-15-2012, 12:03 PM

I agree it is a conspiracy. Anyone needing proof can come to Houston, specifically Pasadena, Tx. Here there are dozens of refineries and they stew out lord-knows-what into the air. Yes, there are regulations but the government is content to either not regulate or ignore the air quality test results. Going on now is a lawsuit by dozens of ordinary folks against BP, the same company that gave us the Gulf of Mexico mess.
People are getting sick through the release of seriously bad chemicals at a more-than-dangerous level into the air. Conspiracy between big oil and the government? Yes.

**Foxrac** · 06-15-2012, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airportcop

This has been happening for many, many years now. And yes I do believe that it is a conspiracy between the government, the auto makers in the US and the oil companies! I was told that Chevrolet had the ability in the 50s with a special carb to get 50-60 mpg on cars but the parts were kept secret then destroyed. Paid off by oil companies probably and maybe the government too. Yes, the government regulations are also due to the government being paid off in my opinion. The reason US cars don't last as long as Japanese cars is because the US manufacturers want you to come back to them for service ($) or to buy a new one!

It looks like we have to expose the government, automakers and oil companies for their corruption.

Same goes with California because they have stricter emission regulation than federal so most cars make based on California standard.

**Foxrac** · 06-15-2012, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling7

I agree it is a conspiracy. Anyone needing proof can come to Houston, specifically Pasadena, Tx. Here there are dozens of refineries and they stew out lord-knows-what into the air. Yes, there are regulations but the government is content to either not regulate or ignore the air quality test results. Going on now is a lawsuit by dozens of ordinary folks against BP, the same company that gave us the Gulf of Mexico mess.
People are getting sick through the release of seriously bad chemicals at a more-than-dangerous level into the air. Conspiracy between big oil and the government? Yes.

Remember, you don't want regulation for oil companies but you want it now.

It looks like you are flopping.

rolling7 · 06-15-2012, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerON

2 reason I assume, they block:

1. Small mean risk for people's life.
2. Too slow, doesn't meet highway, more like for city only.

You obviously have not seen the Smart Car nor Fiat on the road.

**Foxrac** · 06-15-2012, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerON

2 reason I assume, they block:

1. Small mean risk for people's life.
2. Too slow, doesn't meet highway, more like for city only.

Check this car review.
Volkswagen Passat Bluemotion 1.6 TDI Review | Autocar

I doubt that meet 2 reasons due to review.

**Foxrac** · 06-15-2012, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling7

You obviously have not seen the Smart Car nor Fiat on the road.

Volkswagen Passat Bluemotion 1.6 TDI is bigger than smart car and Fiat.

For me, I see some smart cars and Fiat cars on road.

rolling7 · 06-15-2012, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxrac

Remember, you don't want regulation for oil companies but you want it now.

It looks like you are flopping.

Go back and find a post of mine where I said I'm against regulations. You won't find one. I'm all for exploration and drilling within the bounds of regulations. You must have mises the point where I posted: "the government is content to either not regulate or ignore air quality test results."

diehardbiker · 06-15-2012, 12:20 PM

Its because they don't like Diesel, read carefully, it is for diesel vehicles. You see, it stand my claim that my old 85 Jetta Diesel reaches 60 MPG. I know Smart car diesel that can reach 91mpg you won't find one in United states, only in Canada and Europe. Reason they block is EPA! EPA don't like Diesel engines and that is why they are fighting to prevent more Diesel vehicles in the United States. Diesel Vehicle is very common in Europe.

PowerON · 06-15-2012, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling7

You obviously have not seen the Smart Car nor Fiat on the road.

So, you think I don't seen it before?
SMART car crash accident

metalangel · 06-15-2012, 12:52 PM

In the UK, they used to determine cost of your annual "vehicle excise duty" (known as a tax disc which you display in the windshield) on the size of the engine. Now it's done by the amount of CO2 emissions.

A car with a diesel engine will emit a LOT less CO2 than the exact same car with a gasoline engine of equivalent power.

This change in the regulations also meant a lot of unexpected hikes in tax for people... my Celica, for example, emits LESS CO2 than my mother's hairdresser's Ford StreetKa and I therefore pay less than her!

My Skoda Octavia (related to the VW Jetta) got about 55mpg, but it would be 11 years old now so technology has moved on a long way since then.

It was also rumoured that the traffic light sequencing (the 'green wave') was deliberately set to force cars to stop and start... to burn more fuel... to pay more tax.

**TXgolfer** · 06-15-2012, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metalangel

It was also rumoured that the traffic light sequencing (the 'green wave') was deliberately set to force cars to stop and start... to burn more fuel... to pay more tax.

I think this is likely done in California as well...

**TXgolfer** · 06-15-2012, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kokonut

U.S. Government blocks sales of fuel-efficient cars

Pretty sad and pathetic at the same time.

Just more proof the guy is a Snake Oil salesman.... If it doesn't please his solar buddies, he is not interested.

I drove by Solyndra a few nights ago. All the lights were on but it was empty.

diehardbiker · 06-15-2012, 02:51 PM

Even though the sequencing on traffic light is fact, it was never intended to force stop to use more gas, actually the opposite is true. It was to force driver to maintain speed limits. If you go by speed limit you will get green light all the way. But if you go faster, you will reach red light. Maintaining speed limit actually saves gas.

Quote:

Originally Posted by metalangel

It was also rumoured that the traffic light sequencing (the 'green wave') was deliberately set to force cars to stop and start... to burn more fuel... to pay more tax.

metalangel · 06-15-2012, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Even though the sequencing on traffic light is fact, it was never intended to force stop to use more gas, actually the opposite is true. It was to force driver to maintain speed limits. If you go by speed limit you will get green light all the way. But if you go faster, you will reach red light. Maintaining speed limit actually saves gas.

Interesting. However, in the UK they have these:

and these

Read more about them here. The first one is a fixed camera which are a common sight everywhere, the other two could be lurking ANYWHERE. Only the brave or foolish drive fast now around here. My missus' mother just got caught by one of the fixed ones doing 35mph in a 30 zone. Unlike a traffic cop, they enforce the letter of the law rather than the spirit of it. Going with the flow, clear conditions, empty roads, the camera doesn't care. Driving isn't fun any more.

**TXgolfer** · 06-15-2012, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Even though the sequencing on traffic light is fact, it was never intended to force stop to use more gas, actually the opposite is true. It was to force driver to maintain speed limits. If you go by speed limit you will get green light all the way. But if you go faster, you will reach red light. Maintaining speed limit actually saves gas.

That's the way it should be....But it some places like CA and the UK it doesn't work that way. In fact the lights in the Bay area are just crazy. L.A. is bad too.

**TXgolfer** · 06-15-2012, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metalangel

Interesting.
Read more about them here. The first one is a fixed camera which are a common sight everywhere, the other two could be lurking ANYWHERE. Only the brave or foolish drive fast now around here. My missus' mother just got caught by one of the fixed ones doing 35mph in a 30 zone. Unlike a traffic cop, they enforce the letter of the law rather than the spirit of it. Going with the flow, clear conditions, empty roads, the camera doesn't care. Driving isn't fun any more.

Which of course is part of the agenda

**Foxrac** · 06-16-2012, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling7

Go back and find a post of mine where I said I'm against regulations. You won't find one. I'm all for exploration and drilling within the bounds of regulations. You must have mises the point where I posted: "the government is content to either not regulate or ignore air quality test results."

You did in many posts so I'm not going dig nearly 3,000 posts.

Do you have concern about people with asthma or lungs problem?

If emission reaches acceptable level so it shouldn't be issue, also I don't support residents to locate to area that surrounding of oil shale due to high emission that could cause many complications.

airportcop · 06-17-2012, 01:53 PM

The California emissions package is a conspiracy as well! Just robbing the people of more money! How do I know this? I bought a new Ford Ranger in 1985 in California. When I moved back to Missouri in 1986 it wouldn't pass the St. Louis area Missouri emissions test! Even Ford couldn't fix it! They said they changed a sensor and it passed! Next year we had to unplug a hose to fool the test system to make it pass. I have been told that diesel is less harmful to the environment?!

**Foxrac** · 06-17-2012, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airportcop

The California emissions package is a conspiracy as well! Just robbing the people of more money! How do I know this? I bought a new Ford Ranger in 1985 in California. When I moved back to Missouri in 1986 it wouldn't pass the St. Louis area Missouri emissions test! Even Ford couldn't fix it! They said they changed a sensor and it passed! Next year we had to unplug a hose to fool the test system to make it pass. I have been told that diesel is less harmful to the environment?!

That's 80's but California didn't impose the stricter emission standard than federal level until around 90's and 2000's.

deafdrummer · 06-17-2012, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metalangel

It was also rumoured that the traffic light sequencing (the 'green wave') was deliberately set to force cars to stop and start... to burn more fuel... to pay more tax.

And that's why we go over the limit, so that we can thread several "green light" needles without stopping once on the way to work. Go the speed limit, and expect to stop at lots of red lights. They do this on purpose.

**Chevy57** · 06-17-2012, 02:51 PM

2013 Chevrolet diesel Cruze to be made at Lordstown Ohio for Europe and Asia only. This diesel may offer highway fuel economy of 50 mpg. GM will plan to sell a diesel version of the Chevrolet Cruze compact car in the U.S???

2013 Chevrolet Cruze To Offer 2.0-Liter Clean-Diesel Option

metalangel · 06-17-2012, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chevy57

2013 Chevrolet diesel Cruze to be made at Lordstown Ohio for Europe and Asia only. This diesel may offer highway fuel economy of 50 mpg. GM will plan to sell a diesel version of the Chevrolet Cruze compact car in the U.S???

2013 Chevrolet Cruze To Offer 2.0-Liter Clean-Diesel Option

About time. A guy in my office bought a (gasoline) Cruze and traded it in because, by European standards, it's a gas guzzler. He now has a Honda Civic hatchback.

GM makes a lot of decent diesel cars in Europe (the Buick Lacrosse is based off the Opel Insignia which has tons of diesel engines available) as does Ford. It's a shame only VW is bold enough to bring them to the North American market so far.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deafdrummer

And that's why we go over the limit, so that we can thread several "green light" needles without stopping once on the way to work. Go the speed limit, and expect to stop at lots of red lights. They do this on purpose.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7998182.stm

Quote:

Motorists should face fewer red lights following the relaxation of government guidance on the flow of traffic.Local councils can adopt "green wave" systems of sensors, where vehicles at or just below the speed limit trigger a succession of green lights.
Environmental and motoring groups say carbon emissions will be reduced.
Previously the Department for Transport (DfT) had discouraged the systems which reduce fuel use, resulting in less tax being paid to the Treasury.
But now, rather than seeing green wave systems as a "cost" to the public purse, the DfT views them as a "benefit".

soutthpaw · 06-17-2012, 08:03 PM

Yep this is old news but its the EPA that is screwing up everything and not letting diesels into the USA. almost half the vehicles on the road in Europe are diesels due to fuel efficiency being 50 to 100% better than gasoline. Modern Direct injection Turbocharged diesels are also less polluting per gallon than their gasoline counterparts. Diesel is cheaper to refine and can be made from algae, nuts, corn, and just about any plant. also needs less refining than gasoline.
Remember that a Euro gallon is 20 % larger than a US gallon when looking at MPG's
The reason the Smart for 2 is popular in Europe is that it runs a little 1 liter diesel that does over 70mpg. that figure got cut in half when shipped to the us with a gas engine.
Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) is the other choice and 100% domestic fuel source...
its also cleaner than gasoline with less pollutants and no bi-products of combustion and costs less than half what a gallon of gas costs. some places like Utah its about 75 cents a gallon.

**Foxrac** · 06-17-2012, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soutthpaw

Yep this is old news but its the EPA that is screwing up everything and not letting diesels into the USA. almost half the vehicles on the road in Europe are diesels due to fuel efficiency being 50 to 100% better than gasoline. Modern Direct injection Turbocharged diesels are also less polluting per gallon than their gasoline counterparts. Diesel is cheaper to refine and can be made from algae, nuts, corn, and just about any plant. also needs less refining than gasoline.
Remember that a Euro gallon is 20 % larger than a US gallon when looking at MPG's
The reason the Smart for 2 is popular in Europe is that it runs a little 1 liter diesel that does over 70mpg. that figure got cut in half when shipped to the us with a gas engine.
Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) is the other choice and 100% domestic fuel source...
its also cleaner than gasoline with less pollutants and no bi-products of combustion and costs less than half what a gallon of gas costs. some places like Utah its about 75 cents a gallon.

Yup, I'm not happy with EPA and oil companies that block auto with diesel from become common, also I'm not happy about our government doesn't response to 1973 oil crisis because this crisis is warning about gas price will getting more expensive so we should have alternative so much earlier.

I want to heavily reform the EPA and oil companies. I don't care if oil companies lose the money because of big shift to diesel so they need to stop greedy because many Americans are struggling with high gas price.

06-15-2012, 02:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
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Foxrac Need Stormtroopers? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Zaphias Posts: 32,398	I think you don't like little cute car with efficient fuel. Not surprised about this car got higher emission than US standard, however I don't think it has with Obama Admin, it is more likely to be regulation that approved by the congress or state law in California. __________________ In Moto We Trust

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06-15-2012, 12:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	I agree it is a conspiracy. Anyone needing proof can come to Houston, specifically Pasadena, Tx. Here there are dozens of refineries and they stew out lord-knows-what into the air. Yes, there are regulations but the government is content to either not regulate or ignore the air quality test results. Going on now is a lawsuit by dozens of ordinary folks against BP, the same company that gave us the Gulf of Mexico mess. People are getting sick through the release of seriously bad chemicals at a more-than-dangerous level into the air. Conspiracy between big oil and the government? Yes. deafdrummer and airportcop like this.

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diehardbiker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In back of Superduty Posts: 11,207	Its because they don't like Diesel, read carefully, it is for diesel vehicles. You see, it stand my claim that my old 85 Jetta Diesel reaches 60 MPG. I know Smart car diesel that can reach 91mpg you won't find one in United states, only in Canada and Europe. Reason they block is EPA! EPA don't like Diesel engines and that is why they are fighting to prevent more Diesel vehicles in the United States. Diesel Vehicle is very common in Europe. __________________ J-MAC's quote: "People who try and fail are more superior than people who don't try at all" "If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson (1778) Avatar picture is Cape Hatteras light house in OBX.

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metalangel Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 597	In the UK, they used to determine cost of your annual "vehicle excise duty" (known as a tax disc which you display in the windshield) on the size of the engine. Now it's done by the amount of CO2 emissions. A car with a diesel engine will emit a LOT less CO2 than the exact same car with a gasoline engine of equivalent power. This change in the regulations also meant a lot of unexpected hikes in tax for people... my Celica, for example, emits LESS CO2 than my mother's hairdresser's Ford StreetKa and I therefore pay less than her! My Skoda Octavia (related to the VW Jetta) got about 55mpg, but it would be 11 years old now so technology has moved on a long way since then. It was also rumoured that the traffic light sequencing (the 'green wave') was deliberately set to force cars to stop and start... to burn more fuel... to pay more tax.

06-17-2012, 01:53 PM	#24 (permalink)
airportcop Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 1,088	The California emissions package is a conspiracy as well! Just robbing the people of more money! How do I know this? I bought a new Ford Ranger in 1985 in California. When I moved back to Missouri in 1986 it wouldn't pass the St. Louis area Missouri emissions test! Even Ford couldn't fix it! They said they changed a sensor and it passed! Next year we had to unplug a hose to fool the test system to make it pass. I have been told that diesel is less harmful to the environment?! __________________ Romans 12:12 (NIV) Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.

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Chevy57 Sherlock Hound Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: O..HI..O! Posts: 10,279	2013 Chevrolet diesel Cruze to be made at Lordstown Ohio for Europe and Asia only. This diesel may offer highway fuel economy of 50 mpg. GM will plan to sell a diesel version of the Chevrolet Cruze compact car in the U.S??? 2013 Chevrolet Cruze To Offer 2.0-Liter Clean-Diesel Option

06-17-2012, 08:03 PM	#29 (permalink)
soutthpaw Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 336	Yep this is old news but its the EPA that is screwing up everything and not letting diesels into the USA. almost half the vehicles on the road in Europe are diesels due to fuel efficiency being 50 to 100% better than gasoline. Modern Direct injection Turbocharged diesels are also less polluting per gallon than their gasoline counterparts. Diesel is cheaper to refine and can be made from algae, nuts, corn, and just about any plant. also needs less refining than gasoline. Remember that a Euro gallon is 20 % larger than a US gallon when looking at MPG's The reason the Smart for 2 is popular in Europe is that it runs a little 1 liter diesel that does over 70mpg. that figure got cut in half when shipped to the us with a gas engine. Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) is the other choice and 100% domestic fuel source... its also cleaner than gasoline with less pollutants and no bi-products of combustion and costs less than half what a gallon of gas costs. some places like Utah its about 75 cents a gallon.

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