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Seoul (CNN) -- North Korea proclaimed itself a "nuclear state" this week following a revision of its constitution earlier this year.

Kim Jong-Il has "transferred the country into an undefeated country with strong political ideology, a nuclear power state, and invincible military power," according to the updated constitution posted on its portal website Naenara. The website posted the revised constitution on Wednesday, according to Yonhap, the South Korean state affiliated news agency.

North Korea ready to carry out nuclear test at any moment, Seoul says

The statement looks all too familiar.

North Korea previously announced its nuclear capability through its state-run broadcaster and newspapers, "but no expression can be stronger than including it in their constitution," Professor Choi Jong Kun of Yonsei University told CNN.

"It is an announcement of confirmation," he added, "and it appears to be directed to the U.S. and other relevant nations."

The communist state carried out nuclear tests in 2006 and 2009.

Signs of new activity at North Korea's nuclear test site

Pyongyang recently announced that it will press on with its nuclear program in response to what it calls "hostility from the United States."

A defense publication, IHS Janes, also said it detected signs of activities ramping up at North Korea's nuclear test site, raising speculation Pyongyang may be preparing for a third nuclear test.

North Korea proclaims itself a nuclear state in new constitution - CNN.com

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Foxrac

It isn't true when come to US.

US vs. North Korea = US wins and the land of North Korea will gives back to South Korea for unification.

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Grummer

its be too late, the entire NK would be irraditated...
and probably japan and east of china too
forget war, NK leaders need shots of lasers from the satellites....its the only way...

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CrazyPaul

Seriously? Don't they think we can bomb them?

Foxrac

We could as last resort but use nuclear weapon against North Korea isn't best option for first time so we don't want land of North Korea to be contaminated with radiation. After unification with South Korea is complete so Korea, US and other allies could spend money on massive renovation on North part, improving and modernize the outdated, 1940's infrastructures, try to creating more jobs, etc.

Back in 1940's, before Korea got split into two countries. North Korea was industrialized region and South Korea was mostly rural, farmland.

I think Grummer's post indeed make sense about use nuclear weapon is bad idea.

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Jiro

not really. South Korea and USA will easily lose the war against North Korea.

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nah. nuclear weapon will never be used even if war happens again. using a nuke is a suicide mission and a complete annihilation. Seoul contains over 50% of South Korean population and same for Pyongyang. Over 60% of South Korea is not livable since it's a very mountainous country.

so nuking each other's capitals would be worse than the Black Death.

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Grummer

easily? why?
backings from China? but i do knw NK have some of the biggest military in the world...but it might come as ironic as you may not expect, tooo many they'd lose orders...so it might not be ' as strong as they'd like to make it out' its all about controlling and power for the Jong wankers...

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Jiro

South Korean military is not mentally and physically fit for it. The morale is extremely low and there's no strong sense of patriotism.

and when it comes to combat-ready, South Korean + American are terribly outnumbered.

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Grummer

hmm you'r prob right ...but for all i know they need to rid of the jongs, they are hell bent to destroy the world...they are dangerous people, and nuking isn't going to work and like i said a blast of lasers from the sat might but cavent is its hovering over China's airspace (and above) might pose high riskes...and or there' probably doesnt exist, (a la James bond fantasy here lol)
i dont have a clue whats the answer to this problem...its a sad sad world

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North Korea has barely pathetic logistical resources and outdated equipment to sustain a war, not to mention big infantry numbers don't indicate a batter force posture. I think it will come down to a US vs China confrontation. Betcha didn't know a girl knew that!

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Grummer

whatever girl

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CrazyPaul

What about NK's air power? That good? Regarding to air power, U.S. Air Forces is one of the best.

Foxrac

Oh really? even without foreign's help? because NK will launch the nuclear weapon in no time?

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Foxrac

Yup, just like I said it wasn't good idea at all.

What happens if NK start to invade SK so how we could prevent NK from attacking SK? I think that Seoul is beautiful in picture and doesn't want this capital city turns into ugly due to war.

Why does NK will outnumber US + SK? I think that we have modern, better military technologies and we are ability to thwart the invasion by NK. I'm surprised about your claim and like to know about it.

Interesting about 60% of SK is not livable, what about Japan? I think Japan will be much worse because of more mountainous country. Build the place on mountain is very expensive for sure.

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It is just a bunch of saber rattling by NK! They know that they would lose big time in a war with US or SK. But China on the other hand is scary big in it's military and so is Russia.

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Grummer

...and more so, china have access to technology, NK dont, i cant help but feel Jiro since he's a Korean some kind of wierd ego warps his judgement

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Grummer

pride is a **** up thing ya know?

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CrazyPaul

I don't think China will support NK if NK starts the war.

PowerON

North Korea would need to trade weapon for food.

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CrazyPaul

Yeah, I heard they don't have enough food. True?

Foxrac

Yup, because of sanction caused food storage.

North Korea food shortage worst in years, despite farms - USATODAY.com

North Korea treats military as highest priority to feed them to prevent from starvation so they left civilians as lowest priority. NK Government treats military like golden people.

It means NK isn't socialism for everyone anymore but just restrict the socialism to military only.

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Grummer

i dunno about that....
China got the world in their pocket USA owes them $$ and many other country, and everyones getting pissed off

now just when they refuse to pay China...cause of cheat or stealing labour or substandard products or intellectual property thefts, etc
then i mean like
those little business side of things
can indeed trigger a war, not jsut business war, military war...
i mean this would be the *only reason* why WW3 would start...oil is on the sideline....

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CrazyPaul

WTF are you talking about? Do you mean that because U.S. still owes China money, China would defend NK, even though NK starts the war? If so, you are crazier than me.

Jiro

probably UK but not much. I do not expect much foreign support. Producing, maintaining, and launching nuclear weapon is cost-prohibitive especially for a poor country like North Korea so I do not believe NK has a capability to launch nuclear missile with accuracy and I do not believe NK has more than 1 or 2 well-functioning nukes.

Other countries are already financially strained and if it comes to Korean War, they would be extremely hesitant to get involved into costly, bloody war since it's not their problem.

Obviously... everybody is doing their best to prevent it from getting ugly.

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Jiro

NK's air power is so comical that even you can knock it off with your joystick controlling Predator. NK's not stupid to waste their time and money on its air force since they know we can easily and simply knock'em off before their pilots can even see it coming.

It does not matter if we have air supremacy. Afghanistan, Vietnam, and Korean War have shown that our air power yielded meek success due to difficult terrain. Like I said before - majority of Korean peninsula is mountainous. That would be advantageous for North Koreans like it was for Taliban.

What wins the war is putting men on ground. As long as we have sufficient naval support, we'll be somewhat ok. Air support is very tricky and difficult. Many countries forbid Americans from using their bases and/or airspace for launching attack on other country except for logistic/medical purpose. That's why we have aircraft carriers and long-range bombers plus stratotanker originating from American bases.

Our allies like Turkey and Germany forbade Americans from using its bases and airspace to launch attack in Iraq. That's why our bombers flew the way there and back to America. On that side note.... this is part of reasons why we have over $600 billions for defense budget to research for more efficient and better way to get around with our problems such as building a floating airbase large enough to launch bomber planes or building a better UAV that's as good & capable as bomber plane and can be launched from aircraft carrier.

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Jiro

My friend was a former Special Force for South Korean military. Intelligence unit.

No ego or pride going on here. Only facts and reality. The fact and reality is that our South Korean army is pathetic and sad. The fact and reality is that American soldiers in Korea would not survive North Korean onslaught as they're severely outnumbered.

Korean people are required to serve in military for 3 years. Extremely unpopular and demoralizing. They have no strong sense of patriotism like our American soldiers do.

So I'll ask you this thought-provoking question - which one would you, as a citizen, prefer to be defended by? A citizen who was forced into army to defend a country or a citizen who voluntarily signed up to defend a country? There you go.

As for me - America is first... and anything else is secondary. If Korean War did happen, I would sign up for America, not Korea.

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PowerON

Why are you so obsession on USA owe the debt to China? Really? Do you realize, USA owe China which is smaller?

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Jiro

No idea. There are millions of mine bombs along the DMZ. So we have to do our best to resolve this diplomatically.

Because NK is a military country lol and Korean War's still on-going so naturally... it would have a huge number of soldiers. Despite of modern and better military technologies, it's still not enough to win the war. You still need to put the men on ground to win. and it's not easy doing that in Korea since terrains are extremely difficult and mountainous. It's not easy to move around with tanks, artillery and supplies. Since DMZ is littered with defensive measures such as mine bombs, anti-tank barriers, obstacles, etc...

It's not going to be easy to do sustained airdrops in enemy territory... meaning Wave 1 would have to hold on long enough for Wave 2 and both Wave 1 (most likely killed) and Wave 2 would have to hold on long enough for Wave 3 and so on. I do not have a strong confidence that we can do it.

Combating and navigating in unknown territory would put Americans in a very disadvantageous position.

Japan is also mountainous and also it's full of islands. Now its livable territory has been reduced because of Fukushima disaster.

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Foxrac

Yup, just let North Korea and South Korea have reunification peaceably.

When come to reunification, North Korea has transition the economy from socialism to capitalism at same level as South Korea, put direct election for citizens to vote, draft and adopt the new constitution, fixing and modernize the infrastructure, change the policies for education, teach citizens about how capitalism works and possibly disarm the nuclear weapon or handover to South Korea.

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