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**Jiro** · 06-04-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

You have already provided it.

then you must have misunderstood it. and of course.... you disagree and think I misunderstood it but it doesn't really matter anymore because it's still legal

CrazyPaul · 06-04-2012, 08:28 PM

Off the point. I just watched TV news about Preaching Hate. The pastor's son sang "Ain't no homo make it to heaven" at his church and the churchgoers applauded. That's sick. Obviously they don't allow gays/lesbians at that church. That's clearly an act of discrimination.

Back to the point, I wonder if one of the churchgoers had an abortion and other churchgoers found out about it, will they kick her out of the church or respect her rights?

kokonut · 06-04-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Off the point. I just watched TV news about Preaching Hate. The pastor's son sang "Ain't no homo make it to heaven" at his church and the churchgoers applauded. That's sick. Obviously they don't allow gays/lesbians at that church. That's clearly an act of discrimination.

Back to the point, I wonder if one of the churchgoers had an abortion and other churchgoers found out about it, will they kick her out of the church or respect her rights?

Nice misdirect in the first paragraph and nothing to do with this thread.

Probably depends on why there was an abortion. But then again if their faith is strong and see value in life you'd be blessed even for a passing moment to have known your baby.
The story of baby Faith Hope

**Jiro** · 06-04-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Nice misdirect in the first paragraph and nothing to do with this thread.

Probably depends on why there was an abortion. But then again if their faith is strong and see value in life you'd be blessed even for a passing moment to have known your baby.
The story of baby Faith Hope

uh that's why he said "off the point."

CrazyPaul · 06-04-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Nice misdirect in the first paragraph and nothing to do with this thread.

Probably depends on why there was an abortion. But then again if their faith is strong and see value in life you'd be blessed even for a passing moment to have known your baby.
The story of baby Faith Hope

NO NO NO! It's none of their business to know why she had an abortion due to her rights to privacy. Get it? So will anti-abortion churchgoers kick her out of the church if she won't give her reasons? Truth, please. Yes or No?

kokonut · 06-04-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

NO NO NO! It's none of their business to know why she had an abortion due to her rights to privacy. Get it? So will anti-abortion churchgoers kick her out of the church if she won't give her reasons? Truth, please. Yes or No?

You said, "..if one of the other churchgoers found out about it.." If one found out about it and got wind of it, well, they'll deal with it on their own accords. I am not the church, so don't ask me. If their faith are strong there wouldn't be an abortion hub bub floating around.

**Jiro** · 06-04-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

You said, "..if one of the other churchgoers found out about it.." If one found out about it and got wind of it, well, they'll deal with it on their own accords. I am not the church, so don't ask me. If their faith are strong there wouldn't be an abortion hub bub floating around.

would your church kick'em out?

CrazyPaul · 06-04-2012, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

You said, "..if one of the other churchgoers found out about it.." If one found out about it and got wind of it, well, they'll deal with it on their own accords. I am not the church, so don't ask me. If their faith are strong there wouldn't be an abortion hub bub floating around.

Why twist my post? That's not exactly what I said. BTW, if they don't welcome her back, that's a shame.

kokonut · 06-04-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Why twist my post? That's not exactly what I said.

You posted it as a conditional question...if...doesn't matter about her privacy if the church somehow found out about it. What matters is how the church or the people will react to this new information and whether they'll act upon it towards the person who had an abortion. Several scenarios can play out depending on the circumstances, so, don't ask me.

Frisky Feline · 06-04-2012, 09:21 PM

just respect women's body to privacy.

respect chichuahua

rolling7 · 06-04-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

ah of course you would say that. please do continue on spinning and twisting.

And do continue to make links say only what you want them to say, that is comical

**Jiro** · 06-04-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Why twist my post? That's not exactly what I said. BTW, if they don't welcome her back, that's a shame.

better ask him if his church would kick'em out or not.

**Jiro** · 06-04-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

And do continue to make links say only what you want them to say, that is comical

oh you don't want to hear facts? I see.

Opinion: Debunking myths of Roe v. Wade - Gary Bauer - POLITICO.com

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Despite its prominence, several profound misconceptions exist about Roe. These misconceptions help to explain why it remains so controversial 36 years after it was handed down.

The first misconception is that the right to abortion has constitutional roots. But Roe’s justification actually derives from an abstract interpretation of the 14th Amendment’s premise of liberty and the malleable concept of a right to privacy found not in the actual text of the Constitution but rather in its “penumbras” and emanations. These foundations are so dubious that even leading lights on the left have criticized Roe’s legal reasoning. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, for example, has called Roe “heavy-handed judicial intervention.”

A second misconception is that Americans overwhelming support Roe v. Wade. But the public remains remarkably uninformed about what the court ruling means. The left has done a great job convincing many Americans that Roe is simply a synonym for abortion rights and that, if one supports even a limited right to abortion, one must also support Roe.

In a 2007 study of registered voters, respondents were asked whether they wanted Roe overturned. A majority (55 percent) said no, while 34 percent said yes. But when respondents were told what Roe means — that it prohibits states from limiting abortion during the first six months of pregnancy and that, if Roe were overturned, states could pass laws that would permit abortion — the share who opposed reversing Roe dropped 7 points, to 48 percent. Meanwhile, the number of people who supported overturning Roe jumped 9 points, to 43 percent. That’s a 16-point swing.

The survey actually understated how extreme Roe is. For instance, surveyors didn’t explain that the “health” exception to late-term prohibitions is so expansive that abortion is effectively available for any reason through all nine months of pregnancy, something most Americans oppose.

Another misconception concerns what would happen if Roe were overturned. The day after Roe’s reversal, abortion policy would revert back to the states. Some states would severely restrict abortion, while a bigger group of more populous states would likely pass laws guaranteeing the same access to abortion they have now. So, far from ending the abortion battle, Roe’s reversal would mark the beginning of a battle to which the past 35 years have been a prelude.

A post-Roe America would look like the America of today in terms of the sheer volume of abortions. The major difference would be an anti-abortion movement toiling to tackle 50 separate abortion policies simultaneously. Another important difference is that we would no longer teach young Americans the lie that — among their cherished constitutional rights of free speech, religion and assembly — there is also a right to take the life of an unborn baby.

A final misconception about Roe is one too often held by its opponents: that Roe’s reversal is the ultimate anti-abortion goal and that support for constitutional protections for the unborn betrays the federalist principles of conservatism. But by asserting states’ rights, Roe’s anti-abortion opposition effectively (if unwittingly) accepts Roe’s reasoning that prenatal life is not a due process right within the constitutional framework and, therefore, that the unborn child is not a constitutional “person.”

airportcop · 06-04-2012, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Excuse me, I don't read all cap lock so well and I felt that you are shouting at me.

I have therapist and psychiatrist who diagnose me with bipolar disorder and they don't say if it was hereditary or not, even sometime, it is unknown. There is no test to make proper diagnose on bipolar, just only mental evaluation do.

Lastly, the bipolar disorder is underdiagnosed for me and I have none of my families who diagnose with bipolar disorder.

Sorry foxrac, I guess I kind of was yelling and that is rude of me. But my point is that bi-polar IS hereditary and that means one had it from birth. I'm not saying that all bi-polar diagnosed people had it in their family genes but probably did somewhere on one side or the other in the past. Maybe someday they will come up with a test that conclusively finds bi-polar disorder. Yes it is diagnosed by observing behaviors and by a psychiatrist. Do you take medication for it?

airportcop · 06-04-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

better ask him if his church would kick'em out or not.

I seriously doubt that any Christian church worth it's salt would kick any woman out for having an abortion. Most would not condone it but they would support her in her grief. Or at least they should.

**Jiro** · 06-04-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

I seriously doubt that any Christian church worth it's salt would kick any woman out for having an abortion. Most would not condone it but they would support her in her grief. Or at least they should.

grief?

rolling7 · 06-04-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

oh you don't want to hear facts? I see.

Opinion: Debunking myths of Roe v. Wade - Gary Bauer - POLITICO.com

Like I said, you want your links to say only what you want them to.
This link in NO WAY speaks about stopping a beating heart and that is the whole point you are ignoring from the beginning. Go back and re-read post #224.

airportcop · 06-04-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

grief?

Yes grief! Any woman who has ever had an abortion will tell you that they grieved! Just ask those that have if you have the nerve to do so. I have done so personally and have heard their stories. Depression and grief. Sometimes even heath problems or complications from the "procedure". Sad!

**Jiro** · 06-04-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Like I said, you want your links to say only what you want them to.
This link in NO WAY speaks about stopping a beating heart and that is the whole point you are ignoring from the beginning. Go back and re-read post #224.

again - why do I care about that? that's not a good enough reason for me to trample over women's rights to privacy.

**Jiro** · 06-04-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

Yes grief! Any woman who has ever had an abortion will tell you that they grieved! Just ask those that have if you have the nerve to do so. I have done so personally and have heard their stories. Depression and grief. Sometimes even heath problems or complications from the "procedure". Sad!

ah... then you understand why abortion should remain legal otherwise... your churchgoer could die from back alley abortion with a coat hanger.

airportcop · 06-04-2012, 10:13 PM

I would be willing to bet that 99.9% don't have a party after they have an abortion! They grieve and are depressed. Part of their body has been ripped out of them! It is a physical and psychological change in their body and mind! If they have any conscience then they will be thinking about what they have done for years to come!

**Jiro** · 06-04-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

I would be willing to bet that 99.9% don't have a party after they have an abortion! They grieve and are depressed. Part of their body has been ripped out of them! It is a physical and psychological change in their body and mind! If they have any conscience then they will be thinking about what they have done for years to come!

exactly!!! lot of people seem to think abortion is like a drive-thru birth control facility.

airportcop · 06-04-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

ah... then you understand why abortion should remain legal otherwise... your churchgoer could die from back alley abortion with a coat hanger.

NOPE! That has happened even during the legal days! It is still killing a human! Mostly no excuses! I only agree in rape, incest or life of mother being threatened! Then only in very early stage. Very few cases like these. Very few!

Do you realize that most pregnancies that have serious birth defects end naturally in miscarriage?!

airportcop · 06-04-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

exactly!!! lot of people seem to think abortion is like a drive-thru birth control facility.

Unfortunately some do use it like that!

**Jiro** · 06-04-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

NOPE! That has happened even during the legal days! It is still killing a human! Mostly no excuses! I only agree in rape, incest or life of mother being threatened! Then only in very early stage. Very few cases like these. Very few!

Do you realize that most pregnancies that have serious birth defects end naturally in miscarriage?!

what do you think in majority of abortions - what's the reason?

Mimsy · 06-04-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

has that ever happened?

Aborting because of deafness? YES it has happened many times. My mom is a nurse, she knows. Terible tragedy and no value of human life. So sad and wrong.

**Jiro** · 06-04-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

Unfortunately some do use it like that!

yes. it's despicable but I'm not going to trample over ALL women's rights because of few foolish women.

same thing with Second Amendment.

**Foxrac** · 06-04-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

Sorry foxrac, I guess I kind of was yelling and that is rude of me. But my point is that bi-polar IS hereditary and that means one had it from birth. I'm not saying that all bi-polar diagnosed people had it in their family genes but probably did somewhere on one side or the other in the past. Maybe someday they will come up with a test that conclusively finds bi-polar disorder. Yes it is diagnosed by observing behaviors and by a psychiatrist. Do you take medication for it?

Used to be but not anymore because many antidepressant and mood stabilizer drugs caused my IBS became very aggressive with terrible cramping, intense pain and diarrhea so it doesn't help with my behavior. The intense pain and cramping have caused me to consider to terminate my life to escape from pain.

After failed treatment, psychiatrist decided to not label bipolar disorder but rather to be underdiagnosed. Now, I'm free from any psychiatric drugs.

I don't dispute your claim about bipolar disorder is hereditary so I think it is possible too. It means I don't disagree with you.

**Jiro** · 06-04-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mimsy

Aborting because of deafness? YES it has happened many times. My mom is a nurse, she knows. Terible tragedy and no value of human life. So sad and wrong.

I'd like actual statistic on that.

airportcop · 06-04-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

what do you think in majority of abortions - what's the reason?

Unplanned, unwanted, not ready, inconvenience! No excuses in these cases which are the primary reasons. Act like and adult, be an adult! Grow up and take care of your baby or be responsible and adopt it out to someone that does want it!

06-04-2012, 10:13 PM	#351 (permalink)
airportcop Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 1,088	I would be willing to bet that 99.9% don't have a party after they have an abortion! They grieve and are depressed. Part of their body has been ripped out of them! It is a physical and psychological change in their body and mind! If they have any conscience then they will be thinking about what they have done for years to come! __________________ Romans 12:12 (NIV) Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.

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06-04-2012, 08:28 PM	#332 (permalink)
CrazyPaul Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,975	Off the point. I just watched TV news about Preaching Hate. The pastor's son sang "Ain't no homo make it to heaven" at his church and the churchgoers applauded. That's sick. Obviously they don't allow gays/lesbians at that church. That's clearly an act of discrimination. Back to the point, I wonder if one of the churchgoers had an abortion and other churchgoers found out about it, will they kick her out of the church or respect her rights?

06-04-2012, 09:21 PM	#340 (permalink)
Frisky Feline Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 20,225	just respect women's body to privacy. respect chichuahua