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**Foxrac** · 05-25-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

That's your opinion, and I have my opinion.

Homosexuality isn't lead to moral corruption.

**Reba** · 05-25-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

I wish!!! no gay people have harder time to adopt children here in us and outside of us. My gay friends spend so much $$ on it and got no kids.

What does that prove? I have several straight couple friends who have spent lots of $$ for adoption and they got no kids either.

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i wish surrogate is much cheaper for anyone than adoption.

Personally, I don't agree with surrogacy at all.

I thought the reason people supported adoption was to give homes to existing children and not produce more children. Surrogacy defeats that.

Also, I think it's a bad idea to bring a third adult into any couple's relationship. It didn't turn out well for Abraham and Sarah, and it often doesn't turn out well in the contemporary version. Not to mention many legal and emotional entanglements that can result. To me, a baby isn't something for which you can place an order.

**Foxrac** · 05-25-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

What exactly are the statistics on that?

Do you think it is much easier for homosexual couple to adopt the child?

Not from adoption providers who have long wait and everyone, even homosexual or heterosexual are on wait list.

**KarissaMann05** · 05-25-2012, 05:27 PM

Same-Sex Adoption Facts - What They Aren't Telling You About Gay, Lesbian and Same-Sex Adoption

There you go but I know you'll deny this and insist that heterosexual parents are same as homosexual parents.

So, whatever. There is nothing that I can do.

**Reba** · 05-25-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Homosexuality isn't lead to moral corruption.

Every time society accepts one more kind of immorality as "normal" it goes further into overall immorality and corruption.

Frisky Feline · 05-25-2012, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

What does that prove? I have several straight couple friends who have spent lots of $$ for adoption and they got no kids either.

Personally, I don't agree with surrogacy at all.

I thought the reason people supported adoption was to give homes to existing children and not produce more children. Surrogacy defeats that.

Also, I think it's a bad idea to bring a third adult into any couple's relationship. It didn't turn out well for Abraham and Sarah, and it often doesn't turn out well in the contemporary version. Not to mention many legal and emotional entanglements that can result. To me, a baby isn't something for which you can place an order.

why don't you ask adoption agency to become cheaper and make things easier for the parents. I agree about taking those kids who have no home but adoption agency make it SO impossible. surrogate prenancy is more of chances for them to have kids.

***naisho*** · 05-25-2012, 05:37 PM

2010 data:
1,006,374 of 22,872,151 (4.4% + 0.07% MOE) married opposite sex couples had adopted OR stepchildren
117,884 of 2,267,016 (5.2% + 0.30% MOE) unmarried opposite sex couples had adopted OR stepchildren
vs
5,079 of 38,778 (13.1% + 2.83% MOE) married same sex couples had adopted OR stepchildren [reported census data]
14,967 of 55,849 (26.8% + 3.36% MOE) unmarried same sex couples had adopted OR stepchildren [reported census data]
or
20,060 of 94,627 (21.2 + 2.26% MOE) same sex couples regardless of marriage status had adopted OR stepchildren [unreported data based on other sources]

So what can be concluded above is there are more adoptions/stepchildren from opposite sex couples (1,124,258) than there are from same sex (20,046 reported, 20,060 unreported). However, the % of same sex adoptions is higher than that of opposite sex, but this is a different debate entirely.

Steinhauer · 05-25-2012, 05:45 PM

Naisho, have you researched any unbiased psychological studies done on this subject? You really cannot cite APA as they are not unbiased. The APA was sabotaged by homosexual activists in the 70's.

***naisho*** · 05-25-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Naisho, have you researched any unbiased psychological studies done on this subject? You really cannot cite APA as they are not unbiased. The APA was sabotaged by homosexual activists in the 70's.

If you are referring to studies as the sources posted in this thread, they have been civilian-accessible data provided from the federal government: the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and Census bureau.

Frisky Feline · 05-25-2012, 06:09 PM

More and more for gay couples to get married here in NY. i am soooo happy for them! i know one couple from VA who came to NY recently and got married here and then go back to VA.

**Foxrac** · 05-25-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Every time society accepts one more kind of immorality as "normal" it goes further into overall immorality and corruption.

Homosexuality isn't immorality or moral corruption, period.

**Foxrac** · 05-25-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Naisho, have you researched any unbiased psychological studies done on this subject? You really cannot cite APA as they are not unbiased. The APA was sabotaged by homosexual activists in the 70's.

You just want research that based on anti-homosexual and homophobia.

joycem137 · 05-25-2012, 07:20 PM

I'm LGBT. When I worked for a homophobic employer, my family threatened to out me to my employer and get me fired as a way to "scare me straight." When my mother died in 2009, my family told me not to come to her funeral. They hired police to keep me out. All in the name of Jesus.

I care less about marriage and more about being safe to live my life, have a job, not be murdered or raped for being gay, stuff like that. I don't care if people think I am sinning or whatever. I just want to be left alone and not need to defend myself from violence.

**Foxrac** · 05-25-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by joycem137

I'm LGBT. When I worked for a homophobic employer, my family threatened to out me to my employer and get me fired as a way to "scare me straight." When my mother died in 2009, my family told me not to come to her funeral. They hired police to keep me out. All in the name of Jesus.

I care less about marriage and more about being safe to live my life, have a job, not be murdered or raped for being gay, stuff like that. I don't care if people think I am sinning or whatever. I just want to be left alone and not need to defend myself from violence.

Wow, you have rough life for sure.

I used to had terrible life during teenager and young adult (until 21) until my grandma and some of intermediate families apologized to me about bad treatment due to my sex orientation so they are happy to invite me to funeral, marriage ceremony, church and reunion.

I have seen a lot of gay people have been disowned by their parent who disagree about homosexuality.

airportcop · 05-25-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

right. It is a moral corruption to enslave people, burn heretics, pay tax, obey King, etc in the name of God.

When was the last time this happened in your life time?!

airportcop · 05-25-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

There are alternatives to adopt or get a baby instead go to adoption providers that have long wait list.

I can get baby from lesbian couple at no charge.

Foxrac,

That last sentence doesn't even sound legal or moral!

airportcop · 05-25-2012, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

Same-Sex Adoption Facts - What They Aren't Telling You About Gay, Lesbian and Same-Sex Adoption

There you go but I know you'll deny this and insist that heterosexual parents are same as homosexual parents.

So, whatever. There is nothing that I can do.

No,

I don't think any of the conservatives on here will argue or insist that heterosexual parents are the same as homosexual parents. They simply put can't be the same.

airportcop · 05-25-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by joycem137

I'm LGBT. When I worked for a homophobic employer, my family threatened to out me to my employer and get me fired as a way to "scare me straight." When my mother died in 2009, my family told me not to come to her funeral. They hired police to keep me out. All in the name of Jesus.

I care less about marriage and more about being safe to live my life, have a job, not be murdered or raped for being gay, stuff like that. I don't care if people think I am sinning or whatever. I just want to be left alone and not need to defend myself from violence.

You have an absolute right to the second half of your statement and I agree with it. I am also very sorry that your family treated you this way. It was not right and is not showing love or caring.

**Foxrac** · 05-25-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

Foxrac,

That last sentence doesn't even sound legal or moral!

That's your opinion.

For me, I consider as moral.

It is legal for me to get baby from lesbian woman after delivery the sperm.

I have some lesbian friends who gave babies to gay couples.

rolling7 · 05-25-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

um... we're talking about gay parenting, not gay procreation.

so what are we going to do about these abandoned children that heterosexual couple wastefully created?

We are discussing parenting PERIOD

In otherwords, your supposed links to which group is better. Asking a bunch of humans is one way but too bad you don't want to ask the right source...Mother Nature.

**Foxrac** · 05-25-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

No,

I don't think any of the conservatives on here will argue or insist that heterosexual parents are the same as homosexual parents. They simply put can't be the same.

It is very pointless now.

It is just like beating on dead horses.

Not everyone agree about heterosexual families are same as homosexual families.

For me, I see both of them are not different at all.

airportcop · 05-25-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

That's your opinion.

For me, I consider as moral.

It is legal for me to get baby from lesbian woman after delivery the sperm.

I have some lesbian friends who gave babies to gay couples.

Foxrac,

I am not judging you but do you really think that is okay for a woman (not a young girl with unplanned or unwanted pregnancy) to give away her baby? Think about all of the responsibilities and legalities. Do you really think that a woman who carries a baby for nine months which is part of her innermost being and who is totally okay with giving up something like that without any compensation or connections is realistic or sane? Wow! That is crazy & unbelievable. If this has truly happened there has to be more to the story than "Wham, Bam,Thank you Mam" and here's your baby just like I promised! Can she really just walk away from that?! There are moral implications too.

rolling7 · 05-25-2012, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no I don't. do you have a time machine?

Don't need a time machine, it is right in front of your nose. What ton of rocks have you been under the last several years.

**KarissaMann05** · 05-25-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

No,

I don't think any of the conservatives on here will argue or insist that heterosexual parents are the same as homosexual parents. They simply put can't be the same.

Dammit. You're being so ridiculous.

So, blah...

**Foxrac** · 05-25-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

Foxrac,

I am not judging you but do you really think that is okay for a woman (not a young girl with unplanned or unwanted pregnancy) to give away her baby? Think about all of the responsibilities and legalities. Do you really think that a woman who carries a baby for nine months which is part of her innermost being and who is totally okay with giving up something like that without any compensation or connections is realistic or sane? Wow! That is crazy & unbelievable. If this has truly happened there has to be more to the story than "Wham, Bam,Thank you Mam" and here's your baby just like I promised! Can she really just walk away from that?! There are moral implications too.

I don't understand any questions that you asked in bold.

It is legal for women to give their babies to other parents, it isn't much difference from adoption. The woman who give her babies are not only apply for gay parents, also it can be given to heterosexual parents or single parents, especially single men who enjoy to raise the child on their own. I think it is called surrogacy or something.

I think it is depending on states whichever regulate on adoption so I don't know about your state but in here, it is legal with some risk, especially some untrustworthy mothers could fight the custody of child in the court.

airportcop · 05-25-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I don't understand any questions that you asked in bold.

It is legal for women to give their babies to other parents, it isn't much difference from adoption. The woman who give her babies are not only apply for gay parents, also it can be given to heterosexual parents or single parents, especially single men who enjoy to raise the child on their own. I think it is called surrogacy or something.

I think it is depending on states whichever regulate on adoption so I don't know about your state but in here, it is legal with some risk, especially some untrustworthy mothers could fight the custody of child in the court.

I was asking if you really thought that this process was okay? I really believe that adoption would be a much better idea for all.

**KarissaMann05** · 05-25-2012, 09:35 PM

Sighs. I don't know why you think homosexual parents can't be wonderful parents or you think they're too dangerous for or bad examples to their children.

How come do you think they aren't able to train and to discipline their kids like heterosexual parents would? Unless are they just nothing but immoral animals to you??

Maybe I can't understand your thinking.....

**Foxrac** · 05-25-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

I was asking if you really thought that this process was okay? I really believe that adoption would be a much better idea for all.

If it is legal, I guess so.

Do you think that mothers who deliver their babies to other families do exist?

For me, I will prefer to do it in California because it is safe for custody of child that where I can sign for that, also look for trustworthy mothers too.

**Foxrac** · 05-25-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Yes, wake up and see the 2012-style moral corruption.
There was plenty in the past but mankind does not learn.
Mankind repeats the errors and mistakes of the past continually.

Do you want me to allies with airportcop to defeat Jiro in all debate?

Steinhauer · 05-25-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

Foxrac,

I am not judging you but do you really think that is okay for a woman (not a young girl with unplanned or unwanted pregnancy) to give away her baby? Think about all of the responsibilities and legalities. Do you really think that a woman who carries a baby for nine months which is part of her innermost being and who is totally okay with giving up something like that without any compensation or connections is realistic or sane? Wow! That is crazy & unbelievable. If this has truly happened there has to be more to the story than "Wham, Bam,Thank you Mam" and here's your baby just like I promised! Can she really just walk away from that?! There are moral implications too.

Absolutely agree with you

05-25-2012, 05:27 PM	#274 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 6,381	Same-Sex Adoption Facts - What They Aren't Telling You About Gay, Lesbian and Same-Sex Adoption There you go but I know you'll deny this and insist that heterosexual parents are same as homosexual parents. So, whatever. There is nothing that I can do. __________________ "Pragmatic language is a vital social skill that enables the school-aged child to navigate their way through demanding social situations." -- R. Owens

05-25-2012, 07:20 PM	#283 (permalink)
joycem137 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 87	I'm LGBT. When I worked for a homophobic employer, my family threatened to out me to my employer and get me fired as a way to "scare me straight." When my mother died in 2009, my family told me not to come to her funeral. They hired police to keep me out. All in the name of Jesus. I care less about marriage and more about being safe to live my life, have a job, not be murdered or raped for being gay, stuff like that. I don't care if people think I am sinning or whatever. I just want to be left alone and not need to defend myself from violence. Frisky Feline, Foxrac and KarissaMann05 like this.

05-25-2012, 09:35 PM	#297 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 6,381	Sighs. I don't know why you think homosexual parents can't be wonderful parents or you think they're too dangerous for or bad examples to their children. How come do you think they aren't able to train and to discipline their kids like heterosexual parents would? Unless are they just nothing but immoral animals to you?? Maybe I can't understand your thinking..... __________________ "Pragmatic language is a vital social skill that enables the school-aged child to navigate their way through demanding social situations." -- R. Owens

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05-25-2012, 05:37 PM	#277 (permalink)
*naisho* Forum Disorders M.D.,Ph.D Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 6,162	2010 data: 1,006,374 of 22,872,151 (4.4% + 0.07% MOE) married opposite sex couples had adopted OR stepchildren 117,884 of 2,267,016 (5.2% + 0.30% MOE) unmarried opposite sex couples had adopted OR stepchildren vs 5,079 of 38,778 (13.1% + 2.83% MOE) married same sex couples had adopted OR stepchildren [reported census data] 14,967 of 55,849 (26.8% + 3.36% MOE) unmarried same sex couples had adopted OR stepchildren [reported census data] or 20,060 of 94,627 (21.2 + 2.26% MOE) same sex couples regardless of marriage status had adopted OR stepchildren [unreported data based on other sources] So what can be concluded above is there are more adoptions/stepchildren from opposite sex couples (1,124,258) than there are from same sex (20,046 reported, 20,060 unreported). However, the % of same sex adoptions is higher than that of opposite sex, but this is a different debate entirely.

05-25-2012, 05:45 PM	#278 (permalink)
Steinhauer Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,191 Blog Entries: 1	Naisho, have you researched any unbiased psychological studies done on this subject? You really cannot cite APA as they are not unbiased. The APA was sabotaged by homosexual activists in the 70's.

05-25-2012, 06:09 PM	#280 (permalink)
Frisky Feline Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 20,239	More and more for gay couples to get married here in NY. i am soooo happy for them! i know one couple from VA who came to NY recently and got married here and then go back to VA.