What If Zimmerman Walks Free?

rockin'robin · 05-22-2012, 08:52 AM

Three months ago, George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford, Fla., shot and killed Trayvon Martin.

Handcuffed, taken in and interrogated, Zimmerman told police Trayvon had been acting suspiciously that dark and rainy night, that he had followed Trayvon, been knocked down and battered on the ground, and, fearing for his life, pulled a concealed handgun and shot him.

Sanford police and prosecutors concluded that Zimmerman acted in self-defense and had not committed a provable felony. They let him go.

A racial firestorm followed. "Blacks are under attack," railed Jesse Jackson. "Killing us is big business." Arriving in Sanford, the reverend dialed it up. Trayvon was "shot down in cold blood by a vigilante ... murdered and martyred."

Rep. Maxine Waters' charge of "hate crime" was echoed by radio talker Joe Madison. Rep. Hank Johnson said Trayvon had been "executed." The Grio compared his killing to the lynching of Emmett Till in Mississippi in 1955.

The New Black Panther Party put Zimmerman's face on a "Wanted Dead or Alive" poster, called for 5,000 black men to run him down and said Trayvon had been "murdered in cold blood."

Spike Lee twittered Zimmerman's home address.

Zimmerman and his family have been in hiding for months in fear for their lives after the death threats.

President Obama expressed his empathy with the parents.

"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. And I think (the parents) are right to expect that all of us as Americans are gonna take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened."

Obama said not a word to cool the lynch-mob atmosphere created by some of his major allies in a nation where he is the chief law enforcement officer. And so the campaign to convict Zimmerman of racist murder in the public mind, before he ever got to trial, proceeded on.

Rep. Jan Schakowsky called Trayvon's killing a "modern-day lynching." CNN claimed to have picked up the phrase "(bleeping) coons" on the tape of Zimmerman's call to police, but had to retract when an enhanced version of the tape revealed no such slur.

Three times NBC used a version of Zimmerman's call to the police edited to make it appear he racially profiled Trayvon.

The actual version:

Zimmerman: "This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining, and he's just walking around, looking about."

Dispatcher: "OK, and this guy, is he white, black or Hispanic?"

Zimmerman: "He looks black."

The transcript was spliced to have Zimmerman say: "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."

CNN media critic Howard Kurtz called it "blatant distortion."

Caught and called out, three NBC employees were cashiered.

With this wind at her back, Florida State Attorney Angela Corey charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder. Translation: Zimmerman murdered Trayvon in a "depraved" state of mind.

If convicted, he could get life.

Last week came a more ominous report. Federal investigators are looking into hate crime charges that could bring the death penalty. The feds would have to prove Zimmerman stalked and murdered Trayvon because he was black.

Yet, last week also, evidence from the investigation spilled out into the national media and seemed to contradict and swamp the prosecution's case.

A medical report the day after the shooting revealed that Zimmerman had suffered a broken nose, two black eyes and lacerations on the back of his head. Photographs from the night of the shooting confirmed it.

A police report that same night said Zimmerman's sweatshirt had "grass stains and was wet on the back," consistent with his being flat on his back.

The lead investigator on the scene, Officer Christopher Serino, wrote that Zimmerman could be heard "yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin." One witness said he heard 14 separate cries for help. Trayvon's father initially told police the cries were not those of his son, then recanted.

One responder at the scene said he saw wounds on the knuckles of one of Trayvon's hands, suggesting he had connected with a punch. The coroner found both the knuckle wounds and traces of the drug found in marijuana in Trayvon's blood and urine.

Trayvon's hoodie had powder stains indicating he was shot in the chest from 1 to 18 inches away, consistent again with what Zimmerman said.

Another eyewitness said the guy in the hoodie was on top beating the guy on the bottom "MMA style" — mixed martial arts style.

With this evidence, how can a jury convict Zimmerman of murder?

Yet the public mind has been so poisoned that an acquittal of George Zimmerman could ignite a reaction similar to that, 20 years ago, when the Simi Valley jury acquitted the LAPD cops in the Rodney King beating case.

Should that happen, those who fanned the flames, and those who did nothing to douse them, should themselves go on trial in the public arena.

What If Zimmerman Walks Free? - Yahoo! News

authentic · 05-22-2012, 09:10 AM

Free Zimmerman.

CrazyPaul · 05-22-2012, 09:55 AM

I think it's best for GZ's lawyer to prove that he's not guilty of murder through a trial so TM supporters will see the evidences to show that TM was violent, abusive and dangerous that night and they will shut up after a not-guilty verdict. In other words, hopefully they will not riot after the evidences are presented in a court to prove that GZ shot him in self-defense.

**Jiro** · 05-22-2012, 09:57 AM

wrongful death lawsuit and Zimmerman will lose. He's going to live like OJ Simpson.

CrazyPaul · 05-22-2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

wrongful death lawsuit and Zimmerman will lose. He's going to live like OJ Simpson.

Maybe not.

**Jiro** · 05-22-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Maybe not.

oh he will lose for sure. it was shown that Trayvon would have been alive if Zimmerman didn't get out of his car and that Trayvon did not commit any crime. He died as the result of Zimmerman's reckless negligence.

CrazyPaul · 05-22-2012, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

oh he will lose for sure. it was shown that Trayvon would have been alive if Zimmerman didn't get out of his car and that Trayvon did not commit any crime. He died as the result of Zimmerman's reckless negligence.

110% wrong... TM would still be alive if he didn't attack GZ.

tigersharkdude · 05-22-2012, 10:08 AM

I see a few people in this thread who were there that night, maybe yall need to contact the attorneys and surprise witnesses

**Jiro** · 05-22-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

110% wrong... TM would still be alive if he didn't attack GZ.

that's fine. this must means you're a biggest fan of "Police State"

kokonut · 05-22-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tigersharkdude

I see a few people in this thread who were that night, maybe yall need to contact the attorneys and surprise witnesses

Yeah....but, the transcript tells everything! It's all seeing, all knowing!
/sarc/

If GZ goes free, well, he goes free. Much luck to him and he'll certainly need a new life and new ID. Living in fear like Rushdie :/

rockin'robin · 05-22-2012, 10:18 AM

Trayvon had a cell phone...was even talking to his g/f....if he felt "so threatened" that someone was following him...why didn't he call the Police?...Instead, he took matters into his own hands and attacked Zimmerman....Why didn't he hide?...or knock on someone's home and say "someone is following me and I'm scared"?

**Jiro** · 05-22-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Trayvon had a cell phone...was even talking to his g/f....if he felt "so threatened" that someone was following him...why didn't he call the Police?...Instead, he took matters into his own hands and attacked Zimmerman....Why didn't he hide?...or knock on someone's home and say "someone is following me and I'm scared"?

or how about this.... Zimmerman had a cellphone and was talking to 911 dispatcher. he told dispatcher that Trayvon's looking real suspicious and he's got something in his hand. he also later told detective that Trayvon was circling around his car and he felt very threatened about it that he closed up his window.

so why did he get out anyway? cuz he's got a gun and he's itchy to use it, waiting for Trayvon to give him an excuse to shoot him?

kokonut · 05-22-2012, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Trayvon had a cell phone...was even talking to his g/f....if he felt "so threatened" that someone was following him...why didn't he call the Police?...Instead, he took matters into his own hands and attacked Zimmerman....Why didn't he hide?...or knock on someone's home and say "someone is following me and I'm scared"?

And he choose not to use what time he had to run to his father's friend's house in that same neighborhood for his own safety which was quite strange. But, again, we don't know the exact details and hopefully all that will bear fruit during court discovery.

**Jiro** · 05-22-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

And he choose not to use what time he had to run to his father's friend's house in that same neighborhood for his own safety which was quite strange.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kokonut

But, again, we don't know the exact details and hopefully all that will bear fruit during court discovery.

I'm confused. are you going to theorize it or wait for exact details? you can't do both without contradicting yourself.

CSign · 05-22-2012, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

110% wrong... TM would still be alive if he didn't attack GZ.

Are you sure about that?

TM would still be alive if GZ hadn't been following him after he was directed to fall back.

It goes both ways.

We will see what evidence is presented, and the jury will decide.

**Jiro** · 05-22-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

Are you sure about that?

TM would still be alive if GZ hadn't been following him after he was directed to fall back, remained in his car, used his common sense, followed Neighborhood Watch's cardinal rules, and let the cop deals with it.

It goes both ways.

We will see what evidence is presented, and the jury will decide.

added something to your post above.

**Foxrac** · 05-22-2012, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

wrongful death lawsuit and Zimmerman will lose. He's going to live like OJ Simpson.

Yup and Casey Anthony too.

**Foxrac** · 05-22-2012, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

I think it's best for GZ's lawyer to prove that he's not guilty of murder through a trial so TM supporters will see the evidences to show that TM was violent, abusive and dangerous that night and they will shut up after a not-guilty verdict. In other words, hopefully they will not riot after the evidences are presented in a court to prove that GZ shot him in self-defense.

You should wait until trial in the court before making wrong assumption.

Trayvon Martin wasn't violent person until he started attack.

VacationGuy234 · 05-22-2012, 12:37 PM

I agree with Jiro. It is very likely he will lose a wrongful death suit.

**TXgolfer** · 05-22-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Trayvon Martin wasn't violent person until he started attack.

Any proof of that, or are you just guessing?

**TXgolfer** · 05-22-2012, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

I agree with Jiro. It is very likely he will lose a wrongful death suit.

Probably.....but not based on facts....

**Foxrac** · 05-22-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Any proof of that, or are you just guessing?

Go read CNN article...

tigersharkdude · 05-22-2012, 01:15 PM

^^Because the media wouldnt lie to us

**TXgolfer** · 05-22-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Go read CNN article...

Ah, so no proof...

**Jiro** · 05-22-2012, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Probably.....but not based on facts....

civil court does not have same stringent standard as criminal court.

All the lawyer had to argue was that Trayvon's death was completely avoidable and demonstrate that Zimmerman:

1. had a history of violence
2. had complaints against him
3. had arrest records
4. had made series of poor decisions

**Foxrac** · 05-22-2012, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Ah, so no proof...

Let me clarify.

Trayvon Martin wasn't violent person UNTIL he started attack Zimmerman.

What happened the night Trayvon Martin died - CNN.com

Babyblue · 05-22-2012, 02:32 PM

Wirelessly posted

Regardless of what the courts decide, Zimmerman will never be a free man again.

**saywhatkid** · 05-22-2012, 02:34 PM

If he walks free, I hope it is because he is not guilty, not a case of buying freedom. His life changed that night, and he will never get back there again.

**Jiro** · 05-22-2012, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babyblue

Wirelessly posted

Regardless of what the courts decide, Zimmerman will never be a free man again.

and also 100% un-hireable in what he wanted to pursue.

Thank GOD!

Babyblue · 05-22-2012, 02:38 PM

Wirelessly posted

Exactly, he can kiss his criminal justice career goodbye.

05-22-2012, 08:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,320	What If Zimmerman Walks Free? Three months ago, George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford, Fla., shot and killed Trayvon Martin. Handcuffed, taken in and interrogated, Zimmerman told police Trayvon had been acting suspiciously that dark and rainy night, that he had followed Trayvon, been knocked down and battered on the ground, and, fearing for his life, pulled a concealed handgun and shot him. Sanford police and prosecutors concluded that Zimmerman acted in self-defense and had not committed a provable felony. They let him go. A racial firestorm followed. "Blacks are under attack," railed Jesse Jackson. "Killing us is big business." Arriving in Sanford, the reverend dialed it up. Trayvon was "shot down in cold blood by a vigilante ... murdered and martyred." Rep. Maxine Waters' charge of "hate crime" was echoed by radio talker Joe Madison. Rep. Hank Johnson said Trayvon had been "executed." The Grio compared his killing to the lynching of Emmett Till in Mississippi in 1955. The New Black Panther Party put Zimmerman's face on a "Wanted Dead or Alive" poster, called for 5,000 black men to run him down and said Trayvon had been "murdered in cold blood." Spike Lee twittered Zimmerman's home address. Zimmerman and his family have been in hiding for months in fear for their lives after the death threats. President Obama expressed his empathy with the parents. "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. And I think (the parents) are right to expect that all of us as Americans are gonna take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened." Obama said not a word to cool the lynch-mob atmosphere created by some of his major allies in a nation where he is the chief law enforcement officer. And so the campaign to convict Zimmerman of racist murder in the public mind, before he ever got to trial, proceeded on. Rep. Jan Schakowsky called Trayvon's killing a "modern-day lynching." CNN claimed to have picked up the phrase "(bleeping) coons" on the tape of Zimmerman's call to police, but had to retract when an enhanced version of the tape revealed no such slur. Three times NBC used a version of Zimmerman's call to the police edited to make it appear he racially profiled Trayvon. The actual version: Zimmerman: "This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining, and he's just walking around, looking about." Dispatcher: "OK, and this guy, is he white, black or Hispanic?" Zimmerman: "He looks black." The transcript was spliced to have Zimmerman say: "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black." CNN media critic Howard Kurtz called it "blatant distortion." Caught and called out, three NBC employees were cashiered. With this wind at her back, Florida State Attorney Angela Corey charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder. Translation: Zimmerman murdered Trayvon in a "depraved" state of mind. If convicted, he could get life. Last week came a more ominous report. Federal investigators are looking into hate crime charges that could bring the death penalty. The feds would have to prove Zimmerman stalked and murdered Trayvon because he was black. Yet, last week also, evidence from the investigation spilled out into the national media and seemed to contradict and swamp the prosecution's case. A medical report the day after the shooting revealed that Zimmerman had suffered a broken nose, two black eyes and lacerations on the back of his head. Photographs from the night of the shooting confirmed it. A police report that same night said Zimmerman's sweatshirt had "grass stains and was wet on the back," consistent with his being flat on his back. The lead investigator on the scene, Officer Christopher Serino, wrote that Zimmerman could be heard "yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin." One witness said he heard 14 separate cries for help. Trayvon's father initially told police the cries were not those of his son, then recanted. One responder at the scene said he saw wounds on the knuckles of one of Trayvon's hands, suggesting he had connected with a punch. The coroner found both the knuckle wounds and traces of the drug found in marijuana in Trayvon's blood and urine. Trayvon's hoodie had powder stains indicating he was shot in the chest from 1 to 18 inches away, consistent again with what Zimmerman said. Another eyewitness said the guy in the hoodie was on top beating the guy on the bottom "MMA style" — mixed martial arts style. With this evidence, how can a jury convict Zimmerman of murder? Yet the public mind has been so poisoned that an acquittal of George Zimmerman could ignite a reaction similar to that, 20 years ago, when the Simi Valley jury acquitted the LAPD cops in the Rodney King beating case. Should that happen, those who fanned the flames, and those who did nothing to douse them, should themselves go on trial in the public arena. What If Zimmerman Walks Free? - Yahoo! News

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CrazyPaul Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,982	I think it's best for GZ's lawyer to prove that he's not guilty of murder through a trial so TM supporters will see the evidences to show that TM was violent, abusive and dangerous that night and they will shut up after a not-guilty verdict. In other words, hopefully they will not riot after the evidences are presented in a court to prove that GZ shot him in self-defense. airportcop likes this.

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05-22-2012, 10:18 AM	#11 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,320	Trayvon had a cell phone...was even talking to his g/f....if he felt "so threatened" that someone was following him...why didn't he call the Police?...Instead, he took matters into his own hands and attacked Zimmerman....Why didn't he hide?...or knock on someone's home and say "someone is following me and I'm scared"? TXgolfer, airportcop and Grayma like this.

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VacationGuy234 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,802	I agree with Jiro. It is very likely he will lose a wrongful death suit. __________________

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tigersharkdude Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 463	^^Because the media wouldnt lie to us airportcop likes this. __________________

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Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 12,001	Wirelessly posted Regardless of what the courts decide, Zimmerman will never be a free man again. Foxrac and airportcop like this.

05-22-2012, 02:34 PM	#28 (permalink)
saywhatkid Emerging from the sun Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In space Posts: 7,242 Blog Entries: 2	If he walks free, I hope it is because he is not guilty, not a case of buying freedom. His life changed that night, and he will never get back there again. rockin'robin, TXgolfer and airportcop like this.

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Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 12,001	Wirelessly posted Exactly, he can kiss his criminal justice career goodbye. Foxrac likes this.

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