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whatdidyousay! · 05-19-2012, 11:14 AM

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**Jiro** · 05-19-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Intentions and actions can't be recorded on an audio tape.

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911 dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]
911 dispatcher: OK. We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]
Zimmerman: OK. [2:28]

are you saying that from this transcript, Zimmerman wasn't really following him even though he told dispatcher that he was?

CrazyPaul · 05-19-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

are you saying that from this transcript, Zimmerman wasn't really following him even though he told dispatcher that he was?

Can you read???

The dispatcher asked him the FIRST question "Are you following him?". He answered yes and THEN he was told that he doesn't need to do that. He replied "OK". So it's possible that he stopped following TM AFTERWARD. Did the dispatcher ask him again if he is still following him or not after that? If not, then how do you know that GZ continued following him?

CrazyPaul · 05-19-2012, 05:57 PM

The prosecutor must prove somehow that GZ wasn't telling the truth. If they can't, he must be acquitted. Remember, the lead detective told the court at the bond hearing that he has no evidence of who started it. What's more, TM's father told the authorities that the recorded voice crying for help was not his son's.

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

The prosecutor must prove somehow that GZ wasn't telling the truth. If they can't, he must be acquitted. Remember, the lead detective told the court at the bond hearing that he has no evidence of who started it. What's more, TM's father told the authorities that the recorded voice crying for help was not his son's.

Do you think that George Zimmerman must be acquitted?

In bold, where is source to support your claim? You don't provide a source about communication between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

**Reba** · 05-19-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

are you saying that from this transcript, Zimmerman wasn't really following him even though he told dispatcher that he was?

Following him on foot or in the car? Following him at a distance, or close up? Following him cautiously, in the shadows, or following him boldly in plain sight? It really doesn't describe anything, one way or another.

Also, following and pursuing/chasing are very different actions.

We'll have to wait for the trial to find out

**Jiro** · 05-19-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Can you read???

The dispatcher asked him the FIRST question "Are you following him?". He answered yes and THEN he was told that he doesn't need to do that. He replied "OK". So it's possible that he stopped following TM AFTERWARD. Did the dispatcher ask him again if he is still following him or not after that? If not, then how do you know that GZ continued following him?

FACT: Zimmerman was following Trayvon. He admitted that to dispatcher
FACT: We do not know what happens after he said "OK". It doesn't mean anything. He is either disregarding it or acknowledging it.
FACT: Zimmer instigated the situation by acting on it.
FACT: It was completely avoidable if Zimmerman remained in his car. Why would he get out of his car to follow him or whatsoever when he said that Trayvon was circling around his car, eyeballing him, and acting real suspicious or threatening with his hand in pocket?
FACT: Detective and Corey don't believe him.

**Jiro** · 05-19-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Following him on foot or in the car? Following him at a distance, or close up? Following him cautiously, in the shadows, or following him boldly in plain sight? It really doesn't describe anything, one way or another.

Also, following and pursuing/chasing are very different actions.

We'll have to wait for the trial to find out

Well it's certainly not "in the car" since altercation occurred on sidewalk behind the houses which is not accessible by car. The place where altercation occurred is quite a distance from his car.

And I read that there is a sound of Zimmerman leaving his truck and closing the door to follow Trayvon when he told dispatcher that he was running away.

CrazyPaul · 05-19-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Do you think that George Zimmerman must be acquitted?

In bold, where is source to support your claim?

17th paragraph from What happened the night Trayvon Martin died - CNN.com:

Who was yelling? When the 911 calls were later played back for him and he was asked if they were from his son, an emotional Tracy Martin "quietly responded 'no'."

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

You don't provide a source about communication between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

You can find one of many sources for that. Do your homework.

**Jiro** · 05-19-2012, 07:10 PM

**Reba** · 05-19-2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Well it's certainly not "in the car" since altercation occurred on sidewalk behind the houses which is not accessible by car. The place where altercation occurred is quite a distance from his car.

And I read that there is a sound of Zimmerman leaving his truck and closing the door to follow Trayvon when he told dispatcher that he was running away.

But was Zimmerman in the car at the time he said he was following him? Did he get out of the car to specifically follow Martin, or do something else? Was he still in the act of following Martin at the time of the altercation or was he headed away from him?

The lawyers on both sides will be asking lots of questions to tear apart any assumptions.

Nothing is ever as cut and dry as one thinks in a criminal trial. Every tidbit of evidence and testimony with be picked at.

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

17th paragraph from What happened the night Trayvon Martin died - CNN.com:

Who was yelling? When the 911 calls were later played back for him and he was asked if they were from his son, an emotional Tracy Martin "quietly responded 'no'."

You can find one of many sources for that. Do your homework.

From your link...

Quote:

Who was yelling? When the 911 calls were later played back for him and he was asked if they were from his son, an emotional Tracy Martin "quietly responded 'no'." But an FBI analysis, also detailed on Thursday, said it couldn't be determined whose voice it was due to the "extreme emotional state" of whomever was yelling, a lack of words from which to compare, overlapping voices and "insufficient voice quality" on the recording.

You don't provide a source about this transcript - ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Tra

I'm going consider your post as bogus due lack of source.

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

But was Zimmerman in the car at the time he said he was following him? Did he get out of the car to specifically follow Martin, or do something else? Was he still in the act of following Martin at the time of the altercation or was he headed away from him?

The lawyers on both sides will be asking lots of questions to tear apart any assumptions.

Nothing is ever as cut and dry as one thinks in a criminal trial. Every tidbit of evidence and testimony with be picked at.

Trayvon Martin is already died so we won't hear from him in the court.

**Reba** · 05-19-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Trayvon Martin is already died so we won't hear from him in the court.

That's right. His side will have to be represented by the state.

We might not even hear from Zimmerman. Defendants often choose not to testify on the stand.

Most court cases are decided by other testimony and evidence.

CrazyPaul · 05-19-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

From your link...

TM's father can tell that the voice didn't belong to his son. That's one of important informations.

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

TM's father can tell that the voice didn't belong to his son. That's one of important informations.

rockin'robin · 05-19-2012, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Yes, Foxrac....I read that also....perhaps you missed it somewhere, but trust me, I read it also.

CrazyPaul · 05-19-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Read page 56 in Scribd. That proves that GZ was screaming for help, not TM. That will be used as evidence in court hopefully.

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Yes, Foxrac....I read that also....perhaps you missed it somewhere, but trust me, I read it also.

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Read page 56 in Scribd. That proves that GZ was screaming for help, not TM. That will be used as evidence in court hopefully.

That's not what I was asking and I'm not point about ask for help.

I asked you about where is source that you EXACTLY typed like that in bold.

Look in bold...

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

So you are saying that TM confronted him later (second confrontation) before the attack. Right?

During the second confrontation:

TM; "Do you have a problem?"
GZ; "No"
TM; "Well, now you do."
BAM! POW! WHAM!
TM; "You are going to die tonight."
BAM! POW! WHAM!
GZ; "HELP HELP HELP!"

To be continued...

CrazyPaul · 05-19-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

That's not what I was asking and I'm not point about ask for help.

I asked you about where is source that you EXACTLY typed like that in bold.

Look in bold...

George Zimmerman's father claims Trayvon Martin beat his son, threatened his life | Fox News

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

George Zimmerman's father claims Trayvon Martin beat his son, threatened his life | Fox News

Robert Zimmerman's claim sounds too fishy and we don't know about what Trayvon Martin was exactly said. That's just all about effects. All of evidences should clear during trial.

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"After nearly a minute of being beaten, George was trying to get his head off the concrete, trying to move with Trayvon on him, in the grass. In doing so, his firearm was shown. Trayvon Martin said something to the effect of, 'You're going to die now,' or 'You're going to die tonight' or something to that effect," Robert Zimmerman said.

No doubt about Robert Zimmerman defend his son and he's just want his son to clear all charges, even manslaughter.

I think that likely for George Zimmerman to be charged with manslaughter instead of second degree murder, unless prosecutor present a sufficient evidences.

CrazyPaul · 05-19-2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Robert Zimmerman's claim sounds too fishy and we don't know about what Trayvon Martin was exactly said. That's just all about effects. All of evidences should clear during trial.

No doubt about Robert Zimmerman defend his son and he's just want his son to clear all charges, even manslaughter.

I think that likely for George Zimmerman to be charged with manslaughter instead of second degree murder, unless prosecutor present a sufficient evidences.

No, GZ told police, his father and brother what really happened. His father and brother DIDN'T make it up. I don't ****ing care if you don't believe them.

I can easily find black violences in YouTube to prove that TM was violent as well.

If a person beat you up very badly and you don't have a gun or another kind of weapon to defend yourself, you could DIE. Don't you know that?

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

No, GZ told police, his father and brother what really happened. His father and brother DIDN'T make it up. I don't ****ing care if you don't believe them.

I can easily find black violences in YouTube to prove that TM was violent as well.

Well, the court could disagree with you and sometime, the stories about murder are mixed up so that why we have trial to clear it up.

You need wait until trial in the court.

Lastly, you are racist because you made judge based on race color. All races, white, black, Latino and Asians can be violent, not just black only. Trayvon Martin wasn't regressive violent, though.

CrazyPaul · 05-19-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Well, the court could disagree with you and sometime, the stories about murder are mixed up so that why we have trial to clear it up.

You need wait until trial in the court.

I read that there may not be a trial until next year and also GZ's lawyer wants the case dismissed after he shows all evidences to the judge during a "mini-trial" without the jury. If the judge approves his motion, then we may never see a trial but the prosecutor can appeal if she wants to.

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

I read that there may not be a trial until next year and also GZ's lawyer wants the case dismissed after he shows all evidences to the judge during a "mini-trial" without the jury.

The trial date hasn't set yet and George Zimmerman will have court hearing on August 8.
Zimmerman’s next court date will be Aug. 8 - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

Good luck with Zimmerman's lawyer who want case to dismissed so I doubt that will happen and we wants him to have trial in the court.

CrazyPaul · 05-19-2012, 10:39 PM

I found the source to support my previous post.

Quote from Evidence shows violent confrontation between Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin before shooting | wwltv.com New Orleans

Zimmerman and his attorney will have two more chances to invoke the "Stand Your Ground" law. First, they will try to convince a judge during what will be a mini-trial. If the judge agrees, the charges will be dropped although prosecutors could appeal. That is likely months away. If the judge rejects the claim, Zimmerman could they try to convince the jury and win an acquittal. A trial is unlikely to start before next year. Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, didn't return a phone call seeking comment Thursday.

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

I found the source to support my previous post.

Quote from Evidence shows violent confrontation between Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin before shooting | wwltv.com New Orleans

Zimmerman and his attorney will have two more chances to invoke the "Stand Your Ground" law. First, they will try to convince a judge during what will be a mini-trial. If the judge agrees, the charges will be dropped although prosecutors could appeal. That is likely months away. If the judge rejects the claim, Zimmerman could they try to convince the jury and win an acquittal. A trial is unlikely to start before next year. Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, didn't return a phone call seeking comment Thursday.

Good Luck to George Zimmerman, anyway.

CrazyPaul · 05-19-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

The trial date hasn't set yet and George Zimmerman will have court hearing on August 8.
Zimmerman’s next court date will be Aug. 8 - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

The defense lawyer filed motions requesting a continuance and waiving his client's right to a speedy trial. So I think that's what next hearing will be about.

whatdidyousay! · 05-19-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Can you read???

The dispatcher asked him the FIRST question "Are you following him?". He answered yes and THEN he was told that he doesn't need to do that. He replied "OK". So it's possible that he stopped following TM AFTERWARD. Did the dispatcher ask him again if he is still following him or not after that? If not, then how do you know that GZ continued following him?

Hello!! TM is dead so GZ did not stop following him, he got out of his car and according to GZ he when looking for TM and TM 'surprised' GZ and 'attacked' him. I read in one report the cops are not sure when GZ got his nose broken that is could had been before he saw TM on the streets.

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

The defense lawyer filed motions requesting a continuance and waiving his client's right to a speedy trial. So I think that's what next hearing will be about.

It doesn't means Zimmerman will instantly acquitted, though.

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CrazyPaul Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,975	The prosecutor must prove somehow that GZ wasn't telling the truth. If they can't, he must be acquitted. Remember, the lead detective told the court at the bond hearing that he has no evidence of who started it. What's more, TM's father told the authorities that the recorded voice crying for help was not his son's.

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CrazyPaul Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,975	I found the source to support my previous post. Quote from Evidence shows violent confrontation between Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin before shooting \| wwltv.com New Orleans Zimmerman and his attorney will have two more chances to invoke the "Stand Your Ground" law. First, they will try to convince a judge during what will be a mini-trial. If the judge agrees, the charges will be dropped although prosecutors could appeal. That is likely months away. If the judge rejects the claim, Zimmerman could they try to convince the jury and win an acquittal. A trial is unlikely to start before next year. Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, didn't return a phone call seeking comment Thursday.