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**Reba** · 05-18-2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Ok, how can you found anyone who burglarized your home and ran away?

There was no way to find them. They were probably kids and had no fingerprints on record.

Believe me, the police don't bring in CSI for simple home burglaries.

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My suggestion is just unfortunate and there is no 100% prevention.

Yep. I like to be safe but I don't want to live in a prison.

**Reba** · 05-18-2012, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Transcript of 911 call. what did you think why dispatcher told him "we do not need you to do that."

That just tells us what the dispatcher said. That doesn't tell us what Zimmerman did.

**Jiro** · 05-18-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

That just tells us what the dispatcher said. That doesn't tell us what Zimmerman did.

I don't really know what you're trying to get at. this is very simple.

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911 dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]
911 dispatcher: OK. We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]
Zimmerman: OK. [2:28]

Zimmerman told dispatcher that Trayvon was running and dispatcher asked him if he was following him. Zimmerman said yes. so.... clearly - Zimmerman was following/pursuing/chasing him. a serious error in his judgment.

kokonut · 05-18-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

That just tells us what the dispatcher said. That doesn't tell us what Zimmerman did.

But of course.

whatdidyousay! · 05-18-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Ok. But we still don't know the facts surrounding GZ on when the gun was first drawn or whether it was made known (e.g. flashing, for example) to Trayvon at any point during the encounter prior to killing him. The gun may have been tucked away sight unseen until both were on the ground if that actually happened. We simply don't have the info with us to ascertain that.

I read in a report that said if Zimmerman had stayed in his car and waited for the cops none of this would had happen! I been saying this all along too! When 3 young men tried to go break into my apartment I when after them with a huge kitchen knife! I was not going to let the guys near my baby! It would had be to over my dead body ! I will almost bet that Trayvon did see Zimmerman's gun and tried to knock Zimmerman out before he shot him. Why else would Trayvon been fighting for his live??? Trayvon did what any sane person would had done!

kokonut · 05-18-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

I read in a report that said if Zimmerman had stayed in his car and waited for the cops none of this would had happen! I been saying this all along too! When 3 young men tried to go break into my apartment I when after them with a huge kitchen knife! I was not going to let the guys near my baby! It would had be to over my dead body ! I will almost bet that Trayvon did see Zimmerman's gun and tried to knock Zimmerman out before he shot him. Why else would Trayvon been fighting for his live??? Trayvon did what any sane person would had done!

Yes, he should've stayed in the car but that's hindsight. We don't know the full circumstances or exactly what the situation was like or how it unfolded up to the point when the gun discharged.

whatdidyousay! · 05-18-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Yes, he should've stayed in the car but that's hindsight. We don't know the full circumstances or exactly what the situation was like or how it unfolded up to the point when the gun discharged.

We'll never know what really happen as Trayvon is no longer alive and Zimmerman had been caught lying already about how old he thought Trayvon
was. So I can't believe anything Zimmerman said!

**Foxrac** · 05-18-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

There was no way to find them. They were probably kids and had no fingerprints on record.

Believe me, the police don't bring in CSI for simple home burglaries.

Yep. I like to be safe but I don't want to live in a prison.

Yup, I don't want live in prison.

Hear about Beyond Scared Straight? Pretty scary shows and I had seen about state prison in SC on TV. It is so depressed and ugly place to live.

**Reba** · 05-18-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I don't really know what you're trying to get at. this is very simple.

Zimmerman told dispatcher that Trayvon was running and dispatcher asked him if he was following him. Zimmerman said yes. so.... clearly - Zimmerman was following/pursuing/chasing him. a serious error in his judgment.

Following is not the same as pursuing or chasing. It tells us nothing about Zimmerman's actions. It only records what he says, not what he does.

It will all come out at the trial.

**Reba** · 05-18-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Yup, I don't want live in prison.

Hear about Beyond Scared Straight? Pretty scary shows and I had seen about state prison in SC on TV. It is so depressed and ugly place to live.

I meant that I don't want to make my home like a prison.

CrazyPaul · 05-18-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

I read in a report that said if Zimmerman had stayed in his car and waited for the cops none of this would had happen! I been saying this all along too! When 3 young men tried to go break into my apartment I when after them with a huge kitchen knife! I was not going to let the guys near my baby! It would had be to over my dead body ! I will almost bet that Trayvon did see Zimmerman's gun and tried to knock Zimmerman out before he shot him. Why else would Trayvon been fighting for his live??? Trayvon did what any sane person would had done!

Or TM confronted/assaulted GZ who fought for his life.

**Foxrac** · 05-18-2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I meant that I don't want to make my home like a prison.

You means that prison is safer than home?

**Foxrac** · 05-18-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Or TM confronted/assaulted GZ who fought for his life.

No, Trayvon Martin didn't confront at first place.

CrazyPaul · 05-18-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

did you miss the part where Zimmerman told the police that his mouth was covered?

Obviously TM put his hand on GZ's mouth to shut him up when GZ was screaming "HELP".

CrazyPaul · 05-18-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

No, Trayvon Martin didn't confront at first place.

So you are saying that TM confronted him later (second confrontation) before the attack. Right?

During the second confrontation:

TM; "Do you have a problem?"
GZ; "No"
TM; "Well, now you do."
BAM! POW! WHAM!
TM; "You are going to die tonight."
BAM! POW! WHAM!
GZ; "HELP HELP HELP!"

To be continued...

**Foxrac** · 05-18-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

So you are saying that TM confronted him later (second confrontation) before the attack. Right?

Who started confront? George Zimmerman...

There is no such as second confrontation because confrontation always come in first.

George Zimmerman got out of car then following/pursuing/chasing and confront at Trayvon Martin before Martin start attacks.

CrazyPaul · 05-18-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Who started confront? George Zimmerman...

There is no such as second confrontation because confrontation always come in first.

George Zimmerman got out of car then following/pursuing/chasing and confront at Trayvon Martin before Martin start attacks.

There can be many confrontations at different times and different locations. For example, a first confrontation happened near TM's father's fiancee's condo around 8:10 pm and then a second confrontation happened near GZ's car around 8:30 pm. (I am not sure about exact times/locations but it's just an example.)

**Foxrac** · 05-18-2012, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

There can be many confrontations at different times and different locations. For example, a first confrontation happened near TM's father's fiancee's condo around 8:10 pm and then a second confrontation happened near GZ's car around 8:30 pm. (I am not sure about exact times/locations but it's just an example.)

That why all of situations should be addressed during trial and there are no camera video about how about Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman are exactly doing. George Zimmerman is just tell a story about what happened, along with some witnesses and Trayvon Martin already died.

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sara1981 · 05-18-2012, 11:34 PM

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**Reba** · 05-19-2012, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

You means that prison is safer than home?

I mean I don't want my home to look like or feel like a prison. I don't want security towers, guard dogs, bars on the windows and doors, concertina-wire on tall fences, armed guards, etc.

Like this says:

Ways to Make Your House Safer without It Feeling like A Jail

**Jiro** · 05-19-2012, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Following is not the same as pursuing or chasing. It tells us nothing about Zimmerman's actions. It only records what he says, not what he does.

It will all come out at the trial.

the fact still remains that he got out of his car to follow him. all recorded in 911 tape including his intention and action.

**Jiro** · 05-19-2012, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Obviously TM put his hand on GZ's mouth to shut him up when GZ was screaming "HELP".

then how is it that a scream - "help!" was audible enough to be recorded? if a hand was covering your mouth, it would be muffled.

**Jiro** · 05-19-2012, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Yes, he should've stayed in the car but that's hindsight. We don't know the full circumstances or exactly what the situation was like or how it unfolded up to the point when the gun discharged.

yes we do already know. he already gave his testimony to detective/officer.

ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Tra

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George Zimmerman told investigators that while he was on the phone with a Sanford police dispatcher reporting Trayvon Martin as suspicious, the teenager was circling his vehicle on foot, a source familiar with the investigation told the Orlando Sentinel.

The source said Zimmerman's account of events hasn't changed in his several statements to police — in which he said he was so unnerved by the teen's behavior that he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation. However, he never mentioned any of that while talking to the dispatcher.

The details revealed by the source provide new insight into what Zimmerman said happened in the earliest moments of his contact with Trayvon. And they may reveal the inconsistencies alluded to by prosecutors in the case.

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon.

The Sentinel's source confirmed that Zimmerman's statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.

kokonut · 05-19-2012, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

We'll never know what really happen as Trayvon is no longer alive and Zimmerman had been caught lying already about how old he thought Trayvon
was. So I can't believe anything Zimmerman said!

I'm sure the full detail on exactly how the event unfolded will be revealed in due time and give us a better picture on what took place and who is telling the truth.

CrazyPaul · 05-19-2012, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

then how is it that a scream - "help!" was audible enough to be recorded? if a hand was covering your mouth, it would be muffled.

Let me clarify it. AFTER GZ screamed for help several times when he was attacked by TM, his mouth was covered by TM's hand to shut him up because he didn't want neighbors' attention but it was too late since the scream was already heard by neighbors. Plain and simple. It makes alot of sense. You will hear that story along with medical reports from GZ's lawyer during a trial.

**Jiro** · 05-19-2012, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Let me clarify it. AFTER GZ screamed for help several times when he was attacked by TM, his mouth was covered by TM's hand to shut him up because he didn't want neighbors' attention but it was too late since the scream was already heard by neighbors. Plain and simple. It makes alot of sense. You will hear that story along with medical reports from GZ's lawyer during a trial.

but..... FBI, police, and experts have not been able to conclude that the scream was Zimmerman. In fact.... the witness later stated that he/she does not know exactly who screamed for help.

and that is a fact.

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

So you are saying that TM confronted him later (second confrontation) before the attack. Right?

During the second confrontation:

TM; "Do you have a problem?"
GZ; "No"
TM; "Well, now you do."
BAM! POW! WHAM!
TM; "You are going to die tonight."
BAM! POW! WHAM!
GZ; "HELP HELP HELP!"

To be continued...

You edited your post so where is source that you used transcript about between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

**Reba** · 05-19-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

the fact still remains that he got out of his car to follow him. all recorded in 911 tape including his intention and action.

Intentions and actions can't be recorded on an audio tape.

**Reba** · 05-19-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Let me clarify it. AFTER GZ screamed for help several times when he was attacked by TM, his mouth was covered by TM's hand to shut him up because he didn't want neighbors' attention but it was too late since the scream was already heard by neighbors. Plain and simple. It makes alot of sense. You will hear that story along with medical reports from GZ's lawyer during a trial.

Seems logical.

**Reba** · 05-19-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

but..... FBI, police, and experts have not been able to conclude that the scream was Zimmerman. In fact.... the witness later stated that he/she does not know exactly who screamed for help.

and that is a fact.

It will probably be a battle of the expert witnesses for that question.

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