ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Tra - Page 7

CrazyPaul · 05-18-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Read the official police report.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactiv...immerman-case/

Did you read all of them, 183 pages?

Steinhauer · 05-18-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

for proving my point that you're still making this a racist issue. for the past several weeks, I haven't heard much about Zimmerman being racist in the news. you are only the one who are still frothing all over on this so I don't know where you're getting this kind of news. stormfront forum?

I've already repeatedly stated that I do not believe Zimmerman is racist and I don't believe he will get charged with hate crime. My stance is that Zimmerman had made a series of erroneous judgments that led to Trayvon's death. completely avoidable.

Ok, you seem to still think my post was directed at you. Apparently, you did not read very carefully as I had asked. I did not say you made this into a racist circus, I said the media did. Also, I did not make this into a racist circus, the media did.

You seem to want to dispute that there was any racism involved in how this story first broke. That is completely your problem. While the rest of the free world can see the obvious attempts made by the media to turn this into a racist issue, when it absolutely was not, the only issue you are attempting to grasp at, is blasting those who comment on noticing it.

And FYI, if the prosecutor is still attempting to claim Zimmerman was profiling Trayvon, then no, that issue has not been dropped as you have claimed. It is still on the table. Ignoring it, and blasting those who notice it, is not going to make that heinous and ugly stain go away.

**Foxrac** · 05-18-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Because of deductible, the insurance didn't cover anything. Also, some things, like my engraved sterling silver baby set I had been given by relatives when I was born, and I passed down to my daughter, were irreplaceable. They probably ended up melted down for the silver.

We had a fenced in back yard, and a Labrador retriever. I wouldn't want vicious dogs on my property.

Ok, how can you found anyone who burglarized your home and ran away?

My suggestion is just unfortunate and there is no 100% prevention.

**Jiro** · 05-18-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

TM confronted GZ and beat him up so GZ shot him in self-defense. There were two witnesses who saw TM beating GZ up on the ground and heard GZ screaming "HELP". Why would the witnesses lie?

did you miss the part where Zimmerman told the police that his mouth was covered?

**Jiro** · 05-18-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

This is a misconception that only official members of official groups can watch out for their neighbors. Any resident or even passerby who spots something dangerous or suspicious can contact the police, jot down license plate numbers, and question (not detain) someone. Especially if you see something dangerous happening like the abduction of a child or the rape of a woman are you going to wait for the police before you take action?

I thought I explained already in other thread. There's a difference between "suspicious activity" and crime in progress.

Common sense. c'mon. You shouldn't be asking me that kind of silly question. Either a crime did happen or it didn't. You should never confront a person if crime never happened or you'll risk a massive legal headache and possibly a consequence where people will get hurt.

As police said.... Trayvon Martin never committed any crime.... therefore a capias was issued against Zimmerman for his arrest.

**Jiro** · 05-18-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Ok, you seem to still think my post was directed at you. Apparently, you did not read very carefully as I had asked. I did not say you made this into a racist circus, I said the media did. Also, I did not make this into a racist circus, the media did.

You seem to want to dispute that there was any racism involved in how this story first broke. That is completely your problem. While the rest of the free world can see the obvious attempts made by the media to turn this into a racist issue, when it absolutely was not, the only issue you are attempting to grasp at, is blasting those who comment on noticing it.

in case you didn't know.... few months have already passed. nobody is making this a racist issue anymore because details have shown that he isn't racist. medias were wrong and they moved on to something else. Reverend Jackson finally stfu.

but you haven't moved on yet.

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

And FYI, if the prosecutor is still attempting to claim Zimmerman was profiling Trayvon, then no, that issue has not been dropped as you have claimed. It is still on the table. Ignoring it, and blasting those who notice it, is not going to make that heinous and ugly stain go away.

he profiled Trayvon the same way that police profiled suspicious people. you know... what LAPD and NYPD officers do on regular basis.

if he's found guilty of profiling.... that's going to be very problematic for future cases regarding profiling by police but I doubt this will happen.

**Jiro** · 05-18-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

A proven fact? Or just your opinion?

Where did Zimmerman say that he got out of his car in order to pursue Martin?

Transcript of 911 call. what did you think why dispatcher told him "we do not need you to do that."

kokonut · 05-18-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Did you read all of them, 183 pages?

Well, not all of it. But on page 93 on the witness page report I found something interesting:

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"After I completed the statement, I cried and told him, I'll never forget the cries for help and wish I could have helped. And the investigator by the name of Chris told me 'If it makes you feel any better the crys for help were not the person that died and your statement was the same as the other witnesses.' "

**Jiro** · 05-18-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Well, not all of it. But on page 93 on the witness page report I found something interesting:

witness testimony has been always proven unreliable. the fact still remains that not a single witness saw the incident. only after Trayvon got shot.

**Jiro** · 05-18-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Did you read all of them, 183 pages?

I actually did but I was disappointed. I was hoping there would be autopsy report or somewhere that would explain the angle of bullet trajectory but it didn't.

if it's angled, it would bolster Zimmerman's self-defense claim.
if it's straight, it would bolster Corey's claim.

kokonut · 05-18-2012, 12:43 PM

Also, CrazyPaul, the same thing was repeated by another witness on page 99 about the cries for help who wrote:

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"Detective Cris reply was, if it makes you feel any better the cries for were not the person who died."

Interesting.

kokonut · 05-18-2012, 01:00 PM

Again on page 101 repeated that a Detective also told the same witness that it was GZ who was the one yelling for help.

CrazyPaul · 05-18-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

witness testimony has been always proven unreliable.

What?

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Originally Posted by Jiro

the fact still remains that not a single witness saw the incident. only after Trayvon got shot.

There were two witnesses who saw TM beating GZ up on the ground before the shooting. I believe one of the witnesses is a kid.

**TXgolfer** · 05-18-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

No, George Zimmermna confronted Trayvon Martin in first place after followed after Trayvon Martin.

It is ultimately avoidable if George Zimmerman stays in car.

"Confronted" ???? You sure?

**TXgolfer** · 05-18-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I thought I explained already in other thread. There's a difference between "suspicious activity" and crime in progress.

Common sense. c'mon. You shouldn't be asking me that kind of silly question. Either a crime did happen or it didn't. You should never confront a person if crime never happened or you'll risk a massive legal headache and possibly a consequence where people will get hurt.

As police said.... Trayvon Martin never committed any crime.... therefore a capias was issued against Zimmerman for his arrest.

I doubt approaching someone and saying "hi, can I help you with something" would cause much of a "legal headache"

**Foxrac** · 05-18-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

"Confronted" ???? You sure?

Why are you ask those question?

Reba already addressed it.
ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Tra

**TXgolfer** · 05-18-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Why are you ask those question?

Reba already addressed it.
ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Tra

Not really....I am asking a different question?

**Foxrac** · 05-18-2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Not really....I am asking a different question?

I'm not going answer your silly question.

Steinhauer · 05-18-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

in case you didn't know.... few months have already passed. nobody is making this a racist issue anymore because details have shown that he isn't racist. medias were wrong and they moved on to something else. Reverend Jackson finally stfu.

but you haven't moved on yet.

he profiled Trayvon the same way that police profiled suspicious people. you know... what LAPD and NYPD officers do on regular basis.

if he's found guilty of profiling.... that's going to be very problematic for future cases regarding profiling by police but I doubt this will happen.

Ok, so you finally admitted that this isn't a racist issue (which is exactly what I was pointing out, and what you had disputed).

And yes, months have gone by, and the racist accusations continue .... keep trying to pin it on me and you keep making yourself look very foolish:

Witness Claims George Zimmerman Bullied Him, Made Racist Jokes | News | BET

released today ..

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/201...ts/?hpt=pm_mid

released last week ...

**Jiro** · 05-18-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Ok, so you finally admitted that this isn't a racist issue (which is exactly what I was pointing out, and what you had disputed).

And yes, months have gone by, and the racist accusations continue .... keep trying to pin it on me and you keep making yourself look very foolish:

Witness Claims George Zimmerman Bullied Him, Made Racist Jokes | News | BET

released today ..

Mark NeJame on new Zimmerman family photo: "He really has significant multiracial, multicultural roots" – Piers Morgan - CNN.com Blogs

released last week ...

huh? did you forget this already - Trayvon Case Investigation

I've repeatedly asked you to show me where I've said he's racist and you never did. and still.... you keep saying I said he's racist or I made this a racial issue. you've never ever, for once, proved that I've said such thing.

You are confusing yourself. You are making this a racial issue, not me. YOU

Steinhauer · 05-18-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

huh? did you forget this already - Trayvon Case Investigation

I've repeatedly asked you to show me where I've said he's racist and you never did. and still.... you keep saying I said he's racist or I made this a racial issue. you've never ever, for once, proved that I've said such thing.

You are confusing yourself. You are making this a racial issue, not me. YOU

You are confusing yourself, I already explained that THE MEDIA is making this a racial issue. Not me, not you. You have gone beyond the realm of looking foolish.

Stay focused.

**Jiro** · 05-18-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

You are confusing yourself, I already explained that THE MEDIA is making this a racial issue. Not me, not you. You have gone beyond the realm of looking foolish.

Stay focused.

oye... ok let me help you then.

1. You are repeatedly stating your argument that this whole Zimmerman farce is all about racism.
2. You are the only person in here using a race card - yes by repeatedly bringing up the point about Zimmerman being racist.
3. You are using media to reinforce your argument.
4. All major news have already stopped using race card and moved on somewhere else. You haven't moved on yet.

so..... are you going to answer my question or not? in case you forget what am I asking for.... show me exactly where I said Zimmerman is racist.

**saywhatkid** · 05-18-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

What we need is a detailed timeline presented by the court based on police reports and witnesses accounts along with any corroborating evidence that can help tie together the timeline.

You mean, like a trial?

**saywhatkid** · 05-18-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

You are confusing yourself. You are making this a racial issue, not me. YOU

Seems to be the only angle he is working. It becomes more obvious with every post where his attention is focused; the African-American community's response. Got that Stars and Bars flying?

**Jiro** · 05-18-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Seems to be the only angle he is working. It becomes more obvious with every post where his attention is focused; the African-American community's response. Got that Stars and Bars flying?

rockin'robin · 05-18-2012, 03:46 PM

What's Racist?....

**TXgolfer** · 05-18-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I'm not going answer your silly question.

*shrug*. Okaaaay. But "confronted" was your word choice....not mine

**Foxrac** · 05-18-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

*shrug*. Okaaaay. But "confronted" was your word choice....not mine

Yup, what's your point?

sara1981 · 05-18-2012, 04:30 PM

More details emerge in Trayvon Martin investigation
More details emerge in Trayvon Martin investigation - CNN.com

What happened the night Trayvon Martin died
What happened the night Trayvon Martin died - CNN.com

Zimmerman atty: Don't judge by "piecemeal" evidence
Zimmerman atty: Don't judge by "piecemeal" evidence - CBS News

Trayvon Martin Shooting: New evidence shows wounds on Zimmerman's head, THC found in Martin's body
Trayvon Martin Shooting: New evidence shows wounds on Zimmerman's head, THC found in Martin's body - Crimesider - CBS News

we will kept update this story

kokonut · 05-18-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

You mean, like a trial?

Yah, we'll have to wait and see what they say.

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