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**Jiro** · 05-16-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

The quote fro CNN is "E.R. personnel", which is totally false. GZ was seen by the EMS service. If you don't know the difference, let me know and I will explain.

Also, when you or I or anyone else goes to the E.R., you are already in the hospital. So the E.R. never sent someone "to the hospital", the person is already there.

I still have no idea what are you talking about or why are you talking about this because that wasn't even close to what I was talking about at all. not even by a mile.

in case you're confused... Zimmerman never went to E.R. or hospital. He went to see his family doctor.

rolling7 · 05-16-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I still have no idea what are you talking about or why are you talking about this because that wasn't even close to what I was talking about at all. not even by a mile.

in case you're confused... Zimmerman never went to E.R. or hospital. He went to see his family doctor.

for proving my point that CNN made a false report and you fell for it.

**Jiro** · 05-16-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

for proving my point that CNN made a false report and you fell for it.

where? what report? what are you even talking about anyway?

and I see that you are basically proving my point that this thread cannot even be discussed in a civilized, intellectual manner. You resorted to some child play and childish trickery.

rolling7 · 05-16-2012, 02:49 PM

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where? what report? what are you even talking about anyway?

and I see that you are basically proving my point that this thread cannot even be discussed in a civilized, intellectual manner. You resorted to some child play and childish trickery.

See post #16. Seems like you can't even understand your own post.

**Jiro** · 05-16-2012, 02:59 PM

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See post #16.

yea and.......................?

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Seems like you can't even understand your own post.

I find it quite comical that whatever you type up is coherent to you therefore if I must be an idiot for not understanding your post

**Foxrac** · 05-16-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

The quote fro CNN is "E.R. personnel", which is totally false. GZ was seen by the EMS service. If you don't know the difference, let me know and I will explain.

Also, when you or I or anyone else goes to the E.R., you are already in the hospital. So the E.R. never sent someone "to the hospital", the person is already there.

Where is source that CNN falsely mention about ER personannel?

**saywhatkid** · 05-16-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

as I said.... if I recalled correctly, it's against AD rules to create another thread of same topic that has been locked a few times.

We better stop the Obama and CI threads, pronto!

New song, same dance partners.

**KristinaB** · 05-16-2012, 08:31 PM

This is almost like the phrase "Beating a dead horse".

kokonut · 05-16-2012, 09:20 PM

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The two agreed on one thing: we shouldn’t be jumping to any conclusions, especially not without taking a look at all the evidence in context.

O’Reilly And Trayvon Attorney Dissect Legal Impact Of Zimmerman’s Medical Records Showing Injuries | Mediaite

Exactly.

rolling7 · 05-16-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Where is source that CNN falsely mention about ER personannel?

Foxrac, look close to the quote in the upper 1/3 of post #16, you will see the words "E.R. personnel". Also look close for the words: "for him to go to the hospital".
Remember I said if you are in the E.R. you are already in the hospital.

Steinhauer · 05-16-2012, 11:09 PM

Hello, I am an old one here.

**Jiro** · 05-16-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

We better stop the Obama and CI threads, pronto!

New song, same dance partners.

different topic though. this one is a same topic - a continuance of locked threads.

Steinhauer · 05-16-2012, 11:24 PM

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Ok. But we still don't know the facts surrounding GZ on when the gun was first drawn or whether it was made known (e.g. flashing, for example) to Trayvon at any point during the encounter prior to killing him. The gun may have been tucked away sight unseen until both were on the ground if that actually happened. We simply don't have the info with us to ascertain that.

We would certainly have a clue as to where the gun was by the type of holster Zimmerman was wearing. Was it an IWB holster? Small of the back?

**Reba** · 05-16-2012, 11:30 PM

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We would certainly have a clue as to where the gun was by the type of holster Zimmerman was wearing. Was it an IWB holster? Small of the back?

Good point.

This is all I found, so far:

"An officer found his weapon, a black Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm semi-automatic pistol, in a holster placed on his waistband."

George Zimmerman's Gun: A Popular Choice for Concealed Carry | NewsFeed | TIME.com

Not a lot of detail.

**Jiro** · 05-16-2012, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

We would certainly have a clue as to where the gun was by the type of holster Zimmerman was wearing. Was it an IWB holster? Small of the back?

it was IWB.

George Zimmerman's gun Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman's gun: a 9mm designed for self-defense - Orlando Sentinel

**TXgolfer** · 05-17-2012, 04:24 AM

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Like Jiro, I do not dispute that there was a struggle. I feel that Zimmerman tried to detain Travon. (illegally), and the kid fought back. He chased the kid after the 911 operator told him not to. That says a whole lot. Zimmerman had no business to confront the teen in the first place.

Actually, on the tape, the operator says "we don't need you to do that" and Zimmerman says "ok" And actually as a member of the neighborhood watch he has every right to approach someone he feels is suspicious. Kid walking around at night by himself in the rain would seem suspicious to me.

**TXgolfer** · 05-17-2012, 04:32 AM

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Quick questions. Do any of you guys think Zimmerman was in the right to get out of the car and confront Travon himself?? Even after 911 told him not to follow him??

Confront or approach??? That is the question. There is simply no evidence at this time that says Zimmerman approached Trayvon after the 911 call.

**Jiro** · 05-17-2012, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Actually, on the tape, the operator says "we don't need you to do that" and Zimmerman says "ok" And actually as a member of the neighborhood watch he has every right to approach someone he feels is suspicious. Kid walking around at night by himself in the rain would seem suspicious to me.

first of all... this so-called neighborhood watch was an unofficial program. unregistered as well. it's more like a wannabe, makeshift type.

and rule #1 of official neighborhood watch program is... "If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job". you are the eye and ear for police... nothing more. you do not and should not act on it.

so let's not kid ourselves in here... this is not even a real neighborhood watch program. a member of neighborhood watch is not the same as security guard. it's strongly discouraged. security guard and police officer are both hired and trained professionals whose job is to act on any suspicious activity within a premise. a member of neighborhood watch does not have that same privilege.

so I don't know where you're getting this idea of approaching a suspicious person. that is against the cardinal rule of neighborhood watch and it's strongly discouraged by law enforcement agency.

**Jiro** · 05-17-2012, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Confront or approach??? That is the question. There is simply no evidence at this time that says Zimmerman approached Trayvon after the 911 call.

yes there is. he told 911 dispatcher that he was chasing after him.

Babyblue · 05-17-2012, 05:56 AM

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Confront, since he approached with a loaded gun.

**Reba** · 05-17-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

first of all... this so-called neighborhood watch was an unofficial program. unregistered as well. it's more like a wannabe, makeshift type.

and rule #1 of official neighborhood watch program is... "If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job". you are the eye and ear for police... nothing more. you do not and should not act on it.

so let's not kid ourselves in here... this is not even a real neighborhood watch program. a member of neighborhood watch is not the same as security guard. it's strongly discouraged. security guard and police officer are both hired and trained professionals whose job is to act on any suspicious activity within a premise. a member of neighborhood watch does not have that same privilege.

so I don't know where you're getting this idea of approaching a suspicious person. that is against the cardinal rule of neighborhood watch and it's strongly discouraged by law enforcement agency.

Zimmerman was not acting in the capacity of a neighborhood watcher. He was simply a resident who was out on an errand who happened to see something suspicious. He was not out on a patrol of any kind.

**Reba** · 05-17-2012, 08:40 AM

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Confront, since he approached with a loaded gun.

Do you mean Zimmerman had gun in hand where Martin could see it? Or did Zimmerman call out to Martin, "Stop, I have a gun!"? I haven't read anything like that. Just having a gun in your waistband isn't a confrontation. Also, it's not necessary to even have a gun in order for an act to be considered a confrontation. Someone can confront another person with a fist, a club, a knife, or even words. The idea of confrontation is a threatening "in-your-face" action.

**Reba** · 05-17-2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes there is. he told 911 dispatcher that he was chasing after him.

Chasing? Running after Martin?

Babyblue · 05-17-2012, 08:44 AM

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Confront, since he approached with a loaded gun.

Do you mean Zimmerman had gun in hand where Martin could see it? Or did Zimmerman call out to Martin, "Stop, I have a gun!"? I haven't read anything like that. Just having a gun in your waistband isn't a confrontation. Also, it's not necessary to even have a gun in order for an act to be considered a confrontation. Someone can confront another person with a fist, a club, a knife, or even words. The idea of confrontation is a threatening "in-your-face" action.

Reba, he has a loaded gun. Period, that is what I said. Anything else, is what you are adding.....

kokonut · 05-17-2012, 10:07 AM

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Reba, he has a loaded gun. Period, that is what I said. Anything else, is what you are adding.....

That is the one thing we know. He had a loaded gun. Period. Reba isn't adding to anything. She's pointing out that we do not know the exact scenario on how the timeline went and what action was taken at a particular time and whether those actions are plausible according to evidence given in court. Reba isn't assuming anything. That's the whole idea on waiting until we see more corroborating evidences presented to the public.

**Foxrac** · 05-17-2012, 11:18 AM

U.S. News - Trayvon Martin killed by single gunshot fired from 'intermediate range,' autopsy shows

rolling7 · 05-17-2012, 12:12 PM

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Reba, he has a loaded gun. Period, that is what I said. Anything else, is what you are adding.....

No, that is not what you said in post #80. A policeman/woman has a loaded gun on the hip most of the day but 90% of the time there is no confrontation.
Your post #80 can be read to mean you think anytime a person has a loaded gun it is to confront.

**Foxrac** · 05-17-2012, 12:26 PM

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No, that is not what you said in post #80. A policeman/woman has a loaded gun on the hip most of the day but 90% of the time there is no confrontation.
Your post #80 can be read to mean you think anytime a person has a loaded gun it is to confront.

George Zimmerman isn't police officer, period.

**Foxrac** · 05-17-2012, 12:30 PM

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Foxrac, look close to the quote in the upper 1/3 of post #16, you will see the words "E.R. personnel". Also look close for the words: "for him to go to the hospital".
Remember I said if you are in the E.R. you are already in the hospital.

They refer ER personnel as staff who works EMS or ambulance.

That's not big deal.

Do you want me to stop read CNN news?

Babyblue · 05-17-2012, 01:00 PM

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Guess you guys don't get it. I have said my piece. You can chose to be ignorant or not.

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