ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Tra - Page 10

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

Hello!! TM is dead so GZ did not stop following him, he got out of his car and according to GZ he when looking for TM and TM 'surprised' GZ and 'attacked' him. I read in one report the cops are not sure when GZ got his nose broken that is could had been before he saw TM on the streets.

Yup, Martin died and we will never hear from him.

I think it is pointless to make kind of argument and we can wait for trial.

I doubt that Zimmerman's case will dismissed based on SYG law.

rockin'robin · 05-19-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

Hello!! TM is dead so GZ did not stop following him, he got out of his car and according to GZ he when looking for TM and TM 'surprised' GZ and 'attacked' him. I read in one report the cops are not sure when GZ got his nose broken that is could had been before he saw TM on the streets.

So....you're saying that TM "surprised" GZ and "attacked him"....Well, if somebody attacks me....I'm gonna do everything in my power not to get beat up or murdered....

And you're saying that GZ's nose "could have been" broken before the attack?....His nose was bleeding...so was the back of his head...Are you thinking that GZ broke his own nose, even did the damage to the back of his head?....Nah...

And also...TM had a cell phone...he could have called the Cops and said "somebody is following me"....but he chose to attack GZ instead of calling the Cops.

If, in fact, TM "attacked" GZ FIRST, then it's self-defense.

Due to all the home break-ins by black dudes in that neighborhood, GZ was a "concerned citizen"....I, too, would be very suspicious of any stranger around my neighborhood walking the streets at night....no matter what color they were....if there had been break-ins in my area.

**Foxrac** · 05-19-2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

So....you're saying that TM "surprised" GZ and "attacked him"....Well, if somebody attacks me....I'm gonna do everything in my power not to get beat up or murdered....

And you're saying that GZ's nose "could have been" broken before the attack?....His nose was bleeding...so was the back of his head...Are you thinking that GZ broke his own nose, even did the damage to the back of his head?....Nah...

And also...TM had a cell phone...he could have called the Cops and said "somebody is following me"....but he chose to attack GZ instead of calling the Cops.

If, in fact, TM "attacked" GZ FIRST, then it's self-defense.

Due to all the home break-ins by black dudes in that neighborhood, GZ was a "concerned citizen"....I, too, would be very suspicious of any stranger around my neighborhood walking the streets at night....no matter what color they were....if there had been break-ins in my area.

The case between Zimmerman and Martin are more complicated now so that why we wait for court. I still have sympathy for Trayvon Martin.

The burglary can be happened in any races but really sad about white neighbors would see black people in our neighborhood as suspicious due to racial profiling. The racial profiling is almost impossible to be prevented.

If someone attacks you without any confrontation so you will have rights to self defense.

rockin'robin · 05-20-2012, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

The case between Zimmerman and Martin are more complicated now so that why we wait for court. I still have sympathy for Trayvon Martin.

The burglary can be happened in any races but really sad about white neighbors would see black people in our neighborhood as suspicious due to racial profiling. The racial profiling is almost impossible to be prevented.

If someone attacks you without any confrontation so you will have rights to self defense.

we all have sympathy for Trayvon....a young life cut short....but we also have sympathy for Zimmerman, if he, in fact, was defending himself against an attack.

It's horrible for anybody to take someone else's life....to protect their own. But at times, it's necessary, unfortunate, yes, but necessary.

**Foxrac** · 05-20-2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

we all have sympathy for Trayvon....a young life cut short....but we also have sympathy for Zimmerman, if he, in fact, was defending himself against an attack.

It's horrible for anybody to take someone else's life....to protect their own. But at times, it's necessary, unfortunate, yes, but necessary.

I feel bad for Zimmerman because his life is already devastated and his future plan is ruined as well because he got kicked out from college, he is closer to complete the college degree in criminal justice, he lost the job, seriously suffered on media because of nationwide attention. If he is charged with manslaughter and I think it is felony, it means he will have extremely difficult to get a normal life because jobs don't want hire, the bank doesn't want open the account, landlord won't give apartment, except for support from family and possibly live with parent for rest of life. He won't able to vote for while until his rights is restored and he won't able to have a gun. I heard about state prison in Florida can be very scary because of no AC but please could you tell us about how state prison looks like in Florida.

Life with electronic device on ankle isn't fun at all.

I wish that Zimmerman should stay in car and wait for police so he won't lose his worthy life.

**Reba** · 05-20-2012, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

...I wish that Zimmerman should stay in car and wait for police so he won't lose his worthy life.

I agree.

rockin'robin · 05-20-2012, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I feel bad for Zimmerman because his life is already devastated and his future plan is ruined as well because he got kicked out from college, he is closer to complete the college degree in criminal justice, he lost the job, seriously suffered on media because of nationwide attention. If he is charged with manslaughter and I think it is felony, it means he will have extremely difficult to get a normal life because jobs don't want hire, the bank doesn't want open the account, landlord won't give apartment, except for support from family and possibly live with parent for rest of life. He won't able to vote for while until his rights is restored and he won't able to have a gun. I heard about state prison in Florida can be very scary because of no AC but please could you tell us about how state prison looks like in Florida.

Life with electronic device on ankle isn't fun at all.

I wish that Zimmerman should stay in car and wait for police so he won't lose his worthy life.

Foxrac, I have no idea what the inside of the State Prison looks like in Florida...I do know there is one in Starke, Florida, right outside of Jacksonville. (as I've never been in one, or visited one)....I imagine ALL State Prisons are terrible...but that's to be expected, as all types of criminals are in there....once you go to prison, they break you down and strip you of all your dignity....so many inmates that are released back into society....never recover and cannot live on the outside....they have a lot of issues, a lot of anger.

Many are raped and that, in itself, can permanently damage anyone. Even the medical care in prisons is lacking....

**Jiro** · 05-20-2012, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

But was Zimmerman in the car at the time he said he was following him? Did he get out of the car to specifically follow Martin, or do something else? Was he still in the act of following Martin at the time of the altercation or was he headed away from him?

The lawyers on both sides will be asking lots of questions to tear apart any assumptions.

Nothing is ever as cut and dry as one thinks in a criminal trial. Every tidbit of evidence and testimony with be picked at.

I just told you. I gave you a transcript. You have an access to a copy of 911 call. Feel free to listen to it and see it for yourself.

**Foxrac** · 05-20-2012, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Foxrac, I have no idea what the inside of the State Prison looks like in Florida...I do know there is one in Starke, Florida, right outside of Jacksonville. (as I've never been in one, or visited one)....I imagine ALL State Prisons are terrible...but that's to be expected, as all types of criminals are in there....once you go to prison, they break you down and strip you of all your dignity....so many inmates that are released back into society....never recover and cannot live on the outside....they have a lot of issues, a lot of anger.

Many are raped and that, in itself, can permanently damage anyone. Even the medical care in prisons is lacking....

Wow, that's so terrible.

The prisons in Alabama is much worse due to overcrowded - 190% capacity so you won't get bed, pillow, mattress, except for sleep on ugly hard concrete floor. There are no AC in all state prisons and you will have deal with heat during summer. Anyone with misdemeanor crime/non-violent crime goes to dorm with hundreds of metal bunkbed, if no leftover then sleep on floor and anyone with felony crime/violent crime goes in locked cell so pack 4-6 inmates in one cell that supposed to hold one person. I know some county prison have 6 inmates in one cell with only one bed.

Steinhauer · 05-20-2012, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Can you read???

The dispatcher asked him the FIRST question "Are you following him?". He answered yes and THEN he was told that he doesn't need to do that. He replied "OK". So it's possible that he stopped following TM AFTERWARD. Did the dispatcher ask him again if he is still following him or not after that? If not, then how do you know that GZ continued following him?

No, Jiro has proven time and again that he cannot read.

Steinhauer · 05-20-2012, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

FACT: Zimmerman was following Trayvon. He admitted that to dispatcher
FACT: We do not know what happens after he said "OK". It doesn't mean anything. He is either disregarding it or acknowledging it.
FACT: Zimmer instigated the situation by acting on it.
FACT: It was completely avoidable if Zimmerman remained in his car. Why would he get out of his car to follow him or whatsoever when he said that Trayvon was circling around his car, eyeballing him, and acting real suspicious or threatening with his hand in pocket?
FACT: Detective and Corey don't believe him.

Fact: Wolfinger found no evidence to prosecute Zimmerman and let him go.
Fact: People like you got their panties tied in a bunch and threatened to riot.
Fact: The media turned the whole situation into a racist one, thereby promoting public unrest.
Fact: Corey was appointed so charges would be pressed against Zimmerman to help calm down a frenzied, misled public.

**TXgolfer** · 05-20-2012, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

No, Trayvon Martin didn't confront at first place.

Proof?

**TXgolfer** · 05-20-2012, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

Hello!! TM is dead so GZ did not stop following him, he got out of his car and according to GZ he when looking for TM and TM 'surprised' GZ and 'attacked' him. I read in one report the cops are not sure when GZ got his nose broken that is could had been before he saw TM on the streets.

He might have.....we don't know that for sure yet...

**TXgolfer** · 05-20-2012, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I just told you. I gave you a transcript. You have an access to a copy of 911 call. Feel free to listen to it and see it for yourself.

911 call doesn't really answer those questions...

CrazyPaul · 05-20-2012, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

The burglary can be happened in any races but really sad about white neighbors would see black people in our neighborhood as suspicious due to racial profiling. The racial profiling is almost impossible to be prevented.

Don't blame white people for racial profiling. How come you don't blame the black woman who lives in that community for saying that the burglars in the past were young and black? She completely understood why GZ suspected that TM might be another burglar.

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

If someone attacks you without any confrontation so you will have rights to self defense.

You have rights to defend yourself when a person attacks you or confronts and attacks you. For example, a guy confronts you and asks you why you are talking to his girlfriend, then takes his big knife out of his jacket and attacks you so you have a right to defend yourself somehow.

**Foxrac** · 05-20-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Don't blame white people for racial profiling. How come you don't blame the black woman who lives in that community for saying that the burglars in the past were young and black? She completely understood why GZ suspected that TM might be another burglar.

You have rights to defend yourself when a person attacks you or confronts and attacks you. For example, a guy confronts you and asks you why you are talking to his girlfriend, then takes his big knife out of his jacket and attacks you so you have a right to defend yourself somehow.

That's NOT what my post was talking and the racial profiling is nature of behavior that majorities use that on minorities. You are really care about race color and defend on white people. Trayvon Martin is NOT suspect of burglary and he lives with his family in SAME neighborhood as George Zimmerman.

Your sentence says that I don't confront at first place - that's very different, if I did confront at first place so I know that I maybe get hurt and liable for doing like that. I already UNDERSTOOD about self defense and you won't in self defense if you want confront at first place. That's not include your property or car, though.

**Foxrac** · 05-20-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Proof?

What happened the night Trayvon Martin died - CNN.com

Jiro explains anything in old thread that got locked but other members, especially you disputed his claim so I'm not going argue with you like all way in other thread that where got locked. I rather to wait for trial in the court to rule it out the disputes.

I rather to took Jiro's words.

**saywhatkid** · 05-20-2012, 01:13 PM

So........what happened to focusing on the Zimmerman wounds? Lookie what we have here now...

**TXgolfer** · 05-20-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I rather to wait for trial in the court to rule it out the disputes.

I rather to took Jiro's words.

**TXgolfer** · 05-20-2012, 01:24 PM

I just thought everyone should know.....I just took the trash out down four flights of stairs. There was a guy I never met walking behind me down all four flights. I can't believe he confronted me this way.... I probably should have started bashing his head on the concrete but I just let it go. I'm off to the beach now. Aloha!

**Foxrac** · 05-20-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

What hell is wrong with you?

**saywhatkid** · 05-20-2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I just thought everyone should know.....I just took the trash out down four flights of stairs. There was a guy I never met walking behind me down all four flights. I can't believe he confronted me this way.... I probably should have started bashing his head on the concrete but I just let it go. I'm off to the beach now. Aloha!

Well, if you didn't like him, for any reason (color, sexual orientation, etc) you should have shot him to death and claimed self defense.

**Reba** · 05-20-2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I just told you. I gave you a transcript. You have an access to a copy of 911 call. Feel free to listen to it and see it for yourself.

That call didn't include information that will answer those questions. Maybe you're reading more into them than what's there.

You'll see what happens at the trial. Both sides can use the exact same recording and get two totally different interpretations of the events. It happens all the time.

**Foxrac** · 05-20-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I found Jiro's post to be most logical, even in this thread and old thread so that why I took his words, however all disputes should clear it up in the court.

If you don't have any words to say so you should move on instead of countless argument with me so your argument isn't change my stance. If you disagree with someone so please provide a full explanation instead of smiles.

I don't know about what are you talking after you insert smile only in your post.

**Jiro** · 05-20-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Fact: Wolfinger found no evidence to prosecute Zimmerman and let him go.

FACT: Wolfinger has had a history of incompetence

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Fact: People like you got their panties tied in a bunch and threatened to riot.
Fact: The media turned the whole situation into a racist one, thereby promoting public unrest.
Fact: Corey was appointed so charges would be pressed against Zimmerman to help calm down a frenzied, misled public.

source please?

**Jiro** · 05-20-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Don't blame white people for racial profiling. How come you don't blame the black woman who lives in that community for saying that the burglars in the past were young and black? She completely understood why GZ suspected that TM might be another burglar.

You have rights to defend yourself when a person attacks you or confronts and attacks you. For example, a guy confronts you and asks you why you are talking to his girlfriend, then takes his big knife out of his jacket and attacks you so you have a right to defend yourself somehow.

what you're saying..... it's...... illegal....

**Foxrac** · 05-20-2012, 06:03 PM

I had confrontation by other guy at Publix today and I went through to cashier area but one guy left all foods on cashier table while he went to aisle to got his snacks and soda so he see me as first line. He got angry and confronted at me so I can't hear about what he was saying. The cashier told him to get away from me and I just shrug off so cashier called manager to come in. The cashier explained to me about what happened with him. I was like oh my, what's wrong with crazy guy.

CrazyPaul · 05-20-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

what you're saying..... it's...... illegal....

CrazyPaul · 05-20-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Your sentence says that I don't confront at first place

What? Did I say that? Where?

**Reba** · 05-20-2012, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I had confrontation by other guy at Publix today and I went through to cashier area but one guy left all foods on cashier table while he went to aisle to got his snacks and soda so he see me as first line. He got angry and confronted at me so I can't hear about what he was saying. The cashier told him to get away from me and I just shrug off so cashier called manager to come in. The cashier explained to me about what happened with him. I was like oh my, what's wrong with crazy guy.

I'm glad nothing worse happened. Whew!

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