Supreme Court considers legality of Tasers

rockin'robin · 05-07-2012, 12:06 PM

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -
The Taser has been a controversial tool in policing since officers first used it. For instance, in 2007, police used the device on a disruptive University of Florida student who famously uttered the phrase, "Don't Tase me bro!"

Now, for the first time, the Supreme Court is taking up the issue and looking into whether or not the use of Tasers is excessive force and if law enforcement officers should have them.

According to Channel 4 records, since 2002, two people have died after a Jacksonville Sheriff's officer used a Taser on them. There have been seven deaths after a Taser was deployed involving law enforcement agencies in surrounding counties.

Community activist Eunice Barnum said it's about time someone looked into the high-electricity weapons.

"I personally know someone who was Tasered and was Tasered in his eye," Barnum said. "To this day he's still having difficulty with his eye."

Former police officer and FBI agent Dale Carson agrees.

"There are a lot of unwanted deaths in the deploying of Tasers and it's been a long question in my mind as to when the court would begin to address these issues," Carson said.

Now working as a lawyer, Carson said officers should be trained to use their voice and their minds to contain people. If their lives are threatened, he said that's when they have to use their guns.

"Oftentimes police officers will deploy a device instead of using their brain in figuring out a way to control an individual," Carson said. "You see this happening with children, the elderly, pregnant women."

Former officer and current Channel 4 crime and safety analyst Ken Jefferson said Tasers can really help when things get hairy.

"I think that Tasers are a great non-lethal weapon that police officers have in their continuum of force they can use," Jefferson said.

But, he said it's a good thing the justices will take a look at the issues at hand.

"It it's meant to be a non-lethal weapon and it's causing deaths and it's proven to cause deaths, it needs to be taken off the shelves," he said.

The case will be among many considered by the Supreme Court's nine justices at their May 24 conference. If at least four justices agree, the case will be added to the docket for the upcoming 2012 term.

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rolling7 · 05-07-2012, 02:48 PM

What's next???? Supreme Court considers legality of Glock ????
Supreme Court considers legality of nightstick ???

airportcop · 05-07-2012, 03:34 PM

I personally believe that Tasers are very safe if used properly. They have saved many officers as well as offenders lives. Taser has spent millions testing and proving them and have a huge host of medical systems and doctors behind them. I have been tased! It hurts but when you turn it off it is over. Sure people have died after being tased but that number is low and over exaggerated. People die because of drug use, heart problems and other medical issues not directly related to being tased. If tasers are taken away look for deaths to go up not down.

airportcop · 05-07-2012, 03:38 PM

The real answer here is don't do something that will cause the cops to be called. Then if they are don't fight them! Easy & simple!!! Take away the Taser and you just might find yourself shot when fighting the cops! People don't like pepper spray either but would you rather be hit by a nightstick which has been around for thousands of years?! Cops have to protect themselves and others from the violent people that live in our society these days that hate them. Bottom line is we/they have a dangerous and thankless job to do and just want to go home when their shift is over like everyone else! Cops have families and children. Cops are people too!

rolling7 · 05-07-2012, 03:49 PM

And some of the very best people too.

airportcop....check out P.I.P. (Positive Interaction Program), an organization here in Houston for interactions between the police and the citizens. We have a specific meeting just for the deaf. Two wonderful officers meet with a group of the deaf (usually 35 in attendance) with all questions taken, answered and all concerns addressed. They even got 17 VRIs installed at all the police Headquarters, sub-stations and airports of Houston to assist with interpretering. Just a great help for the deaf community of Houston.

**Jiro** · 05-07-2012, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling7

What's next???? Supreme Court considers legality of Glock ????
Supreme Court considers legality of nightstick ???

huh?

the whole purpose of taser is providing police officer a nonlethal weapon to safely disarm a non-compliant subject without endangering both officer's and subject's lives because gun is a lethal weapon.

apparently it isn't working well as originally thought. there has been a growing number of troubling cases where officers were quick to use taser that was not necessary and it's because officers want to purposely inflict maximum amount of pain equivalent to Rodney King beatdown.

the only difference between taser and baton is... no bruise. no broken bones.

I do believe taser is a great tool for police officers but I also do believe we need to reanalyze the use of taser.

**Jiro** · 05-07-2012, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airportcop

The real answer here is don't do something that will cause the cops to be called. Then if they are don't fight them! Easy & simple!!! Take away the Taser and you just might find yourself shot when fighting the cops! People don't like pepper spray either but would you rather be hit by a nightstick which has been around for thousands of years?! Cops have to protect themselves and others from the violent people that live in our society these days that hate them. Bottom line is we/they have a dangerous and thankless job to do and just want to go home when their shift is over like everyone else! Cops have families and children. Cops are people too!

America is a progressive modern country - culturally and socially. We get more sensitive to what we see in news. Because of that.... our methods and tools have to follow same. That's why our police officers do not pummel or shoot or beat or choke-hold subjects like a bunch of vicious Viking warriors. An angry-looking officer tasering a very stubborn, non-compliant subject repeatedly and he's screaming in pain. It does not look good in tv at all. It's just as bad as farmers mistreating and abusing cows with cattle prods at slaughterhouse.

How many times have we seen "shocking police videos" and say - "what the F??????" We should not be like those kind of police officers from other countries like South Africa, Saudi Arabia, India, or China. Ideally, we would want our police officers to "expertly" handle a violent situation as humanely and quickly as possible. In this modern country, it is definitely doable.

Even if police officers were in the right because a strong, non-compliant subject was high on PCP.... a prolonged, bloody struggle to arrest him does not look good in public and we question ourselves - could officers have done it better? Do they need to improve or learn an effective hand-to-hand combat training like Steven Seagal? Do we need to make a better version of taser like a stun baton in Demolition Man movie where it doesn't involve spastic movement and blood-curling screaming?

rolling7 · 05-07-2012, 05:26 PM

Apparently, there are members who don't watch COPS nor JAIL. On the shows the violators are shown refusing to submit to command by law enforcement. Because of the refusal, the officer(s) have to take physical action to subdue these violators. Yes, there are videos of officers going too far but there are many, many times that of violators resisting. Which would you rather believe, 1)a report or 2) a "live" video?

**Jiro** · 05-07-2012, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling7

Apparently, there are members who don't watch COPS nor JAIL. On the shows the violators are shown refusing to submit to command by law enforcement. Because of the refusal, the officer(s) have to take physical action to subdue these violators. Yes, there are videos of officers going too far but there are many, many times that of violators resisting.

that's the point. just because a subject was being violent doesn't mean police officers should respond in same manner - UFC style. that's why there are hand-to-hand combat trainings along with non-lethal tools to counteract subject's violence effectively and quickly. Israelis do this very well.

if an officer cannot effectuate an arrest effectively and professionally, then that person needs to consider a change in career. I certainly do not want an incompetent officer to be patrolling on street because that kind of person is most likely prone to carnal violence and policy violations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling7

Which would you rather believe, 1)a report or 2) a "live" video?

I'm referring to videos or in-person. see below for highlights in my previous post in case you may have missed it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

America is a progressive modern country - culturally and socially. We get more sensitive to what we see in news. Because of that.... our methods and tools have to follow same. That's why our police officers do not pummel or shoot or beat or choke-hold subjects like a bunch of vicious Viking warriors. An angry-looking officer tasering a very stubborn, non-compliant subject repeatedly and he's screaming in pain. It does not look good in tv at all. It's just as bad as farmers mistreating and abusing cows with cattle prods at slaughterhouse.

How many times have we seen "shocking police videos" and say - "what the F??????" We should not be like those kind of police officers from other countries like South Africa, Saudi Arabia, India, or China. Ideally, we would want our police officers to "expertly" handle a violent situation as humanely and quickly as possible. In this modern country, it is definitely doable.

Even if police officers were in the right because a strong, non-compliant subject was high on PCP.... a prolonged, bloody struggle to arrest him does not look good in public and we question ourselves - could officers have done it better? Do they need to improve or learn an effective hand-to-hand combat training like Steven Seagal? Do we need to make a better version of taser like a stun baton in Demolition Man movie where it doesn't involve spastic movement and blood-curling screaming?

**Foxrac** · 05-07-2012, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling7

What's next???? Supreme Court considers legality of Glock ????
Supreme Court considers legality of nightstick ???

Get a real and don't be silly, man.

**Foxrac** · 05-07-2012, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airportcop

I personally believe that Tasers are very safe if used properly. They have saved many officers as well as offenders lives. Taser has spent millions testing and proving them and have a huge host of medical systems and doctors behind them. I have been tased! It hurts but when you turn it off it is over. Sure people have died after being tased but that number is low and over exaggerated. People die because of drug use, heart problems and other medical issues not directly related to being tased. If tasers are taken away look for deaths to go up not down.

Yup, taser guns are less lethal than pistol, also police officers over the world, including Europe uses taser guns as primary weapon to take the suspected offenders down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by airportcop

The real answer here is don't do something that will cause the cops to be called. Then if they are don't fight them! Easy & simple!!! Take away the Taser and you just might find yourself shot when fighting the cops! People don't like pepper spray either but would you rather be hit by a nightstick which has been around for thousands of years?! Cops have to protect themselves and others from the violent people that live in our society these days that hate them. Bottom line is we/they have a dangerous and thankless job to do and just want to go home when their shift is over like everyone else! Cops have families and children. Cops are people too!

First, are you working as cop at airport?

I don't hate cops, however some polices are corrupted in some cities and they don't earn my respect if they abuse any suspicious whoever don't hostile toward cops. Back in December 31, 2006, I got pulled out by city police (in Chicago metro) and bang my body on car so hard after I tried ask for paper and pencil so whole situation went messed up due to miscommunication so they tested with breathalyzer and it turned to be negative with 0. I didn't drink any alcoholic beverages and I was heading to my workplace. My mood got destroyed because cops were very ruthless and make more difficult to trust with them. I never break any laws in my life. There are police raid in gay clubs for no reason, especially in Atlanta and make city looks bad.

Jiro made a good point and people do react differently to police, depending on situation and their experience.

If cops are corrupted or unprofessional so they are not going earn my respect.

My experience with sheriff and state police are very friendly and more professional than city police, however it is depends on location and I heard about some people got worst experience with state police.

rolling7 · 05-07-2012, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

that's the point. just because a subject was being violent doesn't mean police officers should respond in same manner - UFC style. that's why there are hand-to-hand combat trainings along with non-lethal tools to counteract subject's violence effectively and quickly. Israelis do this very well.

if an officer cannot effectuate an arrest effectively and professionally, then that person needs to consider a change in career. I certainly do not want an incompetent officer to be patrolling on street because that kind of person is most likely prone to carnal violence and policy violations.

I'm referring to videos or in-person. see below for highlights in my previous post in case you may have missed it.

Apparently, you missed the thousand of episodes of officers using real restrain.
All your post take a negative viewpoint of these officers all over America.

rolling7 · 05-07-2012, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxrac

Get a real and don't be silly, man.

I agree with you, the Supreme Court needs to get real and stop the silliness.

**Foxrac** · 05-07-2012, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling7

Apparently, there are members who don't watch COPS nor JAIL. On the shows the violators are shown refusing to submit to command by law enforcement. Because of the refusal, the officer(s) have to take physical action to subdue these violators. Yes, there are videos of officers going too far but there are many, many times that of violators resisting. Which would you rather believe, 1)a report or 2) a "live" video?

I'm big fan of Jail and Cops.

I think you should watch Beyond Scared Straight that where teens got scared when visit the jail. I support to expands the juvenile programs to make teens to visit the prison and learn the lesson to not break any laws.

My good friend works at state prison and he told me about how is experience at prison. The prisons are not fun place to stay.

**Foxrac** · 05-07-2012, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

America is a progressive modern country - culturally and socially. We get more sensitive to what we see in news. Because of that.... our methods and tools have to follow same. That's why our police officers do not pummel or shoot or beat or choke-hold subjects like a bunch of vicious Viking warriors. An angry-looking officer tasering a very stubborn, non-compliant subject repeatedly and he's screaming in pain. It does not look good in tv at all. It's just as bad as farmers mistreating and abusing cows with cattle prods at slaughterhouse.

How many times have we seen "shocking police videos" and say - "what the F??????" We should not be like those kind of police officers from other countries like South Africa, Saudi Arabia, India, or China. Ideally, we would want our police officers to "expertly" handle a violent situation as humanely and quickly as possible. In this modern country, it is definitely doable.

Even if police officers were in the right because a strong, non-compliant subject was high on PCP.... a prolonged, bloody struggle to arrest him does not look good in public and we question ourselves - could officers have done it better? Do they need to improve or learn an effective hand-to-hand combat training like Steven Seagal? Do we need to make a better version of taser like a stun baton in Demolition Man movie where it doesn't involve spastic movement and blood-curling screaming?

I heard about police unions are very nasty and it is impractical in Alabama because collective bargaining are illegal and it is up to city to make decision to set the police.

**Jiro** · 05-07-2012, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling7

Apparently, you missed the thousand of episodes of officers using real restrain.
All your post take a negative viewpoint of these officers all over America.

ok.

and apparently, you missed several of my sources that have investigated and concluded that cases of police misconduct and excessive force were widespread and problematic. something that GWB recognized and exercised with his federal power.

you should move on and specifically discuss about taser cases where it may have been misused or used against department policy. let's leave your agenda out of this thread. why must every simple discussion be very difficult? you need to let go and move on. focus focus focus!

rolling7 · 05-07-2012, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

ok.

and apparently, you missed several of my sources that have investigated and concluded that cases of police misconduct and excessive force were widespread and problematic. something that GWB recognized and exercised with his federal power.

And I have seen the videos and read the reports but what you are scared to admit to is that there are thousand more that recognize the officers acted with restrain and "by the book". As I stated before, your post IMO focus totally on the negative.

**Jiro** · 05-07-2012, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling7

And I have seen the videos and read the reports but what you are scared to admit to is that there are thousand more that recognize the officers acted with restrain and "by the book". As I stated before, your post IMO focus totally on the negative.

re-read Post #6 and #7 especially first sentence in third paragraph and #9. read it slowly and carefully. you will see that I ask how can our police officers do better? law enforcement agencies are always and constantly seeking for better methods and tools. why do you think how did taser come into existence?

by your logic - police officers should be perfectly fine with batons as long as they clobber people "by the book".

CrazyPaul · 05-07-2012, 08:05 PM

Imagine if a cop uses a taser on a CI user.

Anyway cops use tasers because they don't know how to kung-fu.

**Foxrac** · 05-07-2012, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Imagine if a cop uses a taser on a CI user.

Anyway cops use tasers because they don't know how to kung-fu.

I'm former CI user and not concerned about taser guns.

I think it rather to be less harmful than cause fatal.

airportcop · 05-07-2012, 08:14 PM

Jiro,

I tend to agree very much with rolling7! He tells the truth! Does it hurt you?! I know because I have been on the job for over 18 years!!! Police excessive use of force and brutality is a rare thing that gets the media attention every time! Why don't they show the cops using incredible restraint that occurs most all of the time?! Why, because it doesn't sell papers! Violence sells like horse crap for manure! Tasers have time & time again been proven safe and effective. The problem has not been as you report (over use) but one of it being used when lethal force should have been instead for officer and bystanders safety! Get real and get off the cops backs! Maybe you should thank a cop for what they do, but no that would not make sense! You might be embarrassed or scared since we are sooo intimidating and mean! I am sick to death of all this police brutality BS! That is what it mostly is! Sure some cops mess up just like you and I mess up. What, you're perfect?! Well excuse me!

Sorry for the rant but I had to get it out! The truth hurts doesn't it?! Think about what our society would be like without the police! Off my soapbox for now. How about a little positive news maybe?!

**Jiro** · 05-07-2012, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airportcop

Jiro,

I tend to agree very much with rolling7! He tells the truth! Does it hurt you?! I know because I have been on the job for over 18 years!!! Police excessive use of force and brutality is a rare thing that gets the media attention every time! Why don't they show the cops using incredible restraint that occurs most all of the time?! Why, because it doesn't sell papers! Violence sells like horse crap for manure! Tasers have time & time again been proven safe and effective. The problem has not been as you report (over use) but one of it being used when lethal force should have been instead for officer and bystanders safety! Get real and get off the cops backs! Maybe you should thank a cop for what they do, but no that would not make sense! You might be embarrassed or scared since we are sooo intimidating and mean! I am sick to death of all this police brutality BS! That is what it mostly is! Sure some cops mess up just like you and I mess up. What, you're perfect?! Well excuse me!

Sorry for the rant but I had to get it out! The truth hurts doesn't it?! Think about what our society would be like without the police! Off my soapbox for now. How about a little positive news maybe?!

where exactly did I say that all cops are bad? where did I say taser should be banned? did you not see the part where I asked if cops can do better?

Quote:

could officers have done it better? Do they need to improve or learn an effective hand-to-hand combat training like Steven Seagal? Do we need to make a better version of taser like a stun baton in Demolition Man movie where it doesn't involve spastic movement and blood-curling screaming?

that's not a negative tone. that's a progressive question... meaning it actually benefits you and all police officers since we're taxpayers and technology experts. we make tools for you in order to do your job better.

so what would you like to have in order to effectuate an arrest on non-compliant person resisting arrest? better hand-to-hand combat training? a better tool than taser? what?

**Foxrac** · 05-07-2012, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airportcop

Jiro,

I tend to agree very much with rolling7! He tells the truth! Does it hurt you?! I know because I have been on the job for over 18 years!!! Police excessive use of force and brutality is a rare thing that gets the media attention every time! Why don't they show the cops using incredible restraint that occurs most all of the time?! Why, because it doesn't sell papers! Violence sells like horse crap for manure! Tasers have time & time again been proven safe and effective. The problem has not been as you report (over use) but one of it being used when lethal force should have been instead for officer and bystanders safety! Get real and get off the cops backs! Maybe you should thank a cop for what they do, but no that would not make sense! You might be embarrassed or scared since we are sooo intimidating and mean! I am sick to death of all this police brutality BS! That is what it mostly is! Sure some cops mess up just like you and I mess up. What, you're perfect?! Well excuse me!

Sorry for the rant but I had to get it out! The truth hurts doesn't it?! Think about what our society would be like without the police! Off my soapbox for now. How about a little positive news maybe?!

Why are you upset with Jiro's post?

I can understand Jiro's post and his post doesn't against your willing nor your job performance, however he is just explain about concern with police brutalities. There is main point in his post is about some cops are too far than supposed to be like NYPD pushed the innocent cyclist down for no reason, use taser gun or pepper spray on person in handcuff without any resist, stop the car without break any laws and ask for ID, overact at people wichever they wear like banana and they don't break the laws nor join the gangs, etc.

Do you read my #11 post and please could you answer my question?

We had some members that who are police officers, especially one in St. Louis and he usually avoid any political discussion and police brutalities at all charge.

airportcop · 05-07-2012, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxrac

Why are you upset with Jiro's post?

I can understand Jiro's post and his post doesn't against your willing nor your job performance, however he is just explain about concern with police brutalities. There is main point in his post is about some cops are too far than supposed to be like NYPD pushed the innocent cyclist down for no reason, use taser gun or pepper spray on person in handcuff without any resist, stop the car without break any laws and ask for ID, overact at people wichever they wear like banana and they don't break the laws nor join the gangs, etc.

Do you read my #11 post and please could you answer my question?

We had some members that who are police officers, especially one in St. Louis and he usually avoid any political discussion and police brutalities at all charge.

Yes foxrac,

I believe that we have been over this before but I'll entertain you if you wish! I work as a police officer at an airport that is owned by the city that I am employed by. I am also commissioned as a deputy sheriff since the airport sets mainly outside the city. All the airport is city land but most adjacent is in the county. I have also been employed as a city police officer, worked as security for a hospital where we were also commissioned as deputy sheriffs so we can make arrests, carry a firearm etc.. And last but not least I worked in public safety at a college where I was again commissioned as a deputy sheriff in order to affect arrests, etc...!!! Over 18 years in state licensed and commissioned law enforcement. Does that help?? I was upset at jiro because I feel that police brutality is overstated and not reported on accurately as well as the Taser issue. I am tired of all the crap surrounding all of this and yes as rolling7 said tired of all the negativity involved in these threads and life in general! Have a great night! Seriously!

airportcop · 05-07-2012, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

where exactly did I say that all cops are bad? where did I say taser should be banned? did you not see the part where I asked if cops can do better?

that's not a negative tone. that's a progressive question... meaning it actually benefits you and all police officers since we're taxpayers and technology experts. we make tools for you in order to do your job better.

so what would you like to have in order to effectuate an arrest on non-compliant person resisting arrest? better hand-to-hand combat training? a better tool than taser? what?

Jiro,

Using hand to hand combat is great when your life or another depends on it! But in day to day police work it is not something that you use all of the time and it is dangerous since we don't practice the martial arts! (And I do mean practice) Going hands on gets officers and suspects hurt or killed in many cases. We are not ninjas or kung fu experts but we are cops! Trained to do a helluva a lot of stuff from counseling to understanding law to educating, etc......!!!! This is why we have tools like Tasers, pepper spray, ASPs, handcuffs, etc....!!! I'm just tired of all the cops are bad people BS!!! Lawyers, doctors, plumbers, mayors, secretaries, preachers and teachers are all bad people too sometimes!!! Have a great night and sleep well thanks to a cop!~

airportcop · 05-07-2012, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

where exactly did I say that all cops are bad? where did I say taser should be banned? did you not see the part where I asked if cops can do better?

that's not a negative tone. that's a progressive question... meaning it actually benefits you and all police officers since we're taxpayers and technology experts. we make tools for you in order to do your job better.

so what would you like to have in order to effectuate an arrest on non-compliant person resisting arrest? better hand-to-hand combat training? a better tool than taser? what?

Oh and by the way, a tool better than a Taser would be great!!

Something along the lines of a sound ray that incapacitates! Don't laugh as they are working on it!!! Nite John Boy!

airportcop · 05-07-2012, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxrac

I'm former CI user and not concerned about taser guns.

I think it rather to be less harmful than cause fatal.

Foxrac,

I'd say from my Taser training that you are correct. I doubt it would hurt anymore just because you have a CI! It doesn't kill those that have pacemakers!

Glenn · 05-07-2012, 11:08 PM

I think that a lot of police brutality videos don't show the whole story. The media has bias and does not always present a balanced view of events.

Glenn · 05-07-2012, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airportcop

Jiro,

Using hand to hand combat is great when your life or another depends on it! But in day to day police work it is not something that you use all of the time and it is dangerous since we don't practice the martial arts! (And I do mean practice) Going hands on gets officers and suspects hurt or killed in many cases. We are not ninjas or kung fu experts but we are cops! Trained to do a helluva a lot of stuff from counseling to understanding law to educating, etc......!!!! This is why we have tools like Tasers, pepper spray, ASPs, handcuffs, etc....!!! I'm just tired of all the cops are bad people BS!!! Lawyers, doctors, plumbers, mayors, secretaries, preachers and teachers are all bad people too sometimes!!! Have a great night and sleep well thanks to a cop!~

It would be insane if cops had hand-to-hand battles with suspects. Taking huge chances with lives that way. Cops have to take control of situations fast, otherwise things can and will get out of hand...and people die.

**Foxrac** · 05-07-2012, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airportcop

Yes foxrac,

I believe that we have been over this before but I'll entertain you if you wish! I work as a police officer at an airport that is owned by the city that I am employed by. I am also commissioned as a deputy sheriff since the airport sets mainly outside the city. All the airport is city land but most adjacent is in the county. I have also been employed as a city police officer, worked as security for a hospital where we were also commissioned as deputy sheriffs so we can make arrests, carry a firearm etc.. And last but not least I worked in public safety at a college where I was again commissioned as a deputy sheriff in order to affect arrests, etc...!!! Over 18 years in state licensed and commissioned law enforcement. Does that help?? I was upset at jiro because I feel that police brutality is overstated and not reported on accurately as well as the Taser issue. I am tired of all the crap surrounding all of this and yes as rolling7 said tired of all the negativity involved in these threads and life in general! Have a great night! Seriously!

That's very interesting to hear and thanks for sharing about your experience. Yup, it does help.

Do you know how much I'm concerned about police brutality? Very little or nothing at all, at least in USA, if police goes too far so it doesn't means they are police brutality because definition of police brutality require very serious harmful like broken bones over body, beating until death or excessive torture over body. If offender got down on street so hard when try to resisting to arrest so that's not police brutality, sometime, police has use much force to take them down as possible with very small or no injuries. It isn't easy to handle with drunk or druggies so make police job so more difficult. I had seen a lot of drunk people went out of control, especially some of my family members so I have very hard time to make them to calm down.

I will extremely scared of police in Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, North Korea and Sudan that where police brutality is very higher, even some people died from that for commit a small crime like steal small candies. It isn't huge issue in USA and if police goes too far, doesn't means they commit police brutality.

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rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,285	Supreme Court considers legality of Tasers JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - The Taser has been a controversial tool in policing since officers first used it. For instance, in 2007, police used the device on a disruptive University of Florida student who famously uttered the phrase, "Don't Tase me bro!" Now, for the first time, the Supreme Court is taking up the issue and looking into whether or not the use of Tasers is excessive force and if law enforcement officers should have them. According to Channel 4 records, since 2002, two people have died after a Jacksonville Sheriff's officer used a Taser on them. There have been seven deaths after a Taser was deployed involving law enforcement agencies in surrounding counties. Community activist Eunice Barnum said it's about time someone looked into the high-electricity weapons. "I personally know someone who was Tasered and was Tasered in his eye," Barnum said. "To this day he's still having difficulty with his eye." Former police officer and FBI agent Dale Carson agrees. "There are a lot of unwanted deaths in the deploying of Tasers and it's been a long question in my mind as to when the court would begin to address these issues," Carson said. Now working as a lawyer, Carson said officers should be trained to use their voice and their minds to contain people. If their lives are threatened, he said that's when they have to use their guns. "Oftentimes police officers will deploy a device instead of using their brain in figuring out a way to control an individual," Carson said. "You see this happening with children, the elderly, pregnant women." Former officer and current Channel 4 crime and safety analyst Ken Jefferson said Tasers can really help when things get hairy. "I think that Tasers are a great non-lethal weapon that police officers have in their continuum of force they can use," Jefferson said. But, he said it's a good thing the justices will take a look at the issues at hand. "It it's meant to be a non-lethal weapon and it's causing deaths and it's proven to cause deaths, it needs to be taken off the shelves," he said. The case will be among many considered by the Supreme Court's nine justices at their May 24 conference. If at least four justices agree, the case will be added to the docket for the upcoming 2012 term. Supreme Court considers legality of Tasers \| News - Home

05-07-2012, 02:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	What's next???? Supreme Court considers legality of Glock ???? Supreme Court considers legality of nightstick ??? airportcop likes this.

05-07-2012, 03:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
airportcop Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 1,088	I personally believe that Tasers are very safe if used properly. They have saved many officers as well as offenders lives. Taser has spent millions testing and proving them and have a huge host of medical systems and doctors behind them. I have been tased! It hurts but when you turn it off it is over. Sure people have died after being tased but that number is low and over exaggerated. People die because of drug use, heart problems and other medical issues not directly related to being tased. If tasers are taken away look for deaths to go up not down. rockin'robin likes this. __________________ Romans 12:12 (NIV) Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.

05-07-2012, 03:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
airportcop Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 1,088	The real answer here is don't do something that will cause the cops to be called. Then if they are don't fight them! Easy & simple!!! Take away the Taser and you just might find yourself shot when fighting the cops! People don't like pepper spray either but would you rather be hit by a nightstick which has been around for thousands of years?! Cops have to protect themselves and others from the violent people that live in our society these days that hate them. Bottom line is we/they have a dangerous and thankless job to do and just want to go home when their shift is over like everyone else! Cops have families and children. Cops are people too! __________________ Romans 12:12 (NIV) Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. Last edited by airportcop; 05-07-2012 at 03:40 PM. Reason: +

05-07-2012, 03:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	And some of the very best people too. airportcop....check out P.I.P. (Positive Interaction Program), an organization here in Houston for interactions between the police and the citizens. We have a specific meeting just for the deaf. Two wonderful officers meet with a group of the deaf (usually 35 in attendance) with all questions taken, answered and all concerns addressed. They even got 17 VRIs installed at all the police Headquarters, sub-stations and airports of Houston to assist with interpretering. Just a great help for the deaf community of Houston. airportcop likes this.

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05-07-2012, 05:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	Apparently, there are members who don't watch COPS nor JAIL. On the shows the violators are shown refusing to submit to command by law enforcement. Because of the refusal, the officer(s) have to take physical action to subdue these violators. Yes, there are videos of officers going too far but there are many, many times that of violators resisting. Which would you rather believe, 1)a report or 2) a "live" video? airportcop likes this.

05-07-2012, 08:05 PM	#19 (permalink)
CrazyPaul Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,976	Imagine if a cop uses a taser on a CI user. Anyway cops use tasers because they don't know how to kung-fu.

05-07-2012, 08:14 PM	#21 (permalink)
airportcop Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 1,088	Jiro, I tend to agree very much with rolling7! He tells the truth! Does it hurt you?! I know because I have been on the job for over 18 years!!! Police excessive use of force and brutality is a rare thing that gets the media attention every time! Why don't they show the cops using incredible restraint that occurs most all of the time?! Why, because it doesn't sell papers! Violence sells like horse crap for manure! Tasers have time & time again been proven safe and effective. The problem has not been as you report (over use) but one of it being used when lethal force should have been instead for officer and bystanders safety! Get real and get off the cops backs! Maybe you should thank a cop for what they do, but no that would not make sense! You might be embarrassed or scared since we are sooo intimidating and mean! I am sick to death of all this police brutality BS! That is what it mostly is! Sure some cops mess up just like you and I mess up. What, you're perfect?! Well excuse me! Sorry for the rant but I had to get it out! The truth hurts doesn't it?! Think about what our society would be like without the police! Off my soapbox for now. How about a little positive news maybe?! __________________ Romans 12:12 (NIV) Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.

05-07-2012, 11:08 PM	#28 (permalink)
Glenn Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 2,909	I think that a lot of police brutality videos don't show the whole story. The media has bias and does not always present a balanced view of events. airportcop likes this.

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