deafbirk

Tasers are way overused. Name a mid size city or larger that has not had abuse cases. Some cities have even done away with them od have only supervisory officers carrying them. In my opion it is used as a crutch by 9officers who have low training or physical strength to take down a prep. It is human nature to take the easy way out and zap someone.

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Jiro

that's the thing. we're not talking about some master-level kung fu moves. only couple of moves that everybody can do. this is something that you already learned at police academy. Police officers deal with non-compliant subjects on nearly daily basis and the moves are usually very similar. I think ya'all should be practicing takedown/arrest/etc techniques regularly.

Being a police officer is a tough life-and-death job. It would behoove you and all to train self-defense techniques regularly so that media shark won't prey on you or costs city hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in legal settlement.

then you need to drop that kind of attitude because it's going to keep breeding more public scrutiny and harsh criticism. Don't forget that it is us who have a power over your fate. We are your jury, employers, and legislators. We have a power to put you in jail or not as we see it fit.

yes but they don't kill or hurt people. bad cops do.

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rolling7

Now you, Jiro, have officially ben declared crazy. The quote, by airportcop, was that "lawyers, doctors, plumbers, mayors, secretaries, preachers, teachers.." and the quote of you, Jiro, is "yes, but they don't kill or hurt people, bad cops do".
Because it has happen to me, a stated here on AD in the past, that I've personally been hurt by a member of the group quoted by airportcop, I now know you are just plain crazy to make a statement like you did. Have you been living under a ton of rocks? Have you missed all the news reports about teachers?

Where it comes to speaking/posting about cops, you are negative, negative and more negative because of your own reason.

Jiro

I see that you're not very willing to discuss about how can police officers improve themselves. you should know that law enforcement agencies are always seeking for better methods and non-lethal tools to subdue a non-compliant subject quickly and painless as possible (which airportcop acknowledged). that's why there has been a progressive transition from gun to baton to mace to taser.

instead... you want to point finger and make accusation.

you might want to ask rest of ADers about that

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CrazyPaul

First of all, Supreme Court considers legality of tasers because cops use tasers for bad reasons. I never forget the national news about cops tasering a tantruming little boy at school and even old people.

Second of all, tasers make cops lazier and gayer. In other words, cops become lazy faggots because they have taser guns. I saw "Cops" on TV and the cops tasered a guy who kept running away from them so they could stop chasing. WTF?

Last of all, taser guns are not 100% safe.

Jiro

I was beginning to wonder when will people notice that

because this isn't some typical local case. this is actually serious enough to even reach to Supreme Court.

wanna try chasing after a guy while wearing uniform, a belt full of gears, and bullet vest? I don't have problem with cops using taser while chasing after a subject but my only issue is officers using taser in a situation that wasn't necessary.

In most situations where tasing wasn't necessary, it can be resolved with a simple talk if some officers were just more patient and understanding. I do know a lot of officers are very professional and patient with belligerent/uncooperative people and I do know they do exercise with restraint and if they used taser, they had a really good reason to use it. Some cops are plain damn mean and hostile.... to the point where they're an instigator just so they can use taser. I do not believe taser should be outlawed but more oversight and regulation might be needed (only at where there is a growing numbers of troubling cases, not all police departments).

nothing is ever 100% safe but it's an effective non-lethal weapon to subdue a violent, non-compliant subject. it's certainly a lot better than in past when officers were using batons and fists/kicking. it's the best tool we have out there right now.

in some videos, I find it comical when a suspect pull a "soccer victim" move (fake injury and dramatic acting) when getting taser'ed

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CrazyPaul

Yes, that's serious obviously.

rockin'robin

Never been tased or know of anyone that has....but I'd rather be tased if necessary, than be shot....I'm sure there are some bad or cocky cops that would tase someone basically for the hell of it....then again, I feel tasers are a better option than the cop having to use his gun.

As for using tasers on pregnant women, children, old people (especially those with a heart condition), it's dangerous. But feel there are times when the situation would warrant it. And especially someone who was all strung out on Meth or other drugs.

Then I think about deafies...not hearing the cop's orders and being tased. And as for the person that got tased in the eye?...Was the Cop aiming for his head?....Surely, all Cops are trained to shoot a gun....and feel tasers should be used for the lower body, such as the legs or buttocks.

Basically, all people need to be cooperative with the Police in the beginning and not be combative, or risk being tased or even being shot. It's their choice.

airportcop

jiro,

You are dead wrong in two areas. First when cops go hands on they or the offenders get injured very often and it is certainly more dangerous for both. We know when we can go hands on and it doesn't work for everyone or every time. Second but not least, bad doctors kill people, bad teachers & preachers injure people and it is in the news! Sexual abuse, malpractice!

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airportcop

And what was wrong with that?? Taser would have worked too!

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airportcop

No wonder they call you crazy, Paul!

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rolling7

Yes. I do want to point fingers and make accustions but at both sides. And, as I have posted, the numbers are greatly in the favor of the officers.

Hell if I need anyone else nor an AD member to back me up, I have a mind of my own. I read your posts and all I read is negative, negative, negative about officers. Just saying that cops could use improvement(s) is a negative. IMO

Jiro

The officers are trained and required as per department policy to aim taser at center mass (chest area). The taser has laser dot and light so officer definitely knows where he's aiming at. If the dart hits his eye, it's probably because he was moving around. this kind of case is extraordinary rare for sure.

Aiming at legs is rather foolish because there's a very high chance that darts will miss the target. BB gun or even slingshot is much more accurate than taser because when shooting a taser, 2 darts will fly out of it with strings connected to taser so it's better to aim at either chest or back.

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Jiro

nothing wrong with it. just saying that he didn't need to use anything to subdue him.

mad skill, bro!

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Jiro

please do tell me how can I make it sound more positive?

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CrazyPaul

What about Supreme Court? Is it crazy, too?

Jiro

first of all.... we're talking about legality. doctors, teachers, preachers, and lawyers.... in their professions - they do not hurt/kill people. cops do (yes I'm talking about justified use of force) because they are the one carrying gun, mace, baton, and taser.

sometimes it wasn't justified. sometimes it's very grey area. that's why we have to monitor police officers and update department policy/law if needed.

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rockin'robin

I do agree somewhat with you....Having to weed out the bad cops is necessary, time and time again. We have had and will always have some bad cops here in Duval County.

As for the training to aim the taser to the chest area...I don't feel comfortable with that. The back, that seems to be appropriate, if the culprit is running...And tasing a woman, who is "obviously" pregnant, a resounding No, unless she has a gun or another weapon and is hell-bent on injuring/killing the officer. Same as for a child....People can and will become beligerant when drunk or strung out on drugs, even threaten deadly harm to the officer. It's a split-second decision for the best way to subdue them.

airportcop

And he just as easily could have seriously injured him! Hence the Taser!

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airportcop

Many times it is indeed!

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airportcop

This is also why we have to monitor doctors & teachers too! How many doctors have killed or injured people in their line of work?! How many teachers and preachers have molested kids or others!?

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Jiro

he could have been seriously injured or killed by taser as well. point is - he didn't need any of it to subdue him and he did it as quick and painless as possible.

cuz he's got some mad skills!!!!

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Jiro

you're talking about criminals. any criminals kill/hurt people.

but I'm not talking about criminals. I'm talking about law-abiding professionals. these professions you speak of in previous post... they do not hurt or kill people. in police business, officers do kill or hurt people (justified use of force, of course).

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rolling7

So what you are saying is that a doctor that "kills" someone on the operating table because of malpractice should get the death penalty?

And are you also saying that a priest/preacher/teacher that rapes a child during the course of his/her professional duty should get the death penalty?

After all, cops are not the only that begin their day as a professional and end their day as a professional.

Also the "justified use of force" would mean the officer did NOT kill nor hurt another person. It would mean that the officer acted for society as a professional whom has a set obligation.

Foxrac

What are you think about tranquilizer guns? They can sedate the offenders down but not sure if they will get prescription side effects.

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Jiro

very dangerous, expensive, and complicated.

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airportcop

Doctors who kill or injure people are not usually criminals are they?! It's called malpractice for which we pay for dearly!

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Glenn

You do not know the whole story.

Jiro

doctors do not kill or hurt people. doctors save them and despite of their best efforts, some patients die.

when a police officer points a gun at suspect, it's to kill him.
when a police officer raises a baton at suspect or aim mace/taser, it's to hurt him.

does doctor cut to kill? or to hurt?

we do not pay for their malpractice. doctor's insurance does. but we taxpayers do have to pay for wrongful deaths or injury caused by police officers.

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