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Unread 05-07-2012, 01:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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U.S. District Judge states Georgia discriminates against the Deaf

As if Deaf Georgians didn't already know that :


Judge: State discriminating against deaf people with disabilities *| ajc.com
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Yup, Alabama got sued with similar situation that mentioned in article in 8 years ago.
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I think it is the second wave of the DOJ cleaning house.


http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/hund...ns-105776.html
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I think it is the second wave of the DOJ cleaning house.


Hundreds of ADA violations found in Atlanta buildings *| ajc.com
Why are you posted same link again?
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Why are you posted same link again?
The first time I posted that link, I accidentally posted the wrong link (the first link in the OP) - I corrected it - the second link is about the surprise DOJ inspection where they found hundreds of ADA violations in Atlanta.

Sorry about that. Check the link again.
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The first time I posted that link, I accidentally posted the wrong link (the first link in the OP) - I corrected it - the second link is about the surprise DOJ inspection where they found hundreds of ADA violations in Atlanta.

Sorry about that. Check the link again.
Wow, not surprised about numerous ADA violations in Atlanta.

What are you think about this situation?

My home is only 1.5 hours away from Atlanta and took about 1 hour to pass the Georgia-Alabama border. I know some people got jobs in Atlanta but live in Alabama, however they have to change the time zone to EST/EDT instead of CST/CDT.
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Wow, not surprised about numerous ADA violations in Atlanta.

What are you think about this situation?

My home is only 1.5 hours away from Atlanta and took about 1 hour to pass the Georgia-Alabama border. I know some people got jobs in Atlanta but live in Alabama, however they have to change the time zone to EST/EDT instead of CST/CDT.
I think it is typical when government is run by the "good 'ol boy" system. A lot of "here, take this $$$" wink - wink under the table, back room deals "what can they do about it (heh heh) they can't do anything - they are disabled" <<<<< generally what good ol boys think when it comes to receiving federal funds meant to be distributed to those with disabilities - they end up pocketing it or spending it on High School Football Fields or some other such fancy stuff - don't they always drive such nice cars, live in golf course communities?

^ Just my opinion of course. Time to rattle their cage.

Too many people I personally know have been absolutely burned, lives destroyed, because of government greed ... er, mismanagement right here in Georgia.

And ..... since a U.S. District Judge just said it is actually happening, I can say that with more than an ounce of conviction.
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I think it is typical when government is run by the "good 'ol boy" system. A lot of "here, take this $$$" wink - wink under the table, back room deals "what can they do about it (heh heh) they can't do anything - they are disabled" <<<<< generally what good ol boys think when it comes to receiving federal funds meant to be distributed to those with disabilities - they end up pocketing it or spending it on High School Football Fields or some other such fancy stuff - don't they always drive such nice cars, live in golf course communities?

^ Just my opinion of course. Time to rattle their cage.

Too many people I personally know have been absolutely burned, lives destroyed, because of government greed ... er, mismanagement right here in Georgia.

And ..... since a U.S. District Judge just said it is actually happening, I can say that with more than an ounce of conviction.
I'm confused about what are you saying? care to clarify?
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I think it is typical when government is run by the "good 'ol boy" system.
curious - are they mostly Republicans?

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A lot of "here, take this $$$" wink - wink under the table, back room deals "what can they do about it (heh heh) they can't do anything - they are disabled" <<<<< generally what good ol boys think when it comes to receiving federal funds meant to be distributed to those with disabilities - they end up pocketing it or spending it on High School Football Fields or some other such fancy stuff - don't they always drive such nice cars, live in golf course communities?

^ Just my opinion of course. Time to rattle their cage.
curious - where did it say that they were pocketing it or spending it on high school football fields or fancy stuff?

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Too many people I personally know have been absolutely burned, lives destroyed, because of government greed ... er, mismanagement right here in Georgia.

And ..... since a U.S. District Judge just said it is actually happening, I can say that with more than an ounce of conviction.
government greed? mismanagement?

in most cases, it's usually by couple of high-ranking government officials stealing some money for their personal uses or misusing the funds like GSA. any idea who were the culprits?
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Ok, I will attempt to clarify. Do you remember several years ago when there was a national investigation into Vocational Rehabilitation? They found VR counselors denying clients and they were pocketing federal funds?

I was attempting to show ((in my opinion)) the thought process that goes through those types of individuals minds when they commit those acts. They will vehemently deny that they are doing this - yet, those buildings found in violation of the ADA were built AFTER the ADA was passed.

AFTER ...... how did that happen if not for Government employees pocketing money meant to bring buildings up to code?

Now, the State is claiming not enough resources ... puhlease

They just want to cling to their rolls royce and beach condos (paid for by your tax dollars)
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curious - are they mostly Republicans?

Mostly Democrats until Nathan Deal became Governor - Georgia has been primarily Democrat leaning.

I do not know why you ask - although I suspect - but the ADA was passed by Republicans



curious - where did it say that they were pocketing it or spending it on high school football fields or fancy stuff?


government greed? mismanagement?

in most cases, it's usually by couple of high-ranking government officials stealing some money for their personal uses or misusing the funds like GSA. any idea who were the culprits?
Yes, I have a general idea.
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Yes, I have a general idea.
so these are purely speculations?
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Ok, I will attempt to clarify. Do you remember several years ago when there was a national investigation into Vocational Rehabilitation? They found VR counselors denying clients and they were pocketing federal funds?

I was attempting to show ((in my opinion)) the thought process that goes through those types of individuals minds when they commit those acts. They will vehemently deny that they are doing this - yet, those buildings found in violation of the ADA were built AFTER the ADA was passed.

AFTER ...... how did that happen if not for Government employees pocketing money meant to bring buildings up to code?

Now, the State is claiming not enough resources ... puhlease

They just want to cling to their rolls royce and beach condos (paid for by your tax dollars)
is there a fact that government employees were stealing money meant for improving buildings to be disability-compliant? and who?
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Ok, I will attempt to clarify. Do you remember several years ago when there was a national investigation into Vocational Rehabilitation? They found VR counselors denying clients and they were pocketing federal funds?

I was attempting to show ((in my opinion)) the thought process that goes through those types of individuals minds when they commit those acts. They will vehemently deny that they are doing this - yet, those buildings found in violation of the ADA were built AFTER the ADA was passed.

AFTER ...... how did that happen if not for Government employees pocketing money meant to bring buildings up to code?

Now, the State is claiming not enough resources ... puhlease

They just want to cling to their rolls royce and beach condos (paid for by your tax dollars)
I'm trying to figure it out about what are you saying but still confused.

Are you saying it is DOJ's fault to sue on state of Georgia?

Do you think it is not state of Georgia nor city of Atlanta fault?
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Yes, I have a general idea.
In past, Georgia was controlled by mostly conservative democrats so they switched to Republican Party after realized about Democratic Party is getting more liberal than ever.

Georgia never had majority liberal who took control of state.

Blame on parties aren't making difference because majority of them are still conservative.

Republican started tookover of state legislative in Jan 2005 and you had few republican governors in past.
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In past, Georgia was controlled by mostly conservative democrats so they switched to Republican Party after realized about Democratic Party is getting more liberal than ever.

Georgia never had majority liberal who took control of state.

Blame on parties aren't making difference because majority of them are still conservative.

Republican started tookover of state legislative in Jan 2005 and you had few republican governors in past.
Nice try guys ....

If you want to politicize this topic here is what I am going to say....I could say this was political - and I am sure there are some political aspects involved when certain federal laws were passed by the republicans and are not followed. No Child Left behind and the massive Public School corruption is an example of what goes on in Atlanta. The hundreds of ADA violations is yet another ...

Absolutely no excuse for it. The best the Democrats can do is try to make this topic as confusing as possible so they can shift blame on the Republicans for their own corruption. So, if you guys want to take this topic in that direction - sure, we can do that (at your peril of course - remember, the Democrats in the South supported segregation and comprised the majority of the KKK).
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I'm trying to figure it out about what are you saying but still confused.

Are you saying it is DOJ's fault to sue on state of Georgia?

Do you think it is not state of Georgia nor city of Atlanta fault?
No - I am not blaming DOJ. In fact, I believe the DOJ's surprise inspection was long over due because of all the neglect by State government employees in regards to the deaf and disabled citizens of Georgia.

When government officials claim that they did not have a budget to cover the cost of bringing a building to code, yet own 5 houses, live in a golf course community, children attend private school, drive around in 75-100k cars ....

get it now?
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No - I am not blaming DOJ. In fact, I believe the DOJ's surprise inspection was long over due because of all the neglect by State government employees in regards to the deaf and disabled citizens of Georgia.

When government officials claim that they did not have a budget to cover the cost of bringing a building to code, yet own 5 houses, live in a golf course community, children attend private school, drive around in 75-100k cars ....

get it now?
is that a fact? do you have any news source or whatsoever that government officials are living like king? did they steal from government funding for their greed? where are the facts or proof?
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Nice try guys ....

If you want to politicize this topic here is what I am going to say....I could say this was political - and I am sure there are some political aspects involved when certain federal laws were passed by the republicans and are not followed. No Child Left behind and the massive Public School corruption is an example of what goes on in Atlanta. The hundreds of ADA violations is yet another ...

Absolutely no excuse for it. The best the Democrats can do is try to make this topic as confusing as possible so they can shift blame on the Republicans for their own corruption. So, if you guys want to take this topic in that direction - sure, we can do that
Since when this fiasco started to happen?

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(at your peril of course - remember, the Democrats in the South supported segregation and comprised the majority of the KKK).
this is related to this topic..... how?

FYI - the Democrats in the South who supported segregation were the conservatives and rightists. as the time changes, they switched to Republican conservatives/rightists. let's not forget about David Duke.
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Since when this fiasco started to happen?


this is related to this topic..... how?

FYI - the Democrats in the South who supported segregation were the conservatives and rightists. as the time changes, they switched to Republican conservatives/rightists. let's not forget about David Duke.
This fiasco started with you and your question intending to politicize this thread.

and FYI - those who supported segregation in the South were members of the Democrat party - not conservatives and rightists as you claim. The party that ended segregation was the Republican party. MLK .... was a republican.

Let's take your "theory" about the KKK card carrying members of the Democrat party who suddenly, and mysteriously, decided to become Republicans, and apply it to the longest serving Senator, and longest serving member of the U.S. Congress to see if it fits.

Nope ... Robert Byrd never switched parties. He was a Dixiecrat when he was a KKK member, and he was a Democrat when he died.

Like I said earlier .... nice try guys. And to answer your question with clarity in post #9 - no, they are mostly democrats - even today.
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Nice try guys ....

If you want to politicize this topic here is what I am going to say....I could say this was political - and I am sure there are some political aspects involved when certain federal laws were passed by the republicans and are not followed. No Child Left behind and the massive Public School corruption is an example of what goes on in Atlanta. The hundreds of ADA violations is yet another ...

Absolutely no excuse for it. The best the Democrats can do is try to make this topic as confusing as possible so they can shift blame on the Republicans for their own corruption. So, if you guys want to take this topic in that direction - sure, we can do that (at your peril of course - remember, the Democrats in the South supported segregation and comprised the majority of the KKK).
You need to understand about Democratic Party was much divided in past - liberal, moderate, conservative without segregation and conservative with segregation. Most democrats in the southern states are most conservative ever and they hated Republican Party due history of civil war that destroyed the southern states.

Don't point at Democratic Party platform since it is up to individual.
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No - I am not blaming DOJ. In fact, I believe the DOJ's surprise inspection was long over due because of all the neglect by State government employees in regards to the deaf and disabled citizens of Georgia.

When government officials claim that they did not have a budget to cover the cost of bringing a building to code, yet own 5 houses, live in a golf course community, children attend private school, drive around in 75-100k cars ....

get it now?
Yup, it sounds like state of Georgia or city of Atlanta are most corrupted.
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This fiasco started with you and your question intending to politicize this thread.

and FYI - those who supported segregation in the South were members of the Democrat party - not conservatives and rightists as you claim. The party that ended segregation was the Republican party. MLK .... was a republican.

Let's take your "theory" about the KKK card carrying members of the Democrat party who suddenly, and mysteriously, decided to become Republicans, and apply it to the longest serving Senator, and longest serving member of the U.S. Congress to see if it fits.

Nope ... Robert Byrd never switched parties. He was a Dixiecrat when he was a KKK member, and he was a Democrat when he died.

Like I said earlier .... nice try guys. And to answer your question with clarity in post #9 - no, they are mostly democrats - even today.
FACT: MLK isn't republican nor democrat, he is non-partisan so quit make misled information.

Majority of Democratic Party and Republican Party supported Civil Rights of 1965 - look at vote record and majority of them were against are in the southern states.

The racist is already transferred from Democratic Party to Republican Party when most white southern democrats switched to Republican Party started in 1970's and still present. I have seen many hate groups like KKK support Republican Party in the southern states now.
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FACT: MLK isn't republican nor democrat, he is non-partisan so quit make misled information.

Majority of Democratic Party and Republican Party supported Civil Rights of 1965 - look at vote record and majority of them were against are in the southern states.

The racist is already transferred from Democratic Party to Republican Party when most white southern democrats switched to Republican Party started in 1970's and still present. I have seen many hate groups like KKK support Republican Party in the southern states now.
MLK was a lifelong registered Republican - yes, that is a fact.

His neice, Alveda King, is also a conservative Republican. She has, in fact, dispelled the rumors you are advocating that MLK was non partisan.
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This fiasco started with you and your question intending to politicize this thread.
I'm talking about this fiasco -

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AFTER ...... how did that happen if not for Government employees pocketing money meant to bring buildings up to code?

Now, the State is claiming not enough resources ... puhlease

They just want to cling to their rolls royce and beach condos (paid for by your tax dollars)
when did it start to happen?
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I'm talking about this fiasco -



when did it start to happen?
According to the article published in the AJC, it began after the passing of the ADA.

So, for 20 years, government buildings were being built without the ADA in mind.

And allegations that illegal labor was used to construct them abound:

The Marietta Daily Journal - Illegal labor Allegations about courthouse troubling
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oh? so you're saying MLK PUBLICLY stated that he was a Republican?

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His neice, Alveda King, is also a conservative Republican. She has, in fact, dispelled the rumors you are advocating that MLK was non partisan.
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The 2008 AP story about the Florida and South Carolina billboards included a statement from King's son, Martin Luther King III: "It is disingenuous to imply that my father was a Republican. He never endorsed any presidential candidate, and there is certainly no evidence that he ever even voted for a Republican. It is even more outrageous to suggest that he would support the Republican Party of today, which has spent so much time and effort trying to suppress African American votes in Florida and many other states."

Friends and associates of Martin Luther King Jr. also objected. The AP article says that the Rev. Joseph Lowery, who co-founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with King, "said there is no reason why anyone would think King was a Republican." Lowery told the AP that King almost certainly voted for Kennedy and that the only time he openly talked about politics was when he criticized Goldwater in 1964.

The story quotes Lowery as saying: "That was not the Martin I know, and I don't think they can substantiate that by any shape, form or fashion. It's purely propaganda and poppycock. ... Even if he was, he would have nothing to do with what the Republican Party stands for today."

Finally, we checked with political experts in the states where King spent most of his adulthood. Charles Bullock, a political science professor at the University of Georgia, said King "didn't die a Republican." But Bullock speculated that King could have been Republican in his youth when Southern Democrats were intensely segregationist. William Stewart, a political scientist at the University of Alabama, said that if King was a Republican, he kept it a secret. King focused on civil rights, Stewart said, and "partisan politics wasn't relevant."

Upshot: Raging Elephants points to a King family member whose declaration lends support for its claim that King was a Republican: his niece Alveda. We didn't divine how she reached that conclusion. Another King relative, his son, disagrees, as do respected academic experts and former King associates and friends. The record shows that as a civil rights leader, King avoided partisan identification.

We rate the statement False.
I think we should stick with fact.... not hearsay. Did MLK state HIMSELF that he's a Republican or not?
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This fiasco started with you and your question intending to politicize this thread.

and FYI - those who supported segregation in the South were members of the Democrat party - not conservatives and rightists as you claim. The party that ended segregation was the Republican party. MLK .... was a republican.

Let's take your "theory" about the KKK card carrying members of the Democrat party who suddenly, and mysteriously, decided to become Republicans, and apply it to the longest serving Senator, and longest serving member of the U.S. Congress to see if it fits.

Nope ... Robert Byrd never switched parties. He was a Dixiecrat when he was a KKK member, and he was a Democrat when he died.

Like I said earlier .... nice try guys. And to answer your question with clarity in post #9 - no, they are mostly democrats - even today.
oh? let's see.....

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There is an awful lot of misinformation and untruth out there about the legacy of the two major political parties and the civil rights movement. Conservatives often like to use slight of hand, insisting that because the early Republican party was stronger in support of civil rights, this means that conservatives have the moral high ground. This is totally untrue.

Republicans – Moderate and Liberal Republicans supported civil rights. The Republicans who supported civil rights in America were not conservatives of the same ilk as George W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. They were liberals and moderates, people like former Rhode Island senator Lincoln Chaffee and former governor Nelson Rockefeller.

Conservative Democrats opposed civil rights. The Democrats opposed to the civil rights movement weren’t Democrats with the center-left ideology of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. They were, in fact, conservatives – especially from the south – with far more in common with Limbaugh, Beck, etc. than any modern mainstream Democrat. When people say that someone like notorious segregationist Bull Connor was a Democrat, they are technically right on the party label, but when it comes to ideology Connor and the rest of those opposed to racial integration were conservatives.

Conservatives opposed civil rights. At the time of the civil rights movement, outside of the parties, conservatives were opposed to the civil rights movement. Barry Goldwater, a conservative whose brand of politics would soon take over the Republicans in the guise of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, opposed civil rights law. He claimed that he viewed it as a states rights issue, and actually favored equal rights, but the practical effect of his stance would be to allow segregation – in the south “states rights” meant “Jim Crow.” The conservative intellectual movement – William F. Buckley’s National Review, for instance, opposed what they viewed as law-breaking protests by Dr. Martin Luther King.

Democrats moved left on civil rights, in favor. Over time the Democrats moved to the left on civil rights, meaning they moved with other liberals in favor of them. Southern, conservative Democrats opposed civil rights and the laws were passed by liberal/moderate Republicans and liberal/moderate Democrats. The Civil Rights Act was signed into law by Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat.

Conservative Democrats left the party in opposition to civil rights and became Republicans. After the Civil Rights law was signed into law, conservative Democrats left the party. Strom Thurmond, who ran as a segregationist in 1948, became a Republican, as did Jesse Helms (who went on to filibuster against making Martin Luther King Jr. day a federal holiday).

Republicans used racial resentment for elections, while Democrats became more racially inclusive. As the Republican party became more ideologically conservative in the post-Goldwater era, they increasingly used racially divisive politics for electoral gain. The GOP employed what is now known as “the southern stategy” (acknowledged by GOP party chairmen Ken Mehlman and Michael Steele in the last decade) to demonize blacks and other minorities while also riling up the white, male conservative base that forms the party now. Examples include the Willie Horton ad used by Bush Sr. allies vs Michael Dukakis, the “hands” ad used by Jesse Helms, and the nonstop racebaiting versus President Obama from conservative outlets like Fox News and talk radio.

At the same time, the Democratic party became more and more racially inclusive. After civil rights passed, and the GOP became more conservative and increased racial demagoguery, black and other minority voters became Democrats. Every black member of the House of Representatives is a Democrat, and every black senator since 1979 has been a Democrat. The first black president, is of course, Barack Obama – a Democrat.

The parties have changed but the ideology hasn’t. The attempt to co-opt liberal support of civil rights has been a consistent campaign of the right, despite their predecessor’s opposition to the concept. The attempt to say that liberal Republicans of the past are the same as conservative Republicans of today, is just a terrible lie. Conservatives often try to say people like Martin Luther King Jr. would be conservatives. This is entirely untrue. In the last years of his life, Dr. King ran what he called “The Poor People’s Campaign,” and his beliefs would largely be to the left of where the modern Democratic party is, let alone the Republicans.

The Democrats moved away from the conservative position against racial inclusion, while the right moved the other way and has only recently somewhat acknowledged the moral folly of its past. Conservatives opposed civil rights, while liberals favored them. Both ideologies have inhabited majorities in both parties, but the ideological support or opposition to civil rights and equality has largely remained the same.


either you are lying or you're confused about historical facts....
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Unread 05-07-2012, 01:28 PM   #29 (permalink)
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oh? let's see.....

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either you are lying or you're confused about historical facts....
Written by Oliver Willis....enough said. But congrats on destroying another thread.
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Written by Oliver Willis....enough said. But congrats on destroying another thread.
might want to remind OP about it especially starting from Post #16.... or even from the beginning where I have repeatedly asked for facts for allegations as made in OP's subsequent posts.
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