U.S. District Judge states Georgia discriminates against the Deaf - Page 2

**TXgolfer** · 05-07-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

might want to remind OP about it especially starting from Post #16.... or even from the beginning where I have repeatedly asked for facts for allegations as made in OP's subsequent posts.

Clearly it started in post #9 by the usual culprit. Moving on....please continue.

**Jiro** · 05-07-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Clearly it started in post #9 by the usual culprit. Moving on....please continue.

But it didn't digress to some old history like MLK, segregation, and KKK. It started to go way off the tangent at Post #16.

Post #6 was a fair question to ask because I'd like to know the whole details of this story since Steinhauer is notorious for not discerning the difference between facts and myths.

example -

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I think it is typical when government is run by the "good 'ol boy" system. A lot of "here, take this $$$" wink - wink under the table, back room deals "what can they do about it (heh heh) they can't do anything - they are disabled" <<<<< generally what good ol boys think when it comes to receiving federal funds meant to be distributed to those with disabilities - they end up pocketing it or spending it on High School Football Fields or some other such fancy stuff - don't they always drive such nice cars, live in golf course communities?

^ Just my opinion of course. Time to rattle their cage.

Too many people I personally know have been absolutely burned, lives destroyed, because of government greed ... er, mismanagement right here in Georgia.

And ..... since a U.S. District Judge just said it is actually happening, I can say that with more than an ounce of conviction.

can we now please continue without you causing further disruption?

rolling7 · 05-07-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

But it didn't digress to some old history like MLK, segregation, and KKK. It started to go way off the tangent at Post #16.

Post #6 was a fair question to ask because I'd like to know the whole details of this story since Steinhauer is notorious for not discerning the difference between facts and myths.

example -

can we now please continue without you causing further disruption?

not after you completely destoyed the thread....the "good old boys" system is not rep. or dem..it is both(something you already know)...but you wanted to make it rep.

**Jiro** · 05-07-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

not after you completely destoyed the thread....the "good old boys" system is not rep. or dem..it is both(something you already know)...but you wanted to make it rep.

I'm not asking about "good ole' boys" system. I'm asking about government officials involved in this fiasco.

my oh my... lot of assumptions and accusations going on now... looks like certain ADers are already starting to circle the wagons...

rolling7 · 05-07-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I'm not asking about "good ole' boys" system. I'm asking about government officials involved in this fiasco.

my oh my... lot of assumptions and accusations going on now... looks like certain ADers are already starting to circle the wagons...

Then you wasted a post because you should know that the whole governemnt is involved in "slaping on the wrist" any enterprise that discriminates. There ain't certain government officials of a certain party.

Yes, I know of these "huge" fines but they are a "slap on the wrist" because the discrimination continues. Just ask the FCC about closed caption.

Why circle the wagons for one Indian?

**Jiro** · 05-07-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Then you wasted a post because you should know that the whole governemnt is involved in "slaping on the wrist" any enterprise that discriminates. There ain't certain government officials of a certain party.

so... it's a bunch of faceless men? like.... bogeymen?

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Yes, I know of these "huge" fines but they are a "slap on the wrist" because the discrimination continues. Just ask the FCC about closed caption.

exactly why I'm asking questions in this thread and all I get is accusation, allegation, and assumption. where are facts that I asked for?

facts.... where are they?

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Why circle the wagons for one Indian?

that's the question I had about your hostility in this thread. are you trying to prevent truth from coming out?

rolling7 · 05-07-2012, 05:42 PM

If the "facts" you speak of come from post #9, I'll be happy to answer for you.

No, not Reps., because we have a Dem. president and he is "the buck stops here".

"Pocketing it or spending it" is a IMO, no answer required.

government feed and mismanagement!!! I don't know which rock you have been hiding under but that had been going on all my life and my grandfather's too.

What truth(s) are not being allow to come out?

**Jiro** · 05-07-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

If the "facts" you speak of come from post #9, I'll be happy to answer for you.

yes please do. that's what i've been waiting for.

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Originally Posted by rolling7

No, not Reps., because we have a Dem. president and he is "the buck stops here".

but... Georgia - either at state or local level or both has been found misusing federal funding, not Obama.

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Originally Posted by rolling7

"Pocketing it or spending it" is a IMO, no answer required.

ok. so sit down and be quiet. you do not have to answer my questions.

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Originally Posted by rolling7

government feed and mismanagement!!! I don't know which rock you have been hiding under but that had been going on all my life and my grandfather's too.

What truth(s) are not being allow to come out?

the questions I'm asking. I'm not getting any facts for my questions because you are attempting to block my effort to get the whole details of this fiasco.

what does it matter if my questions are important or not to you? it does not concern you. again - you do not have to answer my questions and I did not ask you a question.

**Foxrac** · 05-07-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

MLK was a lifelong registered Republican - yes, that is a fact.

His neice, Alveda King, is also a conservative Republican. She has, in fact, dispelled the rumors you are advocating that MLK was non partisan.

I don't accept the claim from Alveda King, even I'm not advocating but just tell you a fact.

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Originally Posted by Jiro

oh? so you're saying MLK PUBLICLY stated that he was a Republican?

for that statement...

PolitiFact Texas | Houston group says Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican

I think we should stick with fact.... not hearsay. Did MLK state HIMSELF that he's a Republican or not?

Steinhauer, if you dispute that so please present authentic source with document that did MLK publicly say he is republican? Any source from his families, especially Alveda King are not accepted.

My history professor told us that MLK is non-partisan, even official college encyclopedia and Wikipedia doesn't state MLK as republican because he doesn't publicly announce about whichever parties that he supports.

**Foxrac** · 05-07-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

not after you completely destoyed the thread....the "good old boys" system is not rep. or dem..it is both(something you already know)...but you wanted to make it rep.

Not really, you did destroy some threads, especially mine one and I'm disappointed with your unacceptable behavior, especially trolling.

rolling7 · 05-07-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes please do. that's what i've been waiting for.

but... Georgia - either at state or local level or both has been found misusing federal funding, not Obama.

ok. so sit down and be quiet. you do not have to answer my questions.

the questions I'm asking. I'm not getting any facts for my questions because you are attempting to block my effort to get the whole details of this fiasco.

what does it matter if my questions are important or not to you? it does not concern you. again - you do not have to answer my questions and I did not ask you a question.

For making my day. I've long held that all funds should be under the control of the local community. However, since Washington, and not Georgia not the local, collects the funds and then dolls them out then Washington is required to make sure the moneys are properly used. If Washington would quit stealing money from the population and let them manage their own affairs, America would be 1000 times better.

**Jiro** · 05-07-2012, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

For making my day. I've long held that all funds should be under the control of the local community.

have you been living under rock? or got hit by a rock in the head?

it is the local community that has been misusing the federal fund.

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Originally Posted by rolling7

However, since Washington, and not Georgia not the local, collects the funds and then dolls them out then Washington is required to make sure the moneys are properly used.

you actually want to expand federal government oversight and federal power?

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Originally Posted by rolling7

If Washington would quit stealing money from the population and let them manage their own affairs, America would be 1000 times better.

I don't know if you're confused or something. This thread isn't about Washington DC stealing money from people... it's the local or state government stealing money from Washington

rolling7 · 05-07-2012, 08:00 PM

Nope, you have. The federal government is required to account for all funds spent. If the misappropriation of funds happen at the federal level, the state level and/or the local level, the responsibility is on the government. ADA is a federal law and funds are to be spent to enforce this law.

There is no need to expand the governments oversight if they would just butt out. There are many programs handled by the government that never should be, control of the educational system being one.

If you, Jiro, are stealing my money, then that is my fault for not watching my money. Government funds stolen from the government are the fault of the government, they should not let it happen in the first place.

**Jiro** · 05-07-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Nope, you have. The federal government is required to account for all funds spent. If the misappropriation of funds happen at the federal level, the state level and/our the local level, the responsibility is on the government. ADA is a federal law and finds are to be spent to enforce this law.

There is no need to expand the governments oversight if they would just butt out. There are many programs handled by the government that never should be, control of the educational system being one.

Of you, Jiro, are stealing my money, then that is my fault for not watching my money. Government funds stolen from the government are the fault of the government, they should not let it happen in the first place.

airportcop · 05-07-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

curious - are they mostly Republicans?

curious - where did it say that they were pocketing it or spending it on high school football fields or fancy stuff?

government greed? mismanagement?

in most cases, it's usually by couple of high-ranking government officials stealing some money for their personal uses or misusing the funds like GSA. any idea who were the culprits?

**saywhatkid** · 05-07-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

But congrats on destroying another thread.

Really? Or is it more like disagreeing with the largely Conservative block that still posts here? If not for Jiro, most of you could be high fiving each other as you beat down the Obamunists. I consider debating politics here to be an exercise in frustration. Same thing if I debate politics in a forum full of Liberals. Not really a debate so much as a ganging up.

Carry on.

Steinhauer · 05-07-2012, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I don't accept the claim from Alveda King, even I'm not advocating but just tell you a fact.

Steinhauer, if you dispute that so please present authentic source with document that did MLK publicly say he is republican? Any source from his families, especially Alveda King are not accepted.

My history professor told us that MLK is non-partisan, even official college encyclopedia and Wikipedia doesn't state MLK as republican because he doesn't publicly announce about whichever parties that he supports.

sure, here you go:

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"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"
Martin Luther King, Jr., registered Republican

It's rather amusing to hear liberals claim MLK as one of their own. But he was a Republican not a Democrat.

Frances Rice, of NBRA wrote this about MLK.

MLK FOUGHT FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND AGAINST DEMOCRATS

By Frances Rice

As we honor the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., let us pause to reflect on who he was and why his struggle to obtain civil rights for black Americans was necessary.

First, Dr. King was a Republican until the day he died because he knew that the Republican Party, from its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party, championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. For details on the history of civil rights, see the NBRA Civil Rights Newsletter posted on the NBRA's website.

Second, the nemesis of Dr. King's valiant and historic campaign to end discrimination and gain equality for blacks was the Democratic Party, the party of slavery, segregation and the Ku Klux Klan. Led by the former Senator and Klansman Robert Byrd, Democrats launched a despicable crusade to smear and undermine Dr. King. This relentless disparagement of Dr. King resulted in his being physically assaulted and ultimately to his tragic death.

When Dr. King left Memphis, Tennessee in March of 1968 after riots broke out where a teenager was killed, Byrd called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to Memphis and was assassinated on April 4, 1968.

Prior to his death, Democrats bombed Dr. King's home several times. The scurrilous efforts by the Democrats to harm Dr. King included spreading rumors that he was a Communist and accusing him of being a womanizer and a plagiarist.

An egregious act against Dr. King occurred on October 10, 1963. Democrat President John F. Kennedy authorized his brother, Democrat Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, to wiretap Dr. King's telephone using the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Wiretaps were placed by the FBI on Dr. King's telephones in his home and office. The FBI also bugged Dr. King's hotel rooms when he traveled around the country.

The trigger for this unsavory wiretapping was apparently Dr. Kings' criticism of President Kennedy for ignoring civil rights issues, according to the author David Garrow in his book, "Bearing the Cross". As was pointed out in the book by Wayne Perryman "Whites, Blacks and Racist Democrats", Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator. After Kennedy became president, he was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.

The justification given by the Kennedy Administration publicly for wiretapping Dr. King was that two of Dr. King's associates, including David Levinson, had ended their association with the Communist Party in order to work undercover and influence Dr. King. However, after years of continuous and extensive wiretapping, the FBI found no direct links of Dr. King to the Communist Party.

Kennedy's disdain for blacks further manifested itself when the King family sought help with getting Dr. King out of a Birmingham jail. Kennedy's civil rights advisor, Harris Wofford who was a personal friend of Dr. King, made a telephone call on behalf of Kennedy without Kennedy's knowledge. That call resulted in Dr. King's release. Kennedy was angry about the call because he feared he would lose the Southern vote. History shows, though, that the call by Wofford eventually worked in Kennedy's favor and is the primary reason so many blacks today wrongly venerate Kennedy.

The unrelenting efforts by Democrats to tarnish Dr. King's reputation continued for years after his death. To his credit, Republican President Ronald Reagan ignored the Democrats' smear campaign and made Dr. King's birthday a holiday.

Today, while professing to revere Dr. King, Democrats are still attempting to sully his image by claiming that he was a socialist. In reality, Dr. King was a Christian, guided by his faith and Republican Party principles as he struggled to gain equality for blacks. He did not embrace the type of socialist agenda that is promoted by the Democratic Party today, which includes fostering dependency on government handouts that trap blacks in generational poverty.

Frances Rice is a retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel, a lawyer and chairman of the National Black Republican Association. She may be contacted at: National Black Republican Association | National Black Republican Association

**Foxrac** · 05-07-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

sure, here you go:

That's not authentic source and NBRA made misinterpretation about MLK to save their embarrassment.

I'm looking for PUBLICLY announcement.

Steinhauer · 05-07-2012, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

That's not authentic source and NBRA made misled about MLK to save their embarrassment.

uh ... nope.

**Foxrac** · 05-08-2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

uh ... nope.

Make claim like that will result in expulsion from university.

Seriously, I have done with research about MLK for my history course and he is non-partisan, it means he doesn't publicly claim to be Republican or Democratic. I'm NOT KIDDING at all!!!

Steinhauer · 05-08-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Make claim like that will result in expulsion from university.

Seriously, I have done with research about MLK for my history course and he is non-partisan, it means he doesn't publicly claim to be Republican or Democratic. I'm NOT KIDDING at all!!!

Yeah, that is what the Democrats say

His own family said he was a republican .. geez. Makes sense that he was a Republican since the Democrats at the time were all segregationists and filled with KKK members. Ummm ... yeah, I am sure King was affiliated with them.

(not).

**Foxrac** · 05-08-2012, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Yeah, that is what the Democrats say

His own family said he was a republican .. geez. Makes sense that he was a Republican since the Democrats at the time were all segregationists and filled with KKK members. Ummm ... yeah, I am sure King was affiliated with them.

(not).

I'm not member of Democratic Party nor is Republican Party.

Not really, it is possible for their family to lies.

You need put southern before to Democrats.

PolitiFact Tennessee | Another Republican claims that Martin Luther King Jr. was part of the GOP

Final word: MLK no Republican | FalkenBlog | a Chron.com blog

It seems like you are very ignorant about Democratic Party.

Today, most KKK and pro-white hate group support Republican Party.

**TXgolfer** · 05-08-2012, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Really? Or is it more like disagreeing with the largely Conservative block that still posts here? If not for Jiro, most of you could be high fiving each other as you beat down the Obamunists. I consider debating politics here to be an exercise in frustration. Same thing if I debate politics in a forum full of Liberals. Not really a debate so much as a ganging up.

Carry on.

Guess we read that post differently....It didn't look like debating to me.

Steinhauer · 05-08-2012, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I'm not member of Democratic Party nor is Republican Party.

Not really, it is possible for their family to lies.

You need put southern before to Democrats.

PolitiFact Tennessee | Another Republican claims that Martin Luther King Jr. was part of the GOP

Final word: MLK no Republican | FalkenBlog | a Chron.com blog

It seems like you are very ignorant about Democratic Party.

Today, most KKK and pro-white hate group support Republican Party.

It seems you don't know your history very well.

I believe I used the term "dixiecrat" several times in this thread:

Dixiecrat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But congrats on derailing this thread anyways.

**Foxrac** · 05-08-2012, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

It seems you don't know your history very well.

I believe I used the term "dixiecrat" several times in this thread:

Dixiecrat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But congrats on derailing this thread anyways.

That's not true, I love to read history but you did misinterpretation about MLK and Democratic Party.

I already know about Dixiecrat and saying Dixiecrat is accurate if you try to make more specified, however I rather to say southern democrats because they seems more formal to say.

If your post is very clear at beginning so you will not get any backfire from other members.

**Jiro** · 05-08-2012, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

sure, here you go:

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Yeah, that is what the Democrats say

His own family said he was a republican .. geez. Makes sense that he was a Republican since the Democrats at the time were all segregationists and filled with KKK members. Ummm ... yeah, I am sure King was affiliated with them.

(not).

so.... all I got is hearsay so why don't we go down to actual source? MLK himself.

are you not able to produce any single source that MLK expressly and publicly stated that he was a Republican?

**saywhatkid** · 05-08-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Guess we read that post differently....It didn't look like debating to me.

Maybe not that particular post, but the inference that Jiro was a habitual troll. I really don't follow along closely any more. Differing views, supported by reputable sources, does not equal trolling. Making outlandish statements, and supporting them with blogs and biased websites, does equal trolling.

Just my opinion, as usual. No sources given.

Steinhauer · 05-08-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

have you been living under rock? or got hit by a rock in the head?

it is the local community that has been misusing the federal fund.

you actually want to expand federal government oversight and federal power?

I don't know if you're confused or something. This thread isn't about Washington DC stealing money from people... it's the local or state government stealing money from Washington

Actually, this thread is about a Judge who ruled that the State of Georgia discriminates against Deaf with disabilities.

Would like a link to support that?

**Jiro** · 05-08-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Actually, this thread is about a Judge who ruled that the State of Georgia discriminates against Deaf with disabilities.

Would like a link to support that?

and....

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I think it is the second wave of the DOJ cleaning house.

Hundreds of ADA violations found in Atlanta buildings *| ajc.com

Grayma · 05-08-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

might want to remind OP about it especially starting from Post #16.... or even from the beginning where I have repeatedly asked for facts for allegations as made in OP's subsequent posts.

You trust government far too much, and it's dangerous and naive. Politicians are human beings. Political power corrupts. And when government officials are given blind trust and little oversight, combined with lots of power and money- it's ridiculous to expect that being of one party or the other would somehow make them behave like saints. They are human beings and politicians, and generally the politician part comes first.

You are the one who turned this into a partisan thread once again. It's predictable and boring.

05-07-2012, 05:42 PM	#37 (permalink)
rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	If the "facts" you speak of come from post #9, I'll be happy to answer for you. No, not Reps., because we have a Dem. president and he is "the buck stops here". "Pocketing it or spending it" is a IMO, no answer required. government feed and mismanagement!!! I don't know which rock you have been hiding under but that had been going on all my life and my grandfather's too. What truth(s) are not being allow to come out? airportcop likes this.

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05-07-2012, 08:00 PM	#43 (permalink)
rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	Nope, you have. The federal government is required to account for all funds spent. If the misappropriation of funds happen at the federal level, the state level and/or the local level, the responsibility is on the government. ADA is a federal law and funds are to be spent to enforce this law. There is no need to expand the governments oversight if they would just butt out. There are many programs handled by the government that never should be, control of the educational system being one. If you, Jiro, are stealing my money, then that is my fault for not watching my money. Government funds stolen from the government are the fault of the government, they should not let it happen in the first place.