C.C.Sinned

ex-gfs are not always honest.

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Steinhauer

He punched her in the stomach and broke her collar bone ....allegedly.

Rodney King


It is interesting though that he was arrested in 2001 for being high on PCP and plead no contest.

C.C.Sinned

all the more reason to lie. King seems like a real scumbag.I do not doubt it. just not sure he was a crackhead because an ex says so. even if he was a crackhead he still should not of gotten a beating like that.

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Steinhauer

Absolutely right - he shouldn't have been beaten like that.

Yes, the officers went overboard. However, it was not like they were antagonized into it when Rodney started to assault them.

He was actually quite lucky - they could have just shot him.

I remember seeing a female officer with her gun aimed at his head in those tapes (maybe female - not sure)

Jiro

I'm not concerned with what officers thought. I'm talking about your claim. You claimed that he's a crackhead this and crackhead that at that time of beating and car chase.

clearly he wasn't under crack.

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Steinhauer

Per his gf's claim - already explained that. He was also in several rehab programs for PCP and crack and I am pretty sure there was a mix of other drugs as well.

Jiro

Antagonized? He was rolling around on ground in pain and he clearly was surrendering. but no..... officers kept on beating more and more because as you said before, he deserves it for endangering "hundreds of lives" by driving like a maniac.

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Jiro

I'm not concerned with what his gf claimed or what you think. I want FACTS. Was he under influence of crack at that time of car chase and beating? The fact is NO. Is he a crackhead? The fact is NO.

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airportcop

I remember those riots like they were yesterday. Sad time in our history as a nation. Glad to see the video and story. It was good.

We truly need to think of our selves as Americans and not black & white or whatever else. Have a good night all! I will sleep better now!

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Steinhauer

The fact is yes, he is a crackhead. I don't understand why you are disputing that when the rest of the entire planet knows.

Anyways ... I don't want to get into an argument with you - I have nothing against you personally - just let it go.

Steinhauer

Well said.

Bottesini

I think King talks about crack cocaine addiction in his new book.

I don't think it's anything he denies.

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Jiro

I'm talking about the time of beating.

no problem but it would behoove you to stick with facts that actually happened, not afterward or what you think.

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Steinhauer

Jiro - I have already explained - his ex gf said he was on crack at the time of the beating.

He might have possibly been on crack or PCP, or both when he slammed his SUV into a house in 2003 - those test results were never released, other than to claim he was intoxicated .... and, he was not arrested.


How can you not get arrested for driving 100 mph, hitting a utility pole then slamming into a house while intoxicated?


That just isn't ....... sane.

Steinhauer

yes - gotta give him kudos for being honest. He even admitted assaulting the officers before the beat down.

KristinaB

You can't always trust the ex. I have an ex-boyfriend who claims that I beat him while drunk with a tire iron. Only problem is, I wasn't drinking when I knew him. Also, the night he claims I did this, I was living in MO, not FL. He was in FL at the time.

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Jiro

the beatdown was not because of assault. it was because their superior and themselves want to punish him and think he deserves it all.

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Steinhauer

This might be hard for you to understand, I don't really know, but a lot of people believe he deserved it.

I am not one of them. No, he didn't deserve a beat down. I have actually witnessed a far more disturbing beat down of a white individual by white cops in Florida. Nobody cried foul then.

After the beat down, they hog tied him and threw him in a ditch while the officers stood around talking.

This was when I was about 19 years old.

A lot of the old timers will tell you what cops could do before the Rodney King riots. Justice was often served swiftly and violently.

Steinhauer

Totally and 110% agree with Reba - racism is racism regardless of color.

Jiro

No it is not hard for me to understand. I do understand their ulterior motive, racism, etc. I've been telling you all long that Rodney King does not deserve it because these officers are sworn to uphold the law. You agreed with them and support their action. Plenty of your posts showed that but now I'm very glad you agree with me that nobody especially Rodney King deserve a beatdown. It's illegal. plain and simple. that's why 2 officers went to jail.

yes. I'm aware of that. It's sad. That's what I've been saying all along - Racial Injustice. That's why L.A. riots happened. It's the result of decades of bottled-up deep anger due to racial injustice caused by white people in America. since then... time has changed a lot and LAPD command structure is more diverse.

what happened to this trucker was condemnable. I don't know if they got caught or not but if they did, I hope it's a life sentence.

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Steinhauer

Jiro - I never said I agreed with the officers actions in the Rodney King beatdown. You assumed I agreed with them.


I was asking you if you had agreed with what Rodney King had done - assaulted the officers prior to his beatdown. Driving while intoxicated in speeds of up to 115 mph the wrong way on a freeway.

Those actions right there will get ANYONE'S ass kicked - regardless of color. That is why I gave you the example of the beatdown I personally witnessed.

What those LAPD officers did was the "norm" for the era. Of course, it doesn't make it right. They would have done the same exact thing if Rodney King had been white, hispanic, jewish, asian, hindu ... ad infinitum. That was what I was trying to point out to you.

You keep making this about race. It had nothing to do about race. The same incidents happened to people of all races by the police - regardless of color.

The riots which ensued after the verdict were racially motivated. Denny was targetted by racist thugs. He was targetted because he was white.

Jiro

I gave you AMPLE amount of chance to clarify your statement which you did not answer my simple question. Anybody with reasonable common sense can see that you saying anybody who broke the law will have it coming and that's just too bad.

You did not condemn officers' actions. Your tone was basically like this - "oh well... he endangered hundreds of lives. he's a crackhead. he had it coming. oh well. tough luck. you don't wanna get beat up? don't break a law." That led me to believe you have no problem with whatever happened to Rodney King.

But now you've finally clearly stated your position in this matter and I'm very glad we share a same disbelief at illegal police beatdown.

no doubt. Just like Kelly Thomas.

Just because what you witnessed doesn't mean racial injustice isn't there anywhere.

You know that at that time in 90's, racial injustice was very strong especially in major metropolitan areas and the police forces and command structures were largely comprised of white people which was why Rodney King drove into populated area so that he would have witnesses watching them. Rodney King and every minorities knew what LAPD and NYPD were like. That's why we had several federal lawsuits and investigations in racial profiling and misuse of justice. it had proved that there is, in fact, racial injustice going on and federal government and Department of Justice have recognized it.

But if you still are claiming that there's really no racial injustice going on, then I don't know what to say. We can just agree to disagree.

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Calvin

Mod note:

Off-topic posts are cleaned up... now shall we get back on topic please?

If this continues again, the mods will lock the thread with no question asked.

Thanks.

Steinhauer

Jiro, I have to ask because I am not sure what you were trying to say. Are you claiming that Rodney King planned the beat down so the public would become aware of what the LAPD does?

If so, that has got to be one of the most foolish things any human being has ever had their claim to fame over.

I personally would not glorify Rodney King. He is a common thug ....a crackhead and wife beater.

The people who should be championed are the people who risked their lives to save others during the riots that Rodney King helped create.

Those rescuers had a lot more content to their character.

Jiro

I'll explain - in my previous post #145

Rodney King looks back without anger - CNN.com
As I said previously, back in 90's, racial injustice was very strong and real. many black communities know what would happen to them if nobody was watching. they most likely would end up either dead or severely beaten and police would trump up the charges - resisting arrest, assaulting police, etc. because at court, the charges would stick without questions most of time.

I agree. true heroes they are. It's a shame that it took violent riots to cause a dramatic change in LAPD structure and rest of America in response to racial injustice.

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Steinhauer

I still say the riots were racially motivated. It took a King to bring the races together, and another to tear them apart.

saywhatkid

So Rodney caused a riot by being filmed while he was beaten? What a racist!!!

Why not blame the guy with the camera? Are you gonna check to see if the cameraman was black first?

saywhatkid

I thought my post was right on the mark. It related to prejudgment. The only difference was that the prejudgment took place right here in AD.

My bad.

Grayma

Except that isn't justice.

I was living in Japan at the time of the Rodney King beatings. A friend of mine there is from LA. She was a white girl who had mouthed off to the cops once when they pulled her over for speeding.
She wouldn't ever talk about what happened after that, except to cry and say that LA cops were brutal thugs with badges.

Jiro's wrong, it is pretty clear that King was on something at the time of the beating, and that he had drug trouble before hand. King admits that himself.
That's true.
It's also true that this doesn't mean that he deserved what happened to him- and so far as I can tell, nobody *here* is saying that what the cops did was okay.

I don't know why some people have such a hard time understanding that both things can be true- King wasn't a choirboy, he had a drug problem *before* the beating, and the cops were totally and completely out of line.

Interesting thing I learned recently- Koreans don't really see the riots that followed this as a Black response to white cops, but as a black attack on innocent Korean bystanders.

Jiro

I know, right? I find that very interesting. I was around 10 years old at that time so I don't know much about it. I only remember 2 things - the beating of Rodney King and truck driver.

I had a talk with ADer who lived in ADer at that time and I was curious if LA riot was limited to very specific area or almost entire LA. It appears that it was mostly focused in Koreantown. I find it quite puzzling. Why Koreans?

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