Trayvon Case Investigation - Page 9

kokonut · 04-13-2012, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I see.

Nope. I am still waiting for all the facts. Perhaps Corey has more.....then again maybe she doesn't.

I'm still waiting, too...

**Jiro** · 04-13-2012, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Kind of funny, tho. Nothing conclusive by saying "perhaps" such and such which could go the other way to "perhaps not." Sounds open ended to me.

sure.

let's see....

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Yeah, I just read that not too long ago.

The money shot from the affidavit:

http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2012-04/69353440.pdf

Let's look at what a second-degree murder looks like under Florida law defined as:

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

And compare to what Dersh said and how there’s nothing to suggests there's probable cause to believe Zimmerman had a “depraved mind regardless of human life” when he shot Martin. So far, what has transpired based on available facts show them to be consistent with self-defense.

Perhaps what it may end up is that the 2nd degree murder charge won't fly.

such a verbose "conclusion".... and then one little "perhaps" line just to cover your ass.

why don't you grow some backbone?

airportcop · 04-13-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

Obama making that statement is not going to made diffidence in how the jury vote!!

Probably true since most people are already biased in this case. It will be hard to find an impartial jury.

Steinhauer · 04-13-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

sure.

let's see....

such a verbose "conclusion".... and then one little "perhaps" line just to cover your ass.

why don't you grow some backbone?

I can see how you would take the approach that people other than you should "use" their backbone (rather than grow some balls) seeing as how you have already decided Zimmerman is guilty and a threat to society. You have pre determined his guilt before the trial. You are part of a Lynch mob.

kokonut · 04-13-2012, 07:19 AM

Well said.

Meanwhile, we wait until we can see all of the evidence before passing judgement.

rolling7 · 04-13-2012, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I see.

Nope. I am still waiting for all the facts. Perhaps Corey has more.....then again maybe she doesn't.

She is the one and only one who has the right to pre-determine Zimmerman is guilty, it is her job. Justice demands the rest of us, all of us, wait to hear her evidence. Too bad some don't believe in justice and wait.

CrazyPaul · 04-13-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

No, Zimmerman confronted Martin in first place the put his life in fear and forced him to whatever in self defense.

LMAO...How do you know what happened? Were you there?

**Foxrac** · 04-13-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

LMAO...How do you know what happened? Were you there?

It is from news, they explains clearly.

Grayma · 04-13-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by naisho

I've seen some opinions on the "Stand your ground" Florida law. Some have suggested that the moment he ignored the relay operator's orders to not chase Trayvon, he invalidated the immunity.

I'm no expert in reading the law to determine this issue, but it seems like he has a lot going against him the moment he ignored the requests.

The relay operator did not issue any orders, and, in fact, has no authority to do so anyway.

The operator only said, "We don't need you to do that." And Zimmerman's response was, "Okay."

Grayma · 04-13-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

It is from news, they explains clearly.

Actually, no, your version isn't in the news at all. It's also not in the charges against Zimmerman.

Tousi · 04-13-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

It is from news, they explains clearly.

**Foxrac** · 04-13-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Grayma

Actually, no, your version isn't in the news at all. It's also not in the charges against Zimmerman.

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Both of you don't understand.

I already read numerous different news and Jiro's post.

Let me make clear.

George Zimmerman chose to ignore 911 dispatcher by following Trayvon Martin so Trayvon Martin became fear until George Zimmerman confronted Trayvon Martin, that leading Trayvon Martin to attack him as in self defense, eventually George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin to dead.

If you don't understand so I'm not going respect your correction because it is already on news and they explains about what happen. Go read news whatever you want instead bait on me.

CrazyPaul · 04-13-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

It is from news, they explains clearly.

News don't have evidences. Only law enforcements do but they won't tell the news about them. That's what Corey just said. What's more, that's what our courts are for. News are media, not justice dept. Nevertheless you can believe anything news say if you want.

**Foxrac** · 04-13-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

News don't have evidences. Only law enforcements do but they won't tell the news about them. That's what Corey just said. What's more, that's what our courts are for. News are media, not justice dept. Nevertheless you can believe anything news say if you want.

The news got much information from law enforcement as possible and Jiro explains everything as well.

CrazyPaul · 04-13-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

The news got much information from law enforcement as possible and Jiro explains everything as well.

You believe everything Jiro says, even though he may be wrong in some way. Hopefully he will admit it.

sara1981 · 04-13-2012, 12:14 PM

Zimmerman to seek bond in Trayvon Martin case
Zimmerman to seek bond in Trayvon Martin case - CNN.com

Bond issue next up as Zimmerman case progresses
Bond issue next up as Zimmerman case progresses - CBS News

we will kept update that story his court will be April 20 next friday

**Foxrac** · 04-13-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

You believe everything Jiro says, even though he may be wrong in some way. Hopefully he will admit it.

If jury finds George Zimmerman is guilty for second degree murder so it is over and he will not admit it, unless it is extreme case.

**Reba** · 04-13-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

right. and the prosecutor disagrees. that's why he's charged and he'll have his day in court.

Disagrees with what? The constitutional concept of "innocent until proven guilty?" I don't think so. Even the prosecutor has to follow the law.

The prosecutor believes that she has enough evidence to prove her case. However, the defendant is innocent until (and if) proven guilty. That doesn't change.

A prosecutor can't say, "He is guilty of murder in the second degree." The prosecutor can say, "We have the evidence to convict the defendant of murder in the second degree."

**Reba** · 04-13-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by naisho

I've seen some opinions on the "Stand your ground" Florida law. Some have suggested that the moment he ignored the relay operator's orders to not chase Trayvon, he invalidated the immunity.

I'm no expert in reading the law to determine this issue, but it seems like he has a lot going against him the moment he ignored the requests.

However, if, as he said, he was heading back to his car when Martin hit him, then Zimmerman was NOT standing his ground but was actually retreating.

CrazyPaul · 04-13-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Disagrees with what? The constitutional concept of "innocent until proven guilty?" I don't think so. Even the prosecutor has to follow the law.

The prosecutor believes that she has enough evidence to prove her case. However, the defendant is innocent until (and if) proven guilty. That doesn't change.

A prosecutor can't say, "He is guilty of murder in the second degree." The prosecutor can say, "We have the evidence to convict the defendant of murder in the second degree."

well said.

**Reba** · 04-13-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

To add.... That is just ridiculous.

why would anyone be expecting an alibi defense in a case where the defendant has not denied being at the scene.

I don't think she was implying that the alibi defense would be used in the Zimmerman case. She was just using that as a general example of how unexpected things can pop up during a trial.

**Reba** · 04-13-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

The cops told people that where doing the neighborhood watch not to bring a gun with them. If you are working with the police department the cops can tell you what to do.

According to one statement by Zimmerman, he wasn't out on neighborhood watch at that time. He said that he was going to the grocery store when he spotted Martin.

Report: Zimmerman told police teen punched him before fatal shooting - CNN.com

Therefor, Zimmerman was not in the capacity of a neighborhood watchman but was a private citizen going about his personal business. There's nothing wrong with carrying a weapon when going shopping at night.

Steinhauer · 04-13-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I would hope not.....but you may be right. After all she did say...

Let's not forget Wolfinger initially did not charge him - then Corey was appointed to the case after the public unrest, denied a grand jury indictment (because they would not have been very likely to indict).

**Reba** · 04-13-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Let's not forget Wolfinger initially did not charge him - then Corey was appointed to the case after the public unrest, denied a grand jury indictment (because they would not have been very likely to indict).

I believe that in Florida it's not required to convene a grand jury except in a charge of first degree murder.

**Jiro** · 04-13-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Disagrees with what? The constitutional concept of "innocent until proven guilty?" I don't think so. Even the prosecutor has to follow the law.

The prosecutor believes that she has enough evidence to prove her case. However, the defendant is innocent until (and if) proven guilty. That doesn't change.

A prosecutor can't say, "He is guilty of murder in the second degree." The prosecutor can say, "We have the evidence to convict the defendant of murder in the second degree."

The prosecutor disagrees with Zimmerman's "Stand Your Ground" defense. That's why she's charging him with 2nd-degree murder.

**Jiro** · 04-13-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I can see how you would take the approach that people other than you should "use" their backbone (rather than grow some balls) seeing as how you have already decided Zimmerman is guilty and a threat to society. You have pre determined his guilt before the trial. You are part of a Lynch mob.

so that means the Florida prosecution team is part of lynch mob too?

Steinhauer · 04-13-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so that means the Florida prosecution team is part of lynch mob too?

No - just you. you are not part of the prosecution team - sorry.

**Jiro** · 04-13-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

No - just you. you are not part of the prosecution team - sorry.

no I'm not part of prosecution team but I'm rooting for prosecution team since we all share same belief that the shooting was not justified.

Tousi · 04-13-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no I'm not part of prosecution team but I'm rooting for prosecution team since we all share same belief that the shooting was not justified.

More like a theory......

**Jiro** · 04-13-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

More like a theory......

call it whatever you want.

the fact still remains that prosecutor disagrees with Zimmerman's defense. that's why he's charged and brought to trial.

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Well said. Meanwhile, we wait until we can see all of the evidence before passing judgement.