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that's what I thought so. can you please properly transcribe it? only that specific part about affirmative defense.
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Yes ma'am, I am aware of that. The second transcript is more clear.
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The bold....exactly....that IS an affirmative defense. Alibi says the opposite. Remember when you posted this.. Quote:
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In response to question about whether Mr. Wolfinger would have arrived at the same conclusion: "I speak for Angela Corey and my prosecution team. This is the conclusion that we came to based on our review of the facts and evidence. I'm not sure they were through with the entire investigation at the point where Mr. Wolfinger recused himself from this case. We have to have a reasonable certainty of conviction before we file charges – any time there is an affirmative defense, and there are numerous affirmative defenses that can be asserted before the arrest, immediately after the arrest, during the trial. We’ve had them come up in the middle of trial, haven’t we? My fellow prosecutors that sit here, we’ve all faced this before. For example, alibi is an affirmative defense. Sometimes that gets put on us in the middle of a trial. So an affirmative defense always makes a prosecution more difficult. We do everything in our power to take the facts we have at hand and prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt." Last edited by Reba; 04-12-2012 at 01:02 PM. Reason: correcting one word |
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so with that... It is not I who are wrong. You are basically saying this prosecutor is wrong. I don't believe he/she misspoke. He/she is just saying "for example...... " and saying that defense lawyer will always every trick in his playbook just to make prosecutor's job harder.
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from Sara's link -
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life sentence without parole vs my pocket..... a very easy choice for me
but in Zimmerman's case, he has already gone thru several lawyers in a very short time. Most of them are a quack. He must have really gave up in life.
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one would think NRA or gun supporter groups would send in a pro-bono lawyer but since they're not touching this with a ten-foot pole.... looks like they suspect that Zimmerman's shooting isn't justified. or just didn't want to align themselves with a vigilante even if it's justified.
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Of course, he (Zimmerman) is already convicted by the black community....and if he is found "not guilty" by a jury....then again, the riots, shootings, marches, etc., etc., will erupt again. Whether Zimmerman is in fact guilty or not guilty, I honestly do not know....and a man's life is already hanging in the balance....one has already lost his, whether is was his own fault or not. |
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George Zimmerman appears before judge in Trayvon Martin case
George Zimmerman appears before judge in Trayvon Martin case - CNN.com Rodney King pleads for calm in Trayvon Martin case Rodney King pleads for calm in Trayvon Martin case - CNN.com Nation divided over Trayvon Martin case? Nation divided over Trayvon Martin case? - CNN.com
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Exactly, she is saying "for example.....". And the courts have said her example is wrong.
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The prosecutor was simply saying that they are prepared for that farce if defense lawyer uses it.
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You did inspire a new Condescending Wonka meme though.
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To add.... That is just ridiculous.
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Uh .... dude oh ... and the riots, the store raids .... the threats of riots ... the 2 million +++ screaming for Zimmerman to be arrested ... no ... no ... no duress there (good lord). |
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(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
New version: (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force unless there is significant public outcry or threat of civil unrest, and unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant. I don't mean to sound condescending (which means to talk down to) |
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Harvard Prof. Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit ‘Irresponsible And Unethical’ | Mediaite
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Is reporting suspicious behaviour now considered "profiling"? Also, the affidavit claims the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following Martin. The dispatcher NEVER gives that command. Once the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that", Zimmerman replied "Ok" and reportedly began walking back to his car when he was confronted by Martin. The prosecutor is trying to make it appear that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. What this means is ... do not report suspicious behaviour to the police or you will be "profiling" and if confronted in a violent manner - it's your own fault. Violent offenders apparently are not responsible for their own behaviour it seems. |
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The money shot from the affidavit: Quote:
Let's look at what a second-degree murder looks like under Florida law defined as: Quote:
And compare to what Dersh said and how there’s nothing to suggests there's probable cause to believe Zimmerman had a “depraved mind regardless of human life” when he shot Martin. So far, what has transpired based on available facts show them to be consistent with self-defense. Perhaps what it may end up is that the 2nd degree murder charge won't fly. Last edited by kokonut; 04-12-2012 at 09:23 PM. Reason: forgot to include link to affidavit |
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