airportcop

Only if they can prove it was a hate crime! Not yet! I doubt they can prove that he hates blacks and targeted Travon and that it was premeditated.

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airportcop

By the way, the cops can't tell anyone who has a concealed carry permit to not carry their gun.

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airportcop

Just keep convincing yourself about that! That is why he made the comment that if he had a son he would look like Travon. Also why Holder is involved. Election time!!!!

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Jiro

then you do understand that the feds are needed to be involved in order to investigate whether or not if it's a hate crime?

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kokonut

Yeah, pretty much what I said a month ago.

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CrazyPaul

As for now, GZ is charged for 2nd degree murder but he's innocent until proven guilty under the court law. We have to wait and see how he will plead when he first appears in the court. If he pleads not guilty, then a DA must prove that he didn't kill TM in self-defense.

I am curious what evidences they have to show in court. It reminds me of OJ's murder case. It must be thrilling to watch if the court will allow it in public hopefully.

CrazyPaul

Hey, Jiro, I have a question for you since you know alot about stuffs. Is a licensed gun owner allowed to carry a gun or leave it in a car for protection anywhere?

VacationGuy234

Depending on the jury, this case is going to ultimately be about individual experiences. The jury is going to vote largely with the guidance of personal experience. If they have been harassed by police and profiled in the past, it could be verdict of guilty of second degree murder. If they have not, it could range from not guilty to other options given by the judge. In the O.J. verdict, it was not based on the evidence so much as the fact that the jurors hated the police. The same will be true in this case, I believe.

The jury is going to be made up of the same people who are arguing about this case today.

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airportcop

Depends on what state you are in and where you go literally. Some buildings prohibit it such as schools and courthouses, lots of government buildings and some private businesses. Laws vary from state to state and even some in certain cities. So the basic answer to your question is no or it depends!

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Jiro

of COURSE he's going to plead not guilty. everybody does.

how does this share any similarity to OJ Simpson case?

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CrazyPaul

Thanks for the answer. I know any weapons are not allowed in those places but I was asking if it allows the owners to carry their gun outside of their homes like on the streets. However you said it depends on their states. The point is that Jiro said GZ shouldn't carry a licensed gun like that. Correct me if I am wrong.

Jiro

each state has different gun laws.

some states allow OC (open-carry meaning your gun is visible to public) anywhere. some states allow OC but restrictive.

some states allow CCW anywhere (except school ground and government buildings). some states allow CCW but restrictive.

some states allow carrying gun in the car for protection. some states prohibit it except transporting guns to certain locations such as shooting range but require you to keep your gun in locked container inside your car.

in my state, it's illegal to leave the gun inside the car for protection. the only time I can bring gun outside my residence is to transport it to shooting competition, gun store, or firing range and it has to be in locked container and kept in trunk. it would be illegal for me to defend myself in public if I got attacked and somehow I ran to my trunk, unlocked the container, loaded a gun, and then shot him.

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Jiro

no that's not what I said.

Zimmerman should not be carrying a gun if he's doing a Neighborhood Watch duty because it's against Neighborhood Watch's cardinal rules and it's a huge huge liability risk.

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Jiro

do you realize that such juror can be filtered out in the first place? both defense lawyer and prosecutor will heavily interview each juror and can remove them if they felt that juror is too emotional or mentally disturbed and cannot perform his/her duty in a lawful manner.

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CrazyPaul

Remember alot of us watched OJ's case on TV? So I think we will be watching GZ's case on TV, too if the court allows it. I am talking about popularity. I don't know if the world will watch it or not.

Some people plead guilty in order to get less sentences.

CrazyPaul

That's right. I reported to a jury duty once. A DA and a defendant lawyer asked them alot of questions before making selections. Especially the DA removed any juror whose member of the family or relative had trouble with police.

Jiro

ah-ha. I just remembered now. it's called "JURY SELECTION" process.

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Jiro

oh I gotcha. it's like Casey Anthony and Amanda Knox.

well that would not make any sense because if they want to get a lesser sentence, then they would plea bargain with prosecutor and forgo their rights to hearing.

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Grayma

I thought each side only had a certain number of jurors they could remove.

CrazyPaul

I think you are right but I wonder why 50 of us were called to show up while they needed 12 jurors plus a few back-ups.

TXgolfer

Courts disagree.

877 F.2d 556: United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee, v. Mae Braxton, Defendant-appellant :: US Court of Appeals Cases :: Justia

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Jiro

plenty enough to find a sensible person

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TXgolfer

Alot of people no show. Then you have people who are dismissed/excused by the court.

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George Zimmerman to face judge

George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch leader charged with second-degree
murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, is scheduled to face a Seminole
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Jiro

just asked my law friend. Corey's statement stands corrected although she disagreed. It is you who completely misunderstood the context and concept of it. Reread Post #147. If you still do not understand, feel free to call your lawyer and ask for clarification.

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TXgolfer

Hope they get to the truth......whatever it is.

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TXgolfer

Saw them this morning.... and was speaking to one when the charges were announced. They agree with me. I mean.....the language is pretty clear.

BTW they also said calling "Stand Your Ground" an affirmative defense would be an incorrect statement as SYG calls for a presumption of innocence. Not that they are claiming SYG applies.

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Grayma

Lawyers aren't looking for sensible people.

Selecting the Ideal Juror, by Andrew Rossetti , Esq., New Jersey Personal Injury Attorney

Jiro

Of course they disagreed with Corey. Every judge, prosecutor, and lawyer have their own legal opinion. My law friend works with US Attorney in Philly, involving in homicide/criminal cases.... which is why I asked her (but she disagreed). The ones you spoke to.... do they have experiences in homicide cases?

Let me help you understand what Corey meant in a homicide context. "Alibi is an affirmative defense." That means Zimmerman is not denying that he was there at the scene of shooting. In short - "I did it but I had a legal reason to".... which is Stand Your Ground. Although that sounds like an oxymoron but hey.. what do I know? Corey has seen all cheap tricks in lawyer's playbook and she's ready for it.

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Jiro

in Zimmerman's case, his lawyer is definitely looking for sensible people. Shooting unarmed boy? Gun + Neighborhood Watch? ouch!

I hope Zimmerman is not using a personal injury lawyer

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