rockin'robin

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Reba

That is funny how?

Does that mean that people are required to tell the truth only when under oath in a court of law?

Reba

Do you mean GZ had no ATM in his jail cell? Shocking!

Is that like an oregano hearing?

Maybe it is fun for some posters.



[Above comments are meant in good natured teasing. ]

rockin'robin

Yeah...it's like "they" are saying GZ had his ATM card in his wallet and was let out of his cell every hour to "check his balance"....GZ was totally devastated, depressed and I feel that $$ was the last thing that was on his mind. What he is enduring is enuf to make anyone lose their mind.

Jiro

lying in court is a perjury.
lying to police is an obstruction to justice.

in a murder case, it's not in Zimmerman's best interest to lie in any matter.

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Jiro

so.... how did he pay for bond before he got out of jail? if someone took $5,000 out of PayPal account to pay for bond partially... Zimmerman didn't question it?

Zimmerman got out of jail and spent some of it on living expenses so about $150,000 remains. and he didn't bother to disclose it much earlier?

$54,000 has been spent in a very short time. very suspicious.

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rolling7

Have you heard about the second mortgage?
If there really was a huge PayPal at the time of the bail hearing, why go to the trouble of a second mortgage?

Why can't everyone wait on the judge?

Waterboy

Lying is a part of the legal process? Okay. Mind finding something in the legal codes to show that lying is a part of the legal process?

Waterboy

His parents took out a second mortgage for $10,000 of the money that had to be paid on the bond. George paid $5,000 out of the Paypal accounts. His attorney has already said that.

To keep up the subterfuge. George claimed he was indigent; his parents claimed they didn't have much savings and would have to mortgage their house to make his bail. If George all a sudden came up with $15,000 without his parents taking out a second mortgage, suspicion would have been high.

Waterboy

In this case, we are talking about lying on a sworn statement and deceiving the court.

Waterboy

Since this is a case where he is asking the judge and the jury to believe his story on no more than his word, he really doesn't look good on his credibility.

rolling7

You make a good point but why not save your breath/text until the judge decides what to do? Nothing to gain from making texts based on assumptions.

Waterboy

$49,000 for rent and living expenses? Sure. Not adding up.

Waterboy

The judge is deciding whether to raise or revoke bail. I haven't commented on that.

rolling7

Only two choices? Would you consider that the judge will leave it as is?

VacationGuy234

More a set of guidelines than actual rules, after all, the law is decided by common men and women who, in the time of a trial, can scarcely be schooled in the intricacies of law.

Call it an omission if you don't like the word lie, but it is what it is.

At the end of the day, two sides are going to tell two mostly fictitious or loosely accurate stories and a group of people are going to decide whose is better. Because, of the people who know the truth, one is no longer around and the other is facing life in prison.

To answer Robins' question, "and?", they are both innocent and both guilty. Just as it is possible that you can do everything right in life and still fail because, that is, in fact, life.

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Waterboy

Possible. Also just as possible that he will raise it or revoke it. He wouldn't have to be making a decision about it at all if George had just been honest about the money in the Paypal accounts to start with. But then, if he had been honest, his bail probably would have been a lot higher. Pretty good reason to not tell his lawyer or the judge about how much money he really had.

Waterboy

People who tell false stories to a court of law go to jail for perjury.

In this case, the one is dead and the other is facing prison. That isn't all cases.

Yeah, who has more reason to lie? The one facing prison. Who needs the jury to believe his story? The one facing prison. Getting caught in lies and failures to provide information is not the way to show a jury that you are honest. It is the way to show them you are a liar. So, not a smart move on Zimmerman's part. But, neither was getting out of his car to chase down an unarmed kid.

VacationGuy234

For the record:
Bill Clinton: Nope
Oliver North: Nada
Barry Bonds: Not happening
Richard Nixon: Ya think?
Rapheal Palmiro: Care to guess?

There are people who go to prison for it, yes, but it usually accompanies another charge.

If you want someone to say Zimmerman lied, I'll say it, he lied. However, it still doesn't answer the question of whether he had a right to defend himself, does it?

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rolling7

Got any proof GZ was not being honest? The judge is looking into it wisely but you, unwisely, have already declared him guilty. Somehow you appointed yourself the law of the land.

kokonut

Unless you have access to all of the facts at hand saying a person is guilty is only but an opinion which is no greater or less than any other opinions out there.

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"... turns out they are telling the truth."

rockin'robin

Exactly!...It's as if the OP wants us to think...GZ lied!....Has no credibility, etc., etc. ...credibility is the last thing some people should talk/harp about when they need to clean up their own backyard!

Foxrac

Part of deal with Reba, I rather to stay away from situation with George Zimmerman until court, so why are you bother to discuss about George Zimmerman and attacking other members whoever disagree with them.

Attacking members to get agree or understandable about situation isn't making any better and you can be banned for violation of forum rule. It is better to walk away if you disagree with them and the side probably have strong opinion against George Zimmerman.

When I say something about George Zimmerman leading some members to be upset and took too personality.

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rolling7

Oh, I don't know.........seems that some think their opinion carries far much weight than others.

Foxrac

Why are you provoking this member to deemed be Jillio?

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Reba

I still don't see what's funny about that.

Have you seen a copy of the sworn statement? Do you know the exact timeline of all the events pertaining to the statement?

We'll see how the judge decides. It's up to him.

KristinaB

to this whole thread.

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Reba

The jury isn't present for the bail hearing and arraignment.

We don't even know if he will testify in court.

The defense attorney usually presents more than just "his story" or "his word." They will most likely include other witnesses and forensic evidence, too.

Reba

Is that what the judge said? He might decide to do neither, right?

Reba

Some people don't care about the AD rules. It's just a game for them. They have no respect for forum rules or for forum members.