Living the Deaf Life

***Alex*** · 03-26-2003, 03:00 PM

I still remember the first time I jumped in the school bus, only this time the bus were carrying deaf students, and there was this kid sitting on the front seat. His name was Clarence, and not only was he profoundly deaf, but he was my very first deaf friend ever.

Signing took effect everywhere in every class I went to. It was totally overwhelming to me because I didn't know how to do the ABC's in sign language. I was used to talking and reading lips, and I felt like an outcast. However, it wasn't long until I learned certain words, and within weeks, I was socializing with my new deaf friends. I thought it was so cool being a part of the deaf community. That's when I realized I best fit in the deaf world.

When I reached my teenage years, things changed and I was placed in a mainstreamed high school with a deaf program. Remember the first day of school, you would get all dressed up, you were tired from the lack of sleep the night before because you couldn't stop thinking who you'll ride on the bus with this year or who you'll bump into in high school, and felt the excitement in the air? Well, I do.

Anyway, that was also the first time I experienced discrimination from the hearing high school students. Every now and then I would hear someone mimic a deaf student and the laughter coming from other hearing students. Knowing I had the advantage of both hearing and deaf world, I felt it was my job to defend my deaf friends, so I'd go up to them and start arguments/fights. After a while, it became natural to me. Of course, I would get suspended for my actions, but I didn't care -- nobody is going to disrespect a deaf person because he/she can't hear or talk, or both.

After high school graduation, then came the college years, and, again, it was a whole new experience to me. All these beautiful chicks walking about in the hallways. Aow! I felt so much independent, you could do your homework anytime you want as long as you get it done before deadline. That's where responsibility came in. Everyone seemed friendly and open minded, there was no discrimination at all, at least I haven't seen any yet. But, that's when betrayal and backstabbing and rumors from deaf people came into place.

Surely, it's nothing new, and it's been that way for a long time, but I've never had serious problems with my deaf friends before. It was personal this time. Like, I would notice how there were two sides: the good and the bad, and you had to pick one. It's like WWE, all for the purpose of entertainment and drama. In the hearing world, nobody cares, nobody pays any attention to little conflicts or problems, they just move on with their lives. In the deaf world, everything gets personal, everyone knows you by reputation, even if they heard untrue stories about you. They judge you, you are labeled as "good" or "bad", and they tend to side up with another to feel powerful. How lame, how pathetic, and how childish is that!? I still managed to survive through all the unnecessary drama, and still love my deaf community. I figure it's the Deaf culture.

Working in the real world wasn't as challenging as I thought it'd be. Maybe it's because I have the advantage to hear and speak, unlike most deaf people. No offense, my friends. But not always would I pick up every word my manager would say, and when I asked them to please repeat, they would kindly do so. Talk about professionalism and respect. Since then, I wasn't involved in the deaf community as much as I wanted to. That's when I created DeafModels.com and AllDeaf.com I figure I'd want to do something positive for the Deaf.

Now, all the drama and backstabbing and betrayal has come back. There are two sides again; the bad and the good. I am loved and hated. It's funny, or rather pathetic, how people are different online than they are in real life. They have two personalities. It's like, in real life you're really this down to earth type of guy, whereas online you're an asshole. I'm not saying this applies to everyone, but you know who you are. Learn to treat others the way you would like to be treated, and being online shouldn't be any different. If you don't give a flying fuck or two, or if it makes you feel macho talking all this trash, then you're just pathetic. Plain and simple.

Living the Deaf life taught me a lot. I learned all aspects of the Deaf culture, whether they were good or bad. I learned the advantages of being deaf and the disadvantages. The Deaf culture is part of who I am, and I'm damn proud of it.

MDCodeRedFreak · 03-26-2003, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by Alex
I still remember the first time I jumped in the school bus, only this time the bus were carrying deaf students, and there was this kid sitting on the front seat. His name was Clarence, and not only was he profoundly deaf, but he was my very first deaf friend ever.

Signing took effect everywhere in every class I went to. It was totally overwhelming to me because I didn't know how to do the ABC's in sign language. I was used to talking and reading lips, and I felt like an outcast. However, it wasn't long until I learned certain words, and within weeks, I was socializing with my new friends. I thought it was so cool being a part of the deaf community. That's when I realized I best fit in the deaf world.

When I reached my teenage years, things changed and I was placed in a mainstreamed high school with a deaf program. Remember the first day of school, you would get all dressed up, you were tired from the lack of sleep the night before because you couldn't stop thinking who you'll ride on the bus with this year or who you'll bump into in high school, and felt the excitement in the air? Well, I do.

Anyway, that was also the first time I experienced discrimination from the hearing high school students. Every now and then I would hear someone mimic a deaf student and the laughter coming from other hearing students. Knowing I had the advantage of both hearing and deaf world, I felt it was my job to defend my deaf friends, so I'd go up to them and start arguments/fights. After a while, it became natural to me. Of course, I would get suspended for my actions, but I didn't care -- nobody is going to disrespect a deaf person because he/she can't hear or talk, or both.

After high school graduation, then came the college years, and, again, it was a whole new experience to me. All these beautiful chicks walking about in the hallways. Aow! I felt so much independent, you could do your homework anytime you want as long as you get it done before deadline. That's where responsibility came in. Everyone seemed friendly and open minded, there was no discrimination at all, at least I haven't seen any yet. But, that's when betrayal and backstabbing and rumors from deaf people came into place.

Surely, it's nothing new, and it's been that way for a long time, but I've never had serious problems with my deaf friends before. It was personal this time. Like, I would notice how there were two sides: the good and the bad, and you had to pick one. It's like WWE, all for the purpose of entertainment and drama. In the hearing world, nobody cares, nobody pays any attention to little conflicts or problems, they just move on with their lives. In the deaf world, everything gets personal, everyone knows you by reputation, even if they heard untrue stories about you. They judge you, you are labeled as "good" or "bad", and they tend to side up with another to feel powerful. How lame, how pathetic, and how childish is that!? I still managed to survive through all the unnecessary drama, and still love my deaf community. I figure it's the Deaf culture.

Working in the real world wasn't as challenging as I thought it'd be. Maybe it's because I have the advantage to hear and speak, unlike most deaf people. No offense, my friends. But not always would I pick up every word my manager would say, and when I asked them to please repeat, they would kindly do so. Talk about professionalism and respect. Since then, I wasn't involved in the deaf community as much as I wanted to. That's when I created DeafModels.com and AllDeaf.com I figure I'd want to do something positive for the Deaf.

Now, all the drama and backstabbing and betrayal has come back. There are two sides again; the bad and the good. I am loved and hated. It's funny, or rather pathetic, how people are different online than they are in real life. They have two personalities. It's like, in real life you're really this down to earth type of guy, whereas online you're an asshole. I'm not saying this applies to everyone, but you know who you are. Learn to treat others the way you would like to be treated, and being online shouldn't be any different. If you don't give a flying fuck or two, or if it makes you feel macho talking all this trash, then you're just pathetic. Plain and simple.

Living the Deaf life taught me a lot. I learned all aspects of the Deaf culture, whether they were good or bad. I learned the advantages of being deaf and the disadvantages. The Deaf culture is part of who I am, and I'm damn proud of it.

*whistles* wow ..... good post u got there - heh

ChelEler · 03-26-2003, 03:09 PM

Wow, beautiful speech!

Did you say all these when you present yourself to an audience about your entire life, eh? If it was me, I will! Bravo for you to stand up in what you believe and support!

I'm proud to be deaf too!

wildzerica06 · 03-26-2003, 03:16 PM

way to go

Stevey Boy · 03-26-2003, 03:20 PM

Bravo, Alex!

I like your well-done speech about your bridge to the both worlds: deaf and hearing.

Speaking of rumors in Deaf World, I believe there more much worse than Hollywood's rumors and gossips. I know that there are some people I don't know them would talk about me behind my back anytime.

***Alex*** · 03-26-2003, 03:23 PM

Thanks all. I didn't present that speech anywhere except here. Just wanted to speak my mind about what the Deaf life is in my own eyes.

By the way, here's a picture of me and Clarence, my very first deaf friend ever and former best friend.

03-26-2003, 03:25 PM

good speak way to go Alex

ALEX

ChelEler · 03-26-2003, 03:40 PM

Hey, Alex... when you have a chance to speak to an audience about your life, GRAB IT! I'm sure they'll fall for it.

allisonjoy · 03-26-2003, 03:41 PM

You simply said it beautifully.

LeviathanC · 03-26-2003, 04:19 PM

Way to go, Alex!

Lukbo · 03-26-2003, 04:52 PM

Very interesting... Good one, Alex!

OldNavyGirl · 03-26-2003, 05:29 PM

Nice going, Good job, Alex.

DefMATRIXense · 03-26-2003, 05:36 PM

Alex, what a nice speech you had. By the way, is it me or you mentioned "former best friend" with clarence. If it's true, how did that happen? Am I missing something? that's ok if you dont have to tell me..

03-26-2003, 05:48 PM

Great speech, makes us think about it.

Good job Alex

sweetstrawberry · 03-26-2003, 08:48 PM

great speech!.

Ironheartz · 03-26-2003, 08:53 PM

Way to go, Alex! That was a powerful, stirring speech! You ought to be a public speaker!

***VamPyroX*** · 03-26-2003, 10:45 PM

Wow... very moving! I liked that. I know exactly how you feel. I went through the same thing too.

eternity · 03-26-2003, 10:49 PM

Vamprox, Make an excellent speech like him. If that is possible ?

Teekie · 03-26-2003, 11:03 PM

Nice speech, Alex.

***Alex*** · 03-27-2003, 12:02 AM

Once again, thank you all for the positive feedback!

DefMATRIXense: Betrayal. I lost his trust. We're still friends nowadays, though.

e · 03-27-2003, 12:06 AM

BRAVO, il mio amore!!! That was great speech! You have a lot of positives about deaf cultures. I really admire you. I'll buy you a drink this Friday!

Waz · 03-27-2003, 05:47 AM

Great Speech Bro,

Shall i tell my first introduce of meeting deaf!.

here it is.. hope my speech can come very understanding for all of you!

I remember in Sept 1984 as i attend to Hawthorn school for Hearing Impaired as i never met a deaf in my whole life as i was oral and severe deaf. i got in the school bus and saw aload of kids signing all over the place and said wat the hell it that as i was only 6 year old and one of the deaf boy name Alexander as he was 2 year older than me and he start doin all those signing thing as i said ermm i am sorry i dont know wat it that and alexander lipread to me sayin cant u sign and u can only talk as i was amaze i can lipread as i can hear his voice was very strange and not a normal voice at all and starting freakin me out. and he keep lipreadin to me but when i lipread back he doesnt appear to understand but alway sat next to me and told all the deafies in sign language sayin say hi to me as everyone come sayin hi and signin to me as i told alexander wat did he say as he lipread i forgot ur name i said oh i am waheed but he think i said william nevermind, then i attend to school and fear maybe my teacher cant talk too and puzzle why my mom and dad send me to damn wrong school!. Met the teacher and she was lovely and talk and sign to the children at the same time make me understand and start pickin up sign language and now i can communicated very well, and started to sign and alway happy and told my parent this is Alexander he is my first friend and he make me feel comfortable as my parent was so pleased but one year later my dad told me a bad news, sayin we all have to immigrant to new jersey coz my dad got a new managering director job there as i was so disappointed and say goodbye to all my good friend and my close pal a big hugs and said i will see u again, i move to new jersey and dad found me one school called mountain lake or lake drive i dunno which school it that as i cannot remember and i met one deaf friend there name Juan i cannot remember the spelling as he was doin american sign language or could be esl or see, and settle there for one year and mainly oral in that school which i can speak.. abt 2 year later my dad said he brough 4 firm in england and said u are goin back to uk, as i wasnt happy at all coz i am started to settle in new jersey and now i have to learn how to settle in england again, so i say goodbye to all the friend which it is very bad as i forgotten all the name now, and move back to england and dad send me to the same school and try to find alexander but couldnt find him and then my school teacher said he immigrant for good in New York as Alexander is the only one true friend i ever met also my first friend, i truly miss him and now day i still cannot find him tryin to look at classmate.com and everywhere by google.com, if any of u know who Alexander pls do tell me must be profoundly deaf and he is half indian and half spanish! .

That how i learn abt deaf cultures and started to used BSL alot due to become profound deaf at age 13 and alway proud of been in deaf cultures, i could alway imagine if Alexander never introduce me or talk to me i wouldnt like this school and like those people!

BabyPhat21 · 03-27-2003, 06:55 PM

Long post, well I am taking a Deaf Culture class, If any one can help me out here or advice...would be appreciated.......

wildzerica06 · 03-27-2003, 07:19 PM

waz-

next time make it shorter for us to read it

thanks I appericate it hehe

Erica

Waz · 03-27-2003, 07:21 PM

Ermm I will try my best!

BabyPhat21 · 03-27-2003, 07:21 PM

I also created a thread about Deaf Culture in the debate forum

KingDragon · 03-27-2003, 07:23 PM

03-26-2003, 03:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
*Alex* Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,133 Blog Entries: 1	Living the Deaf Life I still remember the first time I jumped in the school bus, only this time the bus were carrying deaf students, and there was this kid sitting on the front seat. His name was Clarence, and not only was he profoundly deaf, but he was my very first deaf friend ever. Signing took effect everywhere in every class I went to. It was totally overwhelming to me because I didn't know how to do the ABC's in sign language. I was used to talking and reading lips, and I felt like an outcast. However, it wasn't long until I learned certain words, and within weeks, I was socializing with my new deaf friends. I thought it was so cool being a part of the deaf community. That's when I realized I best fit in the deaf world. When I reached my teenage years, things changed and I was placed in a mainstreamed high school with a deaf program. Remember the first day of school, you would get all dressed up, you were tired from the lack of sleep the night before because you couldn't stop thinking who you'll ride on the bus with this year or who you'll bump into in high school, and felt the excitement in the air? Well, I do. Anyway, that was also the first time I experienced discrimination from the hearing high school students. Every now and then I would hear someone mimic a deaf student and the laughter coming from other hearing students. Knowing I had the advantage of both hearing and deaf world, I felt it was my job to defend my deaf friends, so I'd go up to them and start arguments/fights. After a while, it became natural to me. Of course, I would get suspended for my actions, but I didn't care -- nobody is going to disrespect a deaf person because he/she can't hear or talk, or both. After high school graduation, then came the college years, and, again, it was a whole new experience to me. All these beautiful chicks walking about in the hallways. Aow! I felt so much independent, you could do your homework anytime you want as long as you get it done before deadline. That's where responsibility came in. Everyone seemed friendly and open minded, there was no discrimination at all, at least I haven't seen any yet. But, that's when betrayal and backstabbing and rumors from deaf people came into place. Surely, it's nothing new, and it's been that way for a long time, but I've never had serious problems with my deaf friends before. It was personal this time. Like, I would notice how there were two sides: the good and the bad, and you had to pick one. It's like WWE, all for the purpose of entertainment and drama. In the hearing world, nobody cares, nobody pays any attention to little conflicts or problems, they just move on with their lives. In the deaf world, everything gets personal, everyone knows you by reputation, even if they heard untrue stories about you. They judge you, you are labeled as "good" or "bad", and they tend to side up with another to feel powerful. How lame, how pathetic, and how childish is that!? I still managed to survive through all the unnecessary drama, and still love my deaf community. I figure it's the Deaf culture. Working in the real world wasn't as challenging as I thought it'd be. Maybe it's because I have the advantage to hear and speak, unlike most deaf people. No offense, my friends. But not always would I pick up every word my manager would say, and when I asked them to please repeat, they would kindly do so. Talk about professionalism and respect. Since then, I wasn't involved in the deaf community as much as I wanted to. That's when I created DeafModels.com and AllDeaf.com I figure I'd want to do something positive for the Deaf. Now, all the drama and backstabbing and betrayal has come back. There are two sides again; the bad and the good. I am loved and hated. It's funny, or rather pathetic, how people are different online than they are in real life. They have two personalities. It's like, in real life you're really this down to earth type of guy, whereas online you're an asshole. I'm not saying this applies to everyone, but you know who you are. Learn to treat others the way you would like to be treated, and being online shouldn't be any different. If you don't give a flying fuck or two, or if it makes you feel macho talking all this trash, then you're just pathetic. Plain and simple. Living the Deaf life taught me a lot. I learned all aspects of the Deaf culture, whether they were good or bad. I learned the advantages of being deaf and the disadvantages. The Deaf culture is part of who I am, and I'm damn proud of it.

03-26-2003, 03:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
ChelEler Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wyoming Posts: 5,514	Wow, beautiful speech! Did you say all these when you present yourself to an audience about your entire life, eh? If it was me, I will! Bravo for you to stand up in what you believe and support! I'm proud to be deaf too! __________________ --ChelEler--

03-26-2003, 03:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
wildzerica06 -Erica- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: california Posts: 4,124 Blog Entries: 2	Bravo ALEX!!!! way to go

03-26-2003, 03:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
*Alex* Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,133 Blog Entries: 1	Thanks all. I didn't present that speech anywhere except here. Just wanted to speak my mind about what the Deaf life is in my own eyes. By the way, here's a picture of me and Clarence, my very first deaf friend ever and former best friend. __________________ "Kindness is a language which the deaf can hear and the blind can read." - Mark Twain

03-26-2003, 03:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
ChelEler Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wyoming Posts: 5,514	Hey, Alex... when you have a chance to speak to an audience about your life, GRAB IT! I'm sure they'll fall for it. __________________ --ChelEler--

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03-26-2003, 03:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
Stevey Boy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,853	Bravo, Alex! I like your well-done speech about your bridge to the both worlds: deaf and hearing. Speaking of rumors in Deaf World, I believe there more much worse than Hollywood's rumors and gossips. I know that there are some people I don't know them would talk about me behind my back anytime.

03-26-2003, 03:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
GoldenLeaf74 Guest Posts: n/a	good speak way to go Alex ALEX

03-26-2003, 03:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
allisonjoy t e d d y s GIRL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: rhodey isle Posts: 1,124	You simply said it beautifully.

03-26-2003, 04:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
LeviathanC Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,312	Way to go, Alex!

03-26-2003, 04:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
Lukbo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 17	Very interesting... Good one, Alex!

03-26-2003, 05:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
OldNavyGirl Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Somewhere in Illinois Posts: 3,558	Nice going, Good job, Alex. __________________ what does friendship really mean to you?

03-26-2003, 05:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
DefMATRIXense Am I a legendary Link? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, Florida & Union City, New Jersey Posts: 1,369	Alex, what a nice speech you had. By the way, is it me or you mentioned "former best friend" with clarence. If it's true, how did that happen? Am I missing something? that's ok if you dont have to tell me.. __________________ Am I now the highest speed internet leader? This is only Nintendo WII.

03-26-2003, 05:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
kuifje75 Guest Posts: n/a	Great speech, makes us think about it. Good job Alex

03-26-2003, 08:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
sweetstrawberry Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 410	great speech!.

03-26-2003, 08:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
Ironheartz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 110	Way to go, Alex! That was a powerful, stirring speech! You ought to be a public speaker!

03-26-2003, 10:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hell Posts: 25,511	Wow... very moving! I liked that. I know exactly how you feel. I went through the same thing too. __________________ Check out my city... CLICK HERE! (If you already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

03-26-2003, 10:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
eternity :naughty: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,611	Vamprox, Make an excellent speech like him. If that is possible ?

03-26-2003, 11:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
Teekie ~Mommie Teekie~ Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,929	Nice speech, Alex.

03-27-2003, 12:02 AM	#20 (permalink)
*Alex* Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,133 Blog Entries: 1	Once again, thank you all for the positive feedback! DefMATRIXense: Betrayal. I lost his trust. We're still friends nowadays, though. __________________ "Kindness is a language which the deaf can hear and the blind can read." - Mark Twain

03-27-2003, 12:06 AM	#21 (permalink)
e AD First Lady Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Neeewwwww Yawk! Posts: 1,138	BRAVO, il mio amore!!! That was great speech! You have a lot of positives about deaf cultures. I really admire you. I'll buy you a drink this Friday!

03-27-2003, 05:47 AM	#22 (permalink)
Waz Ex Super ***erator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Birmingham, West Midland Posts: 685	Great Speech Bro, Shall i tell my first introduce of meeting deaf!. here it is.. hope my speech can come very understanding for all of you! I remember in Sept 1984 as i attend to Hawthorn school for Hearing Impaired as i never met a deaf in my whole life as i was oral and severe deaf. i got in the school bus and saw aload of kids signing all over the place and said wat the hell it that as i was only 6 year old and one of the deaf boy name Alexander as he was 2 year older than me and he start doin all those signing thing as i said ermm i am sorry i dont know wat it that and alexander lipread to me sayin cant u sign and u can only talk as i was amaze i can lipread as i can hear his voice was very strange and not a normal voice at all and starting freakin me out. and he keep lipreadin to me but when i lipread back he doesnt appear to understand but alway sat next to me and told all the deafies in sign language sayin say hi to me as everyone come sayin hi and signin to me as i told alexander wat did he say as he lipread i forgot ur name i said oh i am waheed but he think i said william nevermind, then i attend to school and fear maybe my teacher cant talk too and puzzle why my mom and dad send me to damn wrong school!. Met the teacher and she was lovely and talk and sign to the children at the same time make me understand and start pickin up sign language and now i can communicated very well, and started to sign and alway happy and told my parent this is Alexander he is my first friend and he make me feel comfortable as my parent was so pleased but one year later my dad told me a bad news, sayin we all have to immigrant to new jersey coz my dad got a new managering director job there as i was so disappointed and say goodbye to all my good friend and my close pal a big hugs and said i will see u again, i move to new jersey and dad found me one school called mountain lake or lake drive i dunno which school it that as i cannot remember and i met one deaf friend there name Juan i cannot remember the spelling as he was doin american sign language or could be esl or see, and settle there for one year and mainly oral in that school which i can speak.. abt 2 year later my dad said he brough 4 firm in england and said u are goin back to uk, as i wasnt happy at all coz i am started to settle in new jersey and now i have to learn how to settle in england again, so i say goodbye to all the friend which it is very bad as i forgotten all the name now, and move back to england and dad send me to the same school and try to find alexander but couldnt find him and then my school teacher said he immigrant for good in New York as Alexander is the only one true friend i ever met also my first friend, i truly miss him and now day i still cannot find him tryin to look at classmate.com and everywhere by google.com, if any of u know who Alexander pls do tell me must be profoundly deaf and he is half indian and half spanish! . That how i learn abt deaf cultures and started to used BSL alot due to become profound deaf at age 13 and alway proud of been in deaf cultures, i could alway imagine if Alexander never introduce me or talk to me i wouldnt like this school and like those people!

03-27-2003, 06:55 PM	#23 (permalink)
BabyPhat21 Sex Univ. Head Mistress Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CALI Posts: 3,109	Long post, well I am taking a Deaf Culture class, If any one can help me out here or advice...would be appreciated.......

03-27-2003, 07:19 PM	#24 (permalink)
wildzerica06 -Erica- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: california Posts: 4,124 Blog Entries: 2	waz- next time make it shorter for us to read it thanks I appericate it hehe Erica

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Waz Ex Super ***erator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Birmingham, West Midland Posts: 685	Ermm I will try my best!

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BabyPhat21 Sex Univ. Head Mistress Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CALI Posts: 3,109	I also created a thread about Deaf Culture in the debate forum

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