Video Card & PSU "12V Rails" mean? - Page 2

Zeroblazer21 · 02-28-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rhr

IT IS 15 AMP, ONLY PLUG ONE TO WALL PLATE NOT USE OUTLET or SURGE PROTECTOR

if you say no matter, you get risk up to you, I not help you sorry yourself go 1200 watt on outlet

whoa whoa whoa, you are completely wrong. every psu had a PFC. pfc mean power factor correction. it is a effective saving bills and second, some power surge is effecive worth saving. and for bulbs. if you really want a best effective saving for your bills. i would recommend a smart energy saving at 30 to 45 watts and for if you want a expensive best bulds. i would choose LEDS bulbs. they're 5-8 watts around. thats huge saving bills. my custom pc had a 750 watts. and it use a 40 to 80 watts. understand this. power supply is ampify to get more power like 500 to 1000 watts. thats no big deal. lmao! i cant believe some deafs like you to pretend you know everythings about psu. i recommend you to go learn in school again.

Dr. Mario · 02-28-2012, 03:34 PM

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Zeroblazer21's right. I have torn apart few tossed-out PC PSUs in the past. Those are switchmode power supply. For 1kW, only 12 Amps is drawn, largely due to the resistance and reactance of both the transformer and MOSFET (or IGBT), which at 45 to 255 kilohertzs, determines the PSU's overall efficiency. PFC in newer PSU, do better jobs by presenting the resistance load to the 110 volts wall outlet, taking reactance out of equation - drawing much less power in return. What he meant "amplify" is the co-efficiency of the reactance currents (10s of Amps at lower voltage), in which the main load transformer just behaves like an inductor. Therefore, always read the PSU labels carefully. 350 Watts PSU will just release the magic smokes when used with powerful video cards requiring 450 watts. That's it, period.

Dr. Mario · 02-28-2012, 04:28 PM

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AHA! I forgot to add one more thing. The Active PFC PSU (Gold Certified or better) do support auto-throttle. In some rather expensive PSU, the mains switching transistor driving the main load transformer is also linked to a microcontroller (be it your favorite Microchip PIC18 or the capable ARM Cortex M3), controlling the way PSU draw the power, basing the Discontinuous Mode PWM architecture implemented in the firmware, on the current consumed by the load, like our precious computers - basically calculating the PWM on-time required, from measuring the few hundred millivolts from the current sense resistors at the DC rails.

**Foxrac** · 02-28-2012, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeroblazer21

whoa whoa whoa, you are completely wrong. every psu had a PFC. pfc mean power factor correction. it is a effective saving bills and second, some power surge is effecive worth saving. and for bulbs. if you really want a best effective saving for your bills. i would recommend a smart energy saving at 30 to 45 watts and for if you want a expensive best bulds. i would choose LEDS bulbs. they're 5-8 watts around. thats huge saving bills. my custom pc had a 750 watts. and it use a 40 to 80 watts. understand this. power supply is ampify to get more power like 500 to 1000 watts. thats no big deal. lmao! i cant believe some deafs like you to pretend you know everythings about psu. i recommend you to go learn in school again.

In bold, not just for deaf people only, also it does applies to some hearing people who don't know about PSU.

rhr's statement is completely utter bullshit since 2005.

Dr. Mario · 02-28-2012, 07:09 PM

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Bravo! Well said, Foxrac. I had to also explain few incredibly simple things to few of both the deaf and the hearing peoples, they just stiffen up like an ironing board after seeing or hearing what I gotta tell them. And I bet what rhr is COMPLETELY UNAWARE of, the appliance I know of, and use daily, draws LOT OF AMPERE. Ta-Da! A electric stove! Turning everything on it on will draw up to 50 Amps.

rhr · 02-29-2012, 02:07 AM

Question me

if I buy PSU 750 Watt in computer

I use Super 3D game or business run high watt 750 watt
when I finish it, quit 3D back to desktop, 750 will down to 300 watt ?? Is it true?

I wish Automatic Swtich between two PSU 300 watt and 750 watt in one? like meter usage up and down watt for save bills ??

all PSU had automatic swtich high and low? It is true?

I remember I bought AT PSU (not ATX) long time ago... I saw label show me, have 150 watt and 300 watt like Graph 0..50...100% with watt long long time ago

rhr · 02-29-2012, 02:30 AM

you not understand, 30-60 amp for multi plate share in house

some old and new between 30 amp and 60 amp

if PSU 750 watt or more on one plate wall..another near plate wall that use Vacuum cleaner then fuse will be off... computer is lose!
becuase control fuse limit between 3 and 6 plate wall per between 30-60 watt for some old or new house

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Originally Posted by Dr. Mario

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Bravo! Well said, Foxrac. I had to also explain few incredibly simple things to few of both the deaf and the hearing peoples, they just stiffen up like an ironing board after seeing or hearing what I gotta tell them. And I bet what rhr is COMPLETELY UNAWARE of, the appliance I know of, and use daily, draws LOT OF AMPERE. Ta-Da! A electric stove! Turning everything on it on will draw up to 50 Amps.

Zeroblazer21 · 02-29-2012, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

you not understand, 30-60 amp for multi plate share in house

some old and new between 30 amp and 60 amp

if PSU 750 watt or more on one plate wall..another near plate wall that use Vacuum cleaner then fuse will be off... computer is lose!
becuase control fuse limit between 3 and 6 plate wall per between 30-60 watt for some old or new house

you're completely wrong!. that's different. psu is able to amplify. in short it is kinda of generator that produce more power. and it just use plug for a small watts. its smart how they made a psu. that's why you're panicking about how high in watts omg. i feel like...I'm talking to a elementary kid right now.

Zeroblazer21 · 02-29-2012, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxrac

In bold, not just for deaf people only, also it does applies to some hearing people who don't know about PSU.

rhr's statement is completely utter bullshit since 2005.

yeah. rhr's statement is like a elementary kids level at same time panicking :p

The Highlander · 02-29-2012, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ausrider

750w power supplys dont draw 750w constantly thats just its peak, while idling they will draw only a fraction of that.

Why it was so hard to understand what Ausrider mean? Do you know what peak mean?

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

Question me

if I buy PSU 750 Watt in computer

I use Super 3D game or business run high watt 750 watt
when I finish it, quit 3D back to desktop, 750 will down to 300 watt ?? Is it true?

I wish Automatic Swtich between two PSU 300 watt and 750 watt in one? like meter usage up and down watt for save bills ??

all PSU had automatic swtich high and low? It is true?

I remember I bought AT PSU (not ATX) long time ago... I saw label show me, have 150 watt and 300 watt like Graph 0..50...100% with watt long long time ago

No. It's all depends what hardware you have. Let said GTX 460, ATX Mobo, Intel Quad cores, 4GB DDR3 ram, and single hard drive then they are around 400watts. and it won't go up to 750 watts as PSU label.

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I wish Automatic Swtich between two PSU 300 watt and 750 watt in one? like meter usage up and down watt for save bills ??

Don't matter, The motherboard's chipset take care of CPU/GPU to take underclock as idle which they will drop watts to low (from 450 watts to 200 watts or less)

This is idle and my CPU got underclock to 1.99 Ghz and 2.6 watts

This is open game (Fallout 3) and CPU went up to 2.3Ghz and 6.8 watts. My Quad cores still powerful enough for Fallout 3 and don't need go up to 2.6Ghz.

Evo Dragon · 02-29-2012, 07:36 AM

I read forum and review at techPowerUp! - The latest in hardware and gaming. How much power hunger for all popluar motherboards before I buy it

Evo Dragon · 02-29-2012, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeroblazer21

yeah. rhr's statement is like a elementary kids level at same time panicking :p

2+2= ... um ugh.. can you help me? lol

The Highlander · 02-29-2012, 11:26 AM

5!

Dr. Mario · 02-29-2012, 02:01 PM

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rhr, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Period. The 30/60 Amps plate you spoke about is THE WASHER / STOVE OUTLET!!! Can't you read? The mains is usually rated for 100 - 200 Amps, and you can just swap the circuit breaker with ratings 5 amps higher than originally rated. OH MY GOD, I am talking to a five-years-old preschooler who claimed he knows everything. Albert Einstein, that ain't!

**Foxrac** · 02-29-2012, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Highlander

5!

Wrong...

It is 4.

lol, first grade math...

The Highlander · 02-29-2012, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxrac

Wrong...

It is 4.

lol, first grade math...

Nope.

2 + 2 = 5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**Foxrac** · 02-29-2012, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Highlander

Nope.

2 + 2 = 5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are obviously kidding.

Dr. Mario · 02-29-2012, 02:50 PM

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Interesting. I didn't know that 2 + 2 equals 5. Guess I learn something new every day.

Zeroblazer21 · 02-29-2012, 03:52 PM

ta da here's my result. my overclocked cpu at 3.8 ghz for 63 watts around. its pretty good. so you tell me it would eat your electric bills huh? it sound like you have to go to school to learn again or.. you might have a terrible disorder like.. learning disorder. just go to doctor and get a pill for yourself, then come here to understand how this shits work. ta da.

Evo Dragon · 02-29-2012, 04:06 PM

Gigabyte? I decide to get new Gigabyte motherboard soon... grr!

The Highlander · 02-29-2012, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evo Dragon

Gigabyte? I decide to get new Gigabyte motherboard soon... grr!

I like Gigabyte because it have dual BIOS, it still power USB to my iPhone when computer shut down, easy to update firmware BIOS thru Windows software without reboot, better solid capacitor than most motherboard brands.

Dr. Mario · 02-29-2012, 05:08 PM

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Aye, Sir! I own a Gigabyte motherboard, and it's like The Highlander described, and I tried a different firmware, Coreboot (formerly LinuxBIOS) on it, it worked.

Zeroblazer21 · 02-29-2012, 07:08 PM

yea same brand mobo as mine.

rhr · 02-29-2012, 11:29 PM

shut up, you always "you're completely wrong!." you are KID! I am not kid I am I.T. specialist and award, Don't join my thread , off!

you are big brain to bomb! I am not interest about games, games are KID! like baby!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeroblazer21

you're completely wrong!. that's different. psu is able to amplify. in short it is kinda of generator that produce more power. and it just use plug for a small watts. its smart how they made a psu. that's why you're panicking about how high in watts omg. i feel like...I'm talking to a elementary kid right now.

rhr · 02-29-2012, 11:36 PM

I block FOXRAC, he is fromer PACMAN, he is usher's syndrome, he get 30,000 post since 2005 = he is no married, no friends, no job.. I know he is alone, I hear alldeaf know he is false about computer, I igrone him that he is big problem, you not know..you check alldeaf. don't ask me,

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Originally Posted by Dr. Mario

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Bravo! Well said, FFoxrac. I had to also explain few incredibly simple things to few of both the deaf and the hearing peoples, they just stiffen up like an ironing board after seeing or hearing what I gotta tell them. And I bet what rhr is COMPLETELY UNAWARE of, the appliance I know of, and use daily, draws LOT OF AMPERE. Ta-Da! A electric stove! Turning everything on it on will draw up to 50 Amps.

rhr · 02-29-2012, 11:38 PM

Hi Mods, they are bad rumor ...
would you turn closed Thread

Thank you

Zeroblazer21 · 03-01-2012, 12:27 AM

look at your sentences its soo terrible. everyone dont understand how you said. its like you're speaking baby language. hmm? foxrac isnt a fraud. but you're a fraud about computers shits. rme. i chatted with him and others they know whats theres and know how does it work. you're not really IT specialist. more like...a retarded specilist and..a FRAUD lol

Dr. Mario · 03-01-2012, 12:39 AM

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Oh, very cute, rhr. You obviously underestimate me. I do "Electrical Engineering" for so many years, so I do know what I am talking about, so start buying the damn books from Radio Shack. I do not appreciate your tone on this forums - telling me that I am wrong. I am never wrong, as I am an experienced hobbyist who also work with high-voltage - YES, that's very dangerous thing I have done.

**Foxrac** · 03-01-2012, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

I block FOXRAC, he is fromer PACMAN, he is usher's syndrome, he get 30,000 post since 2005 = he is no married, no friends, no job.. I know he is alone, I hear alldeaf know he is false about computer, I igrone him that he is big problem, you not know..you check alldeaf. don't ask me,

LOL! You are completely bullshit and you are really jealous of me.

No friends? I have plenty of friends and I do have a own life. I used to had a job for almost 4 years and currently in college.

All of your posts are BS! BS! BS!

**Foxrac** · 03-01-2012, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeroblazer21

look at your sentences its soo terrible. everyone dont understand how you said. its like you're speaking baby language. hmm? foxrac isnt a fraud. but you're a fraud about computers shits. rme. i chatted with him and others they know whats theres and know how does it work. you're not really IT specialist. more like...a retarded specilist and..a FRAUD lol

Thanks...

Hey RHR, you are really BS!!!!

02-29-2012, 02:07 AM	#36 (permalink)
rhr Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,131	Question me if I buy PSU 750 Watt in computer I use Super 3D game or business run high watt 750 watt when I finish it, quit 3D back to desktop, 750 will down to 300 watt ?? Is it true? I wish Automatic Swtich between two PSU 300 watt and 750 watt in one? like meter usage up and down watt for save bills ?? all PSU had automatic swtich high and low? It is true? I remember I bought AT PSU (not ATX) long time ago... I saw label show me, have 150 watt and 300 watt like Graph 0..50...100% with watt long long time ago __________________ ЯHR

02-29-2012, 07:36 AM	#41 (permalink)
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02-29-2012, 11:26 AM	#43 (permalink)
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02-29-2012, 04:06 PM	#50 (permalink)
Evo Dragon Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,474	Gigabyte? I decide to get new Gigabyte motherboard soon... grr! __________________ http://www.alldeaf.com/creative-writ...animation.html

02-29-2012, 07:08 PM	#53 (permalink)
Zeroblazer21 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: OHIO, columbus Posts: 441	yea same brand mobo as mine. __________________ There is AMD Athlon CPU. That isn't being overclocked! This is a crime! I feel that I have to right this injustice

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02-28-2012, 03:34 PM	#32 (permalink)
Dr. Mario Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Mushroom Kingdom Posts: 33	Wirelessly posted Zeroblazer21's right. I have torn apart few tossed-out PC PSUs in the past. Those are switchmode power supply. For 1kW, only 12 Amps is drawn, largely due to the resistance and reactance of both the transformer and MOSFET (or IGBT), which at 45 to 255 kilohertzs, determines the PSU's overall efficiency. PFC in newer PSU, do better jobs by presenting the resistance load to the 110 volts wall outlet, taking reactance out of equation - drawing much less power in return. What he meant "amplify" is the co-efficiency of the reactance currents (10s of Amps at lower voltage), in which the main load transformer just behaves like an inductor. Therefore, always read the PSU labels carefully. 350 Watts PSU will just release the magic smokes when used with powerful video cards requiring 450 watts. That's it, period.

02-28-2012, 04:28 PM	#33 (permalink)
Dr. Mario Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Mushroom Kingdom Posts: 33	Wirelessly posted AHA! I forgot to add one more thing. The Active PFC PSU (Gold Certified or better) do support auto-throttle. In some rather expensive PSU, the mains switching transistor driving the main load transformer is also linked to a microcontroller (be it your favorite Microchip PIC18 or the capable ARM Cortex M3), controlling the way PSU draw the power, basing the Discontinuous Mode PWM architecture implemented in the firmware, on the current consumed by the load, like our precious computers - basically calculating the PWM on-time required, from measuring the few hundred millivolts from the current sense resistors at the DC rails.

02-28-2012, 07:09 PM	#35 (permalink)
Dr. Mario Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Mushroom Kingdom Posts: 33	Wirelessly posted Bravo! Well said, Foxrac. I had to also explain few incredibly simple things to few of both the deaf and the hearing peoples, they just stiffen up like an ironing board after seeing or hearing what I gotta tell them. And I bet what rhr is COMPLETELY UNAWARE of, the appliance I know of, and use daily, draws LOT OF AMPERE. Ta-Da! A electric stove! Turning everything on it on will draw up to 50 Amps.

02-29-2012, 02:01 PM	#44 (permalink)
Dr. Mario Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Mushroom Kingdom Posts: 33	Wirelessly posted rhr, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Period. The 30/60 Amps plate you spoke about is THE WASHER / STOVE OUTLET!!! Can't you read? The mains is usually rated for 100 - 200 Amps, and you can just swap the circuit breaker with ratings 5 amps higher than originally rated. OH MY GOD, I am talking to a five-years-old preschooler who claimed he knows everything. Albert Einstein, that ain't!

02-29-2012, 02:50 PM	#48 (permalink)
Dr. Mario Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Mushroom Kingdom Posts: 33	Wirelessly posted Interesting. I didn't know that 2 + 2 equals 5. Guess I learn something new every day.

02-29-2012, 05:08 PM	#52 (permalink)
Dr. Mario Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Mushroom Kingdom Posts: 33	Wirelessly posted Aye, Sir! I own a Gigabyte motherboard, and it's like The Highlander described, and I tried a different firmware, Coreboot (formerly LinuxBIOS) on it, it worked.

02-29-2012, 11:38 PM	#56 (permalink)
rhr Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,131	Hi Mods, they are bad rumor ... would you turn closed Thread Thank you __________________ ЯHR

03-01-2012, 12:27 AM	#57 (permalink)
Zeroblazer21 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: OHIO, columbus Posts: 441	look at your sentences its soo terrible. everyone dont understand how you said. its like you're speaking baby language. hmm? foxrac isnt a fraud. but you're a fraud about computers shits. rme. i chatted with him and others they know whats theres and know how does it work. you're not really IT specialist. more like...a retarded specilist and..a FRAUD lol __________________ There is AMD Athlon CPU. That isn't being overclocked! This is a crime! I feel that I have to right this injustice

03-01-2012, 12:39 AM	#58 (permalink)
Dr. Mario Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Mushroom Kingdom Posts: 33	Wirelessly posted Oh, very cute, rhr. You obviously underestimate me. I do "Electrical Engineering" for so many years, so I do know what I am talking about, so start buying the damn books from Radio Shack. I do not appreciate your tone on this forums - telling me that I am wrong. I am never wrong, as I am an experienced hobbyist who also work with high-voltage - YES, that's very dangerous thing I have done.

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