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Deluded · 09-26-2010, 02:38 AM

Wow, the fail is strong in this thread for those arguing back and forth about the prebuilt. There are some people who dislike the hassle of building their own PC, and plus, they want to have warranty and technical support. This is where OEMs make their money; service and custom-designed (forgot that word, starts with port) hardware sales.

To those who are arguing about the Window Experience Index rating, it's worthless as a benchmark setting. And I mean absolutely worthless. There are laptops that get better WEI rating than my desktop.

For one, CPU score measures the ability to multitask, not raw computational power. RAM is rated by amount of ram installed, followed (distantly) by speed. Hard drive is rated by capacity, not speed. Graphics is actually the only one that gives a somewhat accurate graphical rating, but even then it is very subjective to the drivers.

Basically, WEI is worthless. Do not base your entire computer experience on WEI as a benchmark.

Zeroblazer21 · 09-26-2010, 02:39 AM

here is my bios

MYMDA2007 · 09-26-2010, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Deluded

Wow, the fail is strong in this thread for those arguing back and forth about the prebuilt. There are some people who dislike the hassle of building their own PC, and plus, they want to have warranty and technical support. This is where OEMs make their money; service and custom-designed (forgot that word, starts with port) hardware sales.

To those who are arguing about the Window Experience Index rating, it's worthless as a benchmark setting. And I mean absolutely worthless. There are laptops that get better WEI rating than my desktop.

For one, CPU score measures the ability to multitask, not raw computational power. RAM is rated by amount of ram installed, followed (distantly) by speed. Hard drive is rated by capacity, not speed. Graphics is actually the only one that gives a somewhat accurate graphical rating, but even then it is very subjective to the drivers.

Basically, WEI is worthless. Do not base your entire computer experience on WEI as a benchmark.

Well said but can you post your WEI score here ? also where is source about laptop is faster than desktop ?

dg

MYMDA2007 · 09-26-2010, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeroblazer21

here is my bios

Don't set auto to PICe Clock MHZ, change manual to 100.

dg

Deluded · 09-26-2010, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MYMDA2007

Well said but can you post your WEI score here ? also where is source about laptop is faster than desktop ?

dg

On XS we were trying to find out how MS evaluates your computer -- ie, what does it measure and how, so we had a whole bunch of people putting up their WEI and their system specification. Turns out that it was wildly inaccurate (obviously, but now we had solid proof) -- some systems that had CF 5970s and i7 980x @ 4.5Ghz got lower scores than people with i5-750 and GTX285.

Also, WEI (apparently) does not measure RAID0 speed, so people with 8x to 10x SSD (2000+ Mb/s thoughtput) had 0.2 higher points than people with standard mechanical HDD.

It was pretty sad, actually. You can find that particular thread if you search in XS with the keywords: "WEI what does it take to get 7.9"

Here is mine. I do not have Window 7 yet (haven't seen any reason to move on to 7, plus vista 64-bit has treated me nicely) so I don't know what my scores will end up.

Zeroblazer21 · 09-26-2010, 08:51 AM

sorry, guys. i just fell sleep on the desk...lol.. what now? i did leave to manual, 100 as you said

MYMDA2007 · 09-26-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Deluded

On XS we were trying to find out how MS evaluates your computer -- ie, what does it measure and how, so we had a whole bunch of people putting up their WEI and their system specification. Turns out that it was wildly inaccurate (obviously, but now we had solid proof) -- some systems that had CF 5970s and i7 980x @ 4.5Ghz got lower scores than people with i5-750 and GTX285.

Also, WEI (apparently) does not measure RAID0 speed, so people with 8x to 10x SSD (2000+ Mb/s thoughtput) had 0.2 higher points than people with standard mechanical HDD.

It was pretty sad, actually. You can find that particular thread if you search in XS with the keywords: "WEI what does it take to get 7.9"

Here is mine. I do not have Window 7 yet (haven't seen any reason to move on to 7, plus vista 64-bit has treated me nicely) so I don't know what my scores will end up.

I heard that WEI was already fixed and better accurate on Windows 7 that push higher score to 7.9

Vista can only limit to 5.9 no better what, That is why Windows 7 is much better with WEI overhaul from 5.9 to 7.9

You can download Windows 7 for trial and check with WEI score then you will surprised that score are improved within Windows 7, I have Vista 64 with all almost perfect score 5.9 then upgrade to Windows 7 that gave me higher score than Vista's WEI.

dg

Glenn · 09-26-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeroblazer21

sorry, guys. i just fell sleep on the desk...lol.. what now? i did leave to manual, 100 as you said

Make some coffee.

The Highlander · 09-26-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MYMDA2007

For my experiences two between prebuilt pc and built pc are not excatly same but maybe a par or so. why ?

1. prebuilt pc come with junk bloatware software PLUS too many programs running in background and cause bog down on start up pc.

2. built pc come with your own install clean OS Windows or Linux whatever then install all drivers in the order and no software come with and just OS itself prove for better performance, less troubleshooting, quicker start up and dont have to wait for glasshand on screen forever.

I know everything PC between preload and built pc are simple different configuration.

I bought preload PC long time ago and gave me many many problem so I just nuke preload OS off hard drive, clean install OS on exist hard drive no problem.

Remember no flaming around here and that people choices what they want with their PC.

dg

I am agreed with you. Just re-format and re-install was not big deal. I never bought a preload PC (desktop) all in my life before. Just learned from friends and reviews about preload and OEM. That's it. Just OEM computers for many years. That's all I bought a preload was laptop then i had re-format/re-install to clean up a junk. Later, I bought a Macbook, wow best preload ever I had! It's perfect CLEAN and no junk software.

The Highlander · 09-26-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeroblazer21

this is my bios i have to do ht link and ht frequency,too?!?

IF you don't find anything at BIOS then put the RAM at wrong slot that show up single channel. Try put RAM at another slot like channel 1 and another RAM at slot channel 2 slot that become dual channels OR some of motherboards have two different color of slot.

Like that.

Again, All depends on motherboard. Looks up a user manual and find which right slot from motherboard to enable dual channels.

**Jiro** · 09-26-2010, 03:58 PM

simple. buy a preloaded computer if it's cheap but got a nice spec and then reformat it yourself.

The Highlander · 09-26-2010, 04:00 PM

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smiple. buy a preloaded computer if it's cheap but got a nice spec and then reformat it yourself.

Yep, That's what I happen to me.

**Foxrac** · 09-26-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

I am agreed with you. Just re-format and re-install was not big deal. I never bought a preload PC (desktop) all in my life before. Just learned from friends and reviews about preload and OEM. That's it. Just OEM computers for many years. That's all I bought a preload was laptop then i had re-format/re-install to clean up a junk. Later, I bought a Macbook, wow best preload ever I had! It's perfect CLEAN and no junk software.

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Originally Posted by Jiro

simple. buy a preloaded computer if it's cheap but got a nice spec and then reformat it yourself.

Yup, I agree with both of you.

**Jiro** · 09-26-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

Yep, That's what I happen to me.

I thought you said....

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

I never bought a preload PC (desktop) all in my life before.

**Foxrac** · 09-26-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I thought you said....

I think that he means his PC notebook in past.

The Highlander · 09-26-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I thought you said....

Because you cut my quote out. That's your problem!

**Jiro** · 09-26-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I think that he means his PC notebook in past.

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

Because you cut my quote out. That's your problem!

isn't this thread about PC?

The Highlander · 09-26-2010, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

isn't this thread about PC?

Umm.

Re-read again. You should not cut my quote out in first place since you keeps get wrong idea.

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I am agreed with you. Just re-format and re-install was not big deal. I never bought a preload PC (desktop) all in my life before. Just learned from friends and reviews about preload and OEM. That's it. Just OEM computers for many years. That's all I bought a preload was laptop then i had re-format/re-install to clean up a junk. Later, I bought a Macbook, wow best preload ever I had! It's perfect CLEAN and no junk software.

Personal computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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**Foxrac** · 09-26-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

isn't this thread about PC?

PC? That's board word to say, are you means desktop or notebook?

He brought up about bloatware issues in his notebook so he said that re-format/clean install does solve the problem.

**Jiro** · 09-26-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

Umm.

Re-read again. You should not cut my quote in first place since you keeps get wrong idea.

I am agreed with you. Just re-format and re-install was not big deal. I never bought a preload PC (desktop) all in my life before. Just learned from friends and reviews about preload and OEM. That's it. Just OEM computers for many years. That's all I bought a preload was laptop then i had re-format/re-install to clean up a junk. Later, I bought a Macbook, wow best preload ever I had! It's perfect CLEAN and no junk software.

Personal computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I believe we all know that we all use 2 terms - PC and laptop. If you want to call laptop as "PC"....

You disappoint family.

**Jiro** · 09-26-2010, 04:15 PM

btw - my spoon is too big. damn!

The Highlander · 09-26-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I believe we all know that we all use 2 terms - PC and laptop. If you want to call laptop as "PC"....

You disappoint family.

WE? There is no "we" Just yourself.

Quit troll.

**Jiro** · 09-26-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

WE? There is no "we" Just yourself.

Quit troll.

look at the first page of this thread. everybody is referring PC as desktop. big box thing. not a single person is talking about laptop.

posts from hell · 09-26-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

look at the first page of this thread. everybody is referring PC as desktop. big box thing. not a single person is talking about laptop.

I just read every single post in this thread. This is the truth.

MYMDA2007 · 09-26-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

I am agreed with you. Just re-format and re-install was not big deal. I never bought a preload PC (desktop) all in my life before. Just learned from friends and reviews about preload and OEM. That's it. Just OEM computers for many years. That's all I bought a preload was laptop then i had re-format/re-install to clean up a junk. Later, I bought a Macbook, wow best preload ever I had! It's perfect CLEAN and no junk software.

That's is true and you are genius thumb up.

dg

Deluded · 09-26-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MYMDA2007

I heard that WEI was already fixed and better accurate on Windows 7 that push higher score to 7.9

Vista can only limit to 5.9 no better what, That is why Windows 7 is much better with WEI overhaul from 5.9 to 7.9

You can download Windows 7 for trial and check with WEI score then you will surprised that score are improved within Windows 7, I have Vista 64 with all almost perfect score 5.9 then upgrade to Windows 7 that gave me higher score than Vista's WEI.

dg

I am aware of that, yes. I dont thino w7 fixed the wei rating, it merely increased the maximum possible rating from 5.9 to 7.9, how it calculates the index remains the same. You can find out if you use a laptop that gets below 5.0 points in vista will get the same point in w7.

XBGMER · 09-26-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeroblazer21

yes i did read the reviews and it's a great price with a 4gb ram. i just like to keep a budget pc lol

Yes a 4GB is purpose for multitasking and casual games. You will need a 6GB ram I highly recommended if you play high ended video games. anyway I really admire how you keeping stick the budget pc like I do.

**Foxrac** · 09-26-2010, 08:46 PM

4 GB RAM is just enough for me with 64 bit version of W7 and 30+ games installed.

I'm usually uninstall some games if they are growing on me and not need play anymore until in future as I feel like to play again in later.

In next 2 years, some new games may require 4 GB RAM to run so I know that I will upgrade to more RAM in later or move up to new custom built PC.

MYMDA2007 · 09-26-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

4 GB RAM is just enough for me with 64 bit version of W7 and 30+ games installed.

I'm usually uninstall some games if they are growing on me and not need play anymore until in future as I feel like to play again in later.

In next 2 years, some new games may require 4 GB RAM to run so I know that I will upgrade to more RAM in later or move up to new custom built PC.

That is true, mostly games used ram under 4GB and for video edit stuff maybe 6-12GB power users as well.

dg

Deluded · 09-26-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MYMDA2007

That is true, mostly games used ram under 4GB and for video edit stuff maybe 6-12GB power users as well.

dg

4Gb has been the norm for a while, though I feel that we are slated for more RAM / higher requirement in the future.

Metro 2033 PC System Requirements Revealed! - EXTREME Overclocking Forums

One of the first games that actually asked for more than 4Gb of ram.

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Deluded Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: California Posts: 74	Wow, the fail is strong in this thread for those arguing back and forth about the prebuilt. There are some people who dislike the hassle of building their own PC, and plus, they want to have warranty and technical support. This is where OEMs make their money; service and custom-designed (forgot that word, starts with port) hardware sales. To those who are arguing about the Window Experience Index rating, it's worthless as a benchmark setting. And I mean absolutely worthless. There are laptops that get better WEI rating than my desktop. For one, CPU score measures the ability to multitask, not raw computational power. RAM is rated by amount of ram installed, followed (distantly) by speed. Hard drive is rated by capacity, not speed. Graphics is actually the only one that gives a somewhat accurate graphical rating, but even then it is very subjective to the drivers. Basically, WEI is worthless. Do not base your entire computer experience on WEI as a benchmark.

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Zeroblazer21 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: OHIO, columbus Posts: 441	sorry, guys. i just fell sleep on the desk...lol.. what now? i did leave to manual, 100 as you said