! PSA: Watch your torrenting !

***naisho*** · 05-22-2010, 04:35 PM

Not sure how many of you guys torrent things out there.. this is just a heads up as a Public Service Announcement.

Internet service providers and movie publishers are following up on the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) the past few years, most beginning to take more action this year. Some are within negotiations, some have specific policies regarding pirating.

About 2+ weeks or two ago, all people who had torrented a version of the movie "Hurt Locker" have had their IP's requested by Voltage Pictures Inc., and are in the process of getting sued. There's a story here.

They did this by acting as a seed themselves, and logged all the IP's they could see while seeding.

Many ISPs these days have begun taking action, some have a 1 or 3 strike policy.

So watch what you're doing out there.

**Foxrac** · 05-22-2010, 04:57 PM

Not surprised, our ISP doesn't care about piracy.

I have encryption on torrent so ISP won't find out about what I'm doing.

AndyE9503 · 05-23-2010, 12:50 AM

uuummmm... not good for me. Over 500 gigs and counting.

But this has been reported so many times in the past

yizuman · 05-23-2010, 01:16 AM

Obligatory "FARK THE RIAA/MPAA!!"

Yiz

souggy · 05-23-2010, 01:24 AM

They really need to revamp the copyrights laws and the method of distribution.

**Jiro** · 05-27-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Not surprised, our ISP doesn't care about piracy.

I have encryption on torrent so ISP won't find out about what I'm doing.

that doesn't help much

**Foxrac** · 05-27-2010, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

that doesn't help much

I never experience any throttle or get email from ISP after heavily torrent user, especially tv shows.

**Jiro** · 05-28-2010, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I never experience any throttle or get email from ISP after heavily torrent users, especially tv shows.

just matter of time. btw - the ISP will warn you thru WWW, not email.

**Foxrac** · 05-28-2010, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

just matter of time. btw - the ISP will warn you thru WWW, not email.

They did email to some people like one of my friend got warned from Comcast via email about downloaded the movie so I told him to use encryption so no more throttle or email after that, also some members in piratebay said that they got email from cable companies about download the files from torrent so called us to be careful.

I'm not worried because I already know about my DSL ISP doesn't care and I know someone in my area is heavily torrent user without encryption for years so they never get warned or throttled.

**Jiro** · 05-28-2010, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

They did email to some people like one of my friend got warned from Comcast via email about downloaded the movie so I told him to use encryption so no more throttle or email after that, also some members in piratebay said that they got email from cable companies about download the files from torrent so called us to be careful.

I'm not worried because I already know about my DSL ISP doesn't care and I know someone in my area is heavily torrent user without encryption for years so they never get warned or throttled.

a little better but still not secured.

**Foxrac** · 05-28-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

a little better but still not secured.

Ok but I'm not worried because our ISP isn't throttle/warn infested, unlike Comcast does.

**TXgolfer** · 05-30-2010, 12:44 AM

Talking about theft?????

***naisho*** · 05-30-2010, 12:47 AM

Nah, to be technical they're discussing security.

souggy · 05-30-2010, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Talking about theft?????

The problem with piracy, people don't think of it as theft; that's why it's a rampant problem. It's hard to explain that "copying isn't theft" is not always true.

So something need to be done to turn that mentality into a profitable measure.

**TXgolfer** · 05-30-2010, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by souggy

The problem with piracy, people don't think of it as theft; that's why it's a rampant problem. It's hard to explain that "copying isn't theft" is not always true.

So something need to be done to turn that mentality into a profitable measure.

Yeah I would like to see the laws tightened up and enforced....Piracy is without a doubt theft. If people wanted to give their work away they would make it easy

***naisho*** · 05-30-2010, 12:56 AM

It really depends on where you are from. Certain parts of the world couldn't care less for how much the entertainment industry earns their profits. Canada, Russia, Ukraine etc

There are parts of the world where they can't even have that form of distribution, such as dvds blurays, tv shows aren't even shown or released there. So you got to think what you're talking about if you want to ban piracy once and for all.

It's already getting fairly strict in the USA as of recent.

souggy · 05-30-2010, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Yeah I would like to see the laws tightened up and enforced....Piracy is without a doubt theft. If people wanted to give their work away they would make it easy

"without a doubt theft"

Yeah... explain that to the torrent users. They don't think of it as stealing because they didn't shoplift it or pay for someone to copy it or steal it. They think it's free, and everyone else is "sharing" it as well therefore there's no moral wrong. Try explaining to your average Joe that "sharing" is wrong.

I am not saying it's right, but when the general public don't see a moral wrong-- they will go ahead and do it anyway; especially if they justify it as being anti-capitalist or anti-consumerist. It's kinda hard to toughen up laws that are not targeted toward criminal minorities with similar mindsets.

Yes, I know they're undercutting companies' profits, but... hey, your costumers control your products. I means look at iTunes, they capitalized on digital distribution and took away the reasonings for people to pirate (ie. only wanting individual songs and such.)

**TXgolfer** · 05-30-2010, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by souggy

"without a doubt theft"

Yeah... explain that to the torrent users. They don't think of it as stealing because they didn't shoplift it or pay for someone to copy it or steal it. They think it's free, and everyone else is "sharing" it as well therefore there's no moral wrong. Try explaining to your average Joe that "sharing" is wrong.

I am not saying it's right, but when the general public don't see a moral wrong-- they will go ahead and do it anyway; especially if they justify it as being anti-capitalist or anti-consumerist. It's kinda hard to toughen up laws that are not targeted toward criminal minorities with similar mindsets.

Yes, I know they're undercutting companies' profits, but... hey, your costumers control your products. I means look at iTunes, they capitalized on digital distribution and took away the reasonings for people to pirate (ie. only wanting individual songs and such.)

Don't know if I agree that there is "no moral wrong"....Kinda like taking towels from a hotel....everyone does it (I don't BTW)

souggy · 05-30-2010, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Don't know if I agree that there is "no moral wrong"....Kinda like taking towels from a hotel....everyone does it (I don't BTW)

I never figured out why hotels don't charge people's credit cards for stealing towels.

**Foxrac** · 05-30-2010, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by souggy

I never figured out why hotels don't charge people's credit cards for stealing towels.

Some people pay hotel rate in cash.

souggy · 05-30-2010, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Some people pay hotel rate in cash.

Um...

I haven't been to a hotel that doesn't require you to make a reservation via cheque or credit card. The ones that accept only cash for reserving a room don't usually have special services like fresh towels.

SO yeah, you can pay in cash AFTER you reserve a room, but it's hard to get a room without a monetary promise.

**Foxrac** · 05-30-2010, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Yeah I would like to see the laws tightened up and enforced....Piracy is without a doubt theft. If people wanted to give their work away they would make it easy

Already did... under DMCA but not completely effective.

DRM does encourage more crack than turn into profit.

**Foxrac** · 05-30-2010, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by souggy

Um...

I haven't been to a hotel that doesn't require you to make a reservation via cheque or credit card. The ones that accept only cash for reserving a room don't usually have special services like fresh towels.

SO yeah, you can pay in cash AFTER you reserve a room, but it's hard to get a room without a monetary promise.

I did paid hotel in cash in 2006 before on way to Chicago and it is just middle class hotel with nice towels.

I don't bother to steal it.

**TXgolfer** · 05-30-2010, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Already did... under DMCA but not completely effective.

DRM does encourage more crack than turn into profit.

So then you realize that they don't want you to do this and there is a law against it?????

**Foxrac** · 05-30-2010, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

So then you realize that they don't want you to do this and there is a law against it?????

Sorry, I'm not going disclose about my usage with torrent.

DMCA and DRM are just broken and copyright law need reformed so badly.

**TXgolfer** · 05-30-2010, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Sorry, I'm not going disclose about my usage with torrent.

DMCA and DRM are just broken and copyright law need reformed so badly.

I think you already did earlier in the thread.....

**Foxrac** · 05-30-2010, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I think you already did earlier in the thread.....

Not full detail, just very little.

**TXgolfer** · 05-30-2010, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Not full detail, just very little.

Enough

**Foxrac** · 05-30-2010, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Enough

Well, I don't have answer since I don't want more discuss about what I'm doing with torrent since you won't know about me but just little, not enough for you.

**TXgolfer** · 05-30-2010, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Well, I don't have answer since I don't want more discuss about what I'm doing with torrent since you won't know about me but just little, not enough for you.

I am not asking you to answer anything....lol You answered the only question I asked.

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*naisho* Forum Disorders M.D.,Ph.D Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 6,162	! PSA: Watch your torrenting ! Not sure how many of you guys torrent things out there.. this is just a heads up as a Public Service Announcement. Internet service providers and movie publishers are following up on the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) the past few years, most beginning to take more action this year. Some are within negotiations, some have specific policies regarding pirating. About 2+ weeks or two ago, all people who had torrented a version of the movie "Hurt Locker" have had their IP's requested by Voltage Pictures Inc., and are in the process of getting sued. There's a story here. They did this by acting as a seed themselves, and logged all the IP's they could see while seeding. Many ISPs these days have begun taking action, some have a 1 or 3 strike policy. So watch what you're doing out there.

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*naisho* Forum Disorders M.D.,Ph.D Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 6,162	It really depends on where you are from. Certain parts of the world couldn't care less for how much the entertainment industry earns their profits. Canada, Russia, Ukraine etc There are parts of the world where they can't even have that form of distribution, such as dvds blurays, tv shows aren't even shown or released there. So you got to think what you're talking about if you want to ban piracy once and for all. It's already getting fairly strict in the USA as of recent.