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kokonut · 06-01-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

OMFG!!!!

Boy, the truth really does come out, huh?

**Jiro** · 06-01-2010, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Yeah. Produce a Public Service Annoucement, tv commercials, radio ads, etc to tell the people on the concept of buying a software product first and that the taking of what's not yours is wrong, and illegal, when it comes down to downloading bootlegged games or copies of them. Though I get the distinct feeling that people will laugh at the idea of such nonsense to even consider the audacity that the taking of what's not yours is wrong. Piracy = good, ok, acceptable. Theft = bad, negative.

Nice logic there.

your logic was broken when your concept did not fit the Copyright Law

souggy · 06-01-2010, 10:35 PM

I was waiting for the mix-tape thing to come up! What about recording TV shows on your VCRs? Lots of families do that; hell my family still do it-- and give copies to others.

You're right with the "nothing is wrong unless they are caught." I got my hand slapped for copyrights infringement during an English class, then I walked a much narrower path. Even though I still disagree with copyright maximalists, everyone has the rights to pursue livelihood with their intellectual properties. How is it distributed? I will leave it to them and the consumers to decide the laws of the market.

The problem with file-sharing is that everyone's computer is a potential venue, and it can multi-task. Yes, it is wrong, but so much money is being spent trying to fight the inevitable. The ones that are laughing? The ones that turned file-sharing against their own users-- Blizzard has done it; Microsoft has done it; Google has done it; Vault has done it.

:shrug:

At least curbing bootlegging was easy... curbing P2P filesharing is not as easy-- unless you want ISPs to cut off all their clients from the Internet.

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Boy, the truth really does come out, huh?

Sure did......that post almost literally made me sick. Literally! My daughter is going to be pissed. That post alone bought her a 2 hr refresher lecture to make sure she still knows the difference

**Jiro** · 06-01-2010, 10:37 PM

Artists blast record companies over lawsuits against downloaders

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Recording artists across the board think the music industry should find a way to work with the Internet instead of suing people who have downloaded music.

"They're protecting an archaic industry," said the Grateful Dead's Bob Weir.

"They should turn their attention to new models."

"This is not rocket science," said David Draiman of Disturbed, a hard-rock band with a platinum debut album on the charts. "Instead of spending all this money litigating against kids who are the people they're trying to sell things to in the first place, they have to learn how to effectively use the Internet."

After three consecutive years of double-digit sales losses, and having lost a court battle against file-sharing Web sites such as Kazaa and Morpheus, the Recording Industry Association of America -- the industry's lobbying arm -- trained its sights on ordinary fans who have downloaded music. On Monday, the RIAA filed suits against 261 civilians with more than 1,000 music files each on their computers, accusing them of copyright violations. The industry hopes the suits, which seek as much as $150,000 per violation, will deter computer users from engaging in what the record industry considers illegal file- swapping.

This unprecedented move brings home the industry's battle against Web downloads, which the record business blames for billion-dollar losses since the 1999 emergence of Napster, the South Bay startup the RIAA sued out of existence. The suits are expected to settle for as little as $3,000 each, but the news was greeted with derision by the very people the RIAA said they moved to protect, the musicians themselves.

"Lawsuits on 12-year-old kids for downloading music, duping a mother into paying a $2,000 settlement for her kid?" said rapper Chuck D of Public Enemy. "Those scare tactics are pure Gestapo."

"File sharing is a reality, and it would seem that the labels would do well to learn how to incorporate it into their business models somehow," said genre- busting DJ Moby in a post on his Web site. "Record companies suing 12-year-old girls for file sharing is kind of like horse-and-buggy operators suing Henry Ford."

Artists are feeling the downturn in sales, too. "My record royalties have dropped 80 percent since 1999," said Steve Miller, whose greatest hits album has been a perennial best-seller since its 1978 release. "To me, it's one of the weirdest things that's ever happened to me because people act like it's OK. "

Recording artists have watched their record royalties erode over the past few years ("My Van Halen royalties are history," said vocalist Sammy Hagar), but, in fact, few musicians earn the bulk of their income from record sales.

"Bruce Springsteen probably earned more in 10 nights at Meadowlands last month than in his entire recording career," said rocker Huey Lewis.

Many artists painted the record industry as a bloated, overstuffed giant with too many mouths to feed and too many middlemen to pay, selling an overpriced, often mediocre product.

"They have all these abnormal practices that keep driving the price up," said Gregg Rollie, founding member of Santana and Journey. "People think musicians make all that money, but it's not true. We make the smallest amount."

The RIAA did not initiate these lawsuits to defend artists' rights, the musicians say, but to protect corporate profits.

"For the artists, my ass," said Draiman. "I didn't ask them to protect me, and I don't want their protection."

Artists also see the opportunities for promotion the Internet offers. Most acts maintain Web sites, and virtually every one features some free downloads. Country Joe McDonald said he posts more than 50 tracks available for free downloads on his site, countryjoe.com.

"Who doesn't want to get paid for their work?" said Wayne Coyne of the indie-rock band Flaming Lips. "But I think it works to musicians' benefit for people to be able to occasionally listen to their music and, if they really like it, go out and buy it."

Many of the musicians pointed to the iTunes Store recently opened by Apple Computers that sells individual songs for 99 cents apiece to downloaders. As diverse a cross-section as Disturbed's Draiman, the Dead's Weir, Moby and the Flaming Lips' Coyne all endorsed the officially licensed site -- run, significantly, by a computer company, not a record label.

"Apple has the right idea with the I-store," said Disturbed's Draiman. "You'd think these conglomerates like AOL Time Warner would have easy ways of doing the same thing, with these mergers between record labels and Internet service providers."

Many other factors along with the Internet are having an impact on the industry's financial slump: the poor economy in general, computer CD burners, the high retail price, and mundane, uninteresting music.

"I don't know that there's any one factor behind the industry," said Coyne. "Maybe it's downloading, or maybe people just didn't feel like buying so many records. So Metallica makes $10 million instead of $20 million, who cares? To me, the sympathy is unwarranted. Some of this is just the hazard of doing business. It's the nature of the world. At the end of the day, it's just rock and roll. It isn't that big of a deal."

All agree that the Internet is here to stay and that downloading files will be an increasingly important delivery system for music, regardless of the music industry's lawsuits. "The focus of the industry needs to shift from Soundscan numbers to downloads," said Draiman. "It's the way of the future. You can smell it coming. Stop fighting it, because you can't."

theft? *chuckle*

wake up America... RIAA is stealing from artists, not downloaders!

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Sure did......that post almost literally made me sick. Literally! My daughter is going to be pissed. That post alone bought her a 2 hr refresher lecture to make sure she still knows the difference

Is it about my post?

souggy · 06-01-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Food is part of living expense, that why it is important to buy foods instead of buy new movies if you don't have enough money.

Um... entertainment is a luxury, not a need. You don't need to download things to survive. What you are doing is a crime.

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Privacy, I believe so and it seems unconstitutional for government to attack our computers because we used P2P or internet piracy.

Use darknet if you're so worried about it.

***naisho*** · 06-01-2010, 10:38 PM

Ok.. you "theft"-term collaborators can hold onto your own little world. I'll just refrain from trying to explain it to you any longer.

I'll leave it to the day you're in court as the prosecution or as the jury, and for you to learn the lesson the hard way in front of everyone taking you and looking at you like a fool for your logic.

**Jiro** · 06-01-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Is it about my post?

take a hint. you just condoned an illegal activity.

kokonut · 06-01-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

I was waiting for the mix-tape thing to come up! What about recording TV shows on your VCRs? Lots of families do that; hell my family still do it-- and give copies to others.

You're right with the "nothing is wrong unless they are caught." I got my hand slapped for copyrights infringement during an English class, then I walked a much narrower path. Even though I still disagree with copyright maximalists, everyone has the rights to pursue livelihood with their intellectual properties. How is it distributed? I will leave it to them and the consumers to decide the laws of the market.

The problem with file-sharing is that everyone's computer is a potential venue, and it can multi-task. Yes, it is wrong, but so much money is being spent trying to fight the inevitable. The ones that are laughing? The ones that turned file-sharing against their own users-- Blizzard has done it; Microsoft has done it; Google has done it; Vault has done it.

:shrug:

At least curbing bootlegging was easy... curbing P2P filesharing is not as easy-- unless you want ISPs to cut off all their clients from the Internet.

I do what TXgolfer suggested. Attach viruses to a software that unless you have an encrypted code to unlock it, you risk losing more than the software you just illegally downloaded into your computer.

**Jiro** · 06-01-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by naisho

Ok.. you "theft"-term collaborators can hold onto your own little world. I'll just refrain from trying to explain it to you any longer.

I'll leave it to the day you're in court as the prosecution or as the jury, and for you to learn the lesson the hard way in front of everyone taking you and looking at you like a fool for your logic.

agreed. they have been unable to produce any single legal case that fits their statement.

***naisho*** · 06-01-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Is it about my post?

They've dropped from focusing on the discussion to attacking you to making it the reason why they're right.

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

Um... entertainment is a luxury, not a need. You don't need to download things to survive. What you are doing is a crime.

Use darknet if you're so worried about it.

No, that's not what I was talking.

I said that getting a job and buy legit one is no solution if you works at low paying job, it is pointless, IMO.

No, I'm not worried because it will not going be happen.

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

take a hint. you just condoned an illegal activity.

Do you think so? I don't have an idea.

I'm just say about some people, not me.

souggy · 06-01-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I do what TXgolfer suggested. Attach viruses to a software that unless you have an encrypted code to unlock it, you risk losing more than the software you just illegally downloaded into your computer.

That has been attempted in the past on indexing sites... it failed.

kokonut · 06-01-2010, 10:45 PM

Theft is theft. This isn't a "I know what pornography looks like," but a theft is when something that doesn't belong to you and you knowingly and consciously made the effort to steal potential profit from the original artist or, for example, a company who made that Role Playing Game software game.

kokonut · 06-01-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

That has been attempted in the past on indexing sites... it failed.

There's always room for improvements.

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2010, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by souggy

I was waiting for the mix-tape thing to come up! What about recording TV shows on your VCRs? Lots of families do that; hell my family still do it-- and give copies to others.

You're right with the "nothing is wrong unless they are caught." I got my hand slapped for copyrights infringement during an English class, then I walked a much narrower path. Even though I still disagree with copyright maximalists, everyone has the rights to pursue livelihood with their intellectual properties. How is it distributed? I will leave it to them and the consumers to decide the laws of the market.

The problem with file-sharing is that everyone's computer is a potential venue, and it can multi-task. Yes, it is wrong, but so much money is being spent trying to fight the inevitable. The ones that are laughing? The ones that turned file-sharing against their own users-- Blizzard has done it; Microsoft has done it; Google has done it; Vault has done it.

:shrug:

At least curbing bootlegging was easy... curbing P2P filesharing is not as easy-- unless you want ISPs to cut off all their clients from the Internet.

I would think the line with video tapes from TV would be drawn at PPV events.

Perhaps fine the ISPs if they don't cut off their clients engaging in piracy???
That's actually the solution.....Eureka! Fine ISPs for not cutting off clients who engage in piracy. ISPs will most likely pay the fine and raise the rates or fine the offenders rather than cut them off.......Fine go to the victims thus compensating them......Cheez it!

souggy · 06-01-2010, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

No, that's not what I was talking.

I said that getting a job and buy legit one is no solution if you works at low paying job, it is pointless, IMO.

No, I'm not worried because it will not going be happen.

So?

If you're so poor that you can't afford off-the-shelf entertainment, go dumpster-diving. Go buy videos from Value Village. You can use Freecycle to snatch up free giveaway videogames and computers.

Hell, instead of playing games, maybe you can ride a bike? Go rock-climbing? Go for a hike? All free and all are legit.

**Jiro** · 06-01-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

No, that's not what I was talking.

I said that getting a job and buy legit one is no solution if you works at low paying job, it is pointless, IMO.

No, I'm not worried because it will not going be happen.

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Do you think so? I don't have an idea.

I'm just say about some people, not me.

please re-read your posts and all of it. try very hard to see what's wrong with it.

***naisho*** · 06-01-2010, 10:49 PM

By the way, just rubbing one last one in.

Piracy will always remain regardless.

A recent study conducted earlier this year found that even when the price of electronic software was reduced, the % of people pirating it still remains the same. The companies didn't earn any more revenue when they slashed prices, it was still being sold at the same amounts.

It doesn't make a difference what you do. There will still be piracy and any marketing/management team in any company should know how to account for it beforehand.

Like I said earlier microsoft is STILL pirated to this date. It doesn't change the fact that they still are earning money. They have BIGGER things to worry about than a group of non-paying people. A huge chunk of their profits come from related subsidiaries like CORPORATE BUSINESS, hello!

XBOX sales still remain the same (in losses/breakeven) despite the change in the recent trend of advancement in pirating XBOX games.

Keep dreamin', haters gonna hate.

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by naisho

They've dropped from focusing on the discussion to attacking you to making it the reason why they're right.

I am not attacking anyone......I was just appalled by that type of thinking. He is free to make his own decisions though. We all have to choose our own course

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

So?

If you're so poor that you can't afford off-the-shelf entertainment, go dumpster-diving. Go buy videos from Value Village. You can use Freecycle to snatch up free giveaway videogames and computers.

Hell, instead of playing games, maybe you can ride a bike? Go rock-climbing? Go for a hike? All free and all are legit.

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Originally Posted by Jiro

please re-read your posts and all of it. try very hard to see what's wrong with it.

Let me rephrase, I'm not ****ing say about me but some people did.

At first, txgolfer suggested to find a job and buy legit movies instead of download from torrent.

Sure but I do know about some people who work at low paying job or part time job with little money so they will rather to download the pirated movies from torrent to save their money.

Souggy, I'm not talking about my issue but just for some people so I don't need any ****ing suggestion because I do have a life.

souggy · 06-01-2010, 10:54 PM

Foxrac... I was using the general "you."

You're still condoning an illegal act. Why are you defending the lower-class?

**Jiro** · 06-01-2010, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kokonut

I do what TXgolfer suggested. Attach viruses to a software that unless you have an encrypted code to unlock it, you risk losing more than the software you just illegally downloaded into your computer.

well - I suppose you condone an illegal activity to combat an illegal activity? Like condoning murdering a murderer?

Did you know that what you just suggested is illegal under federal law: Title 18 - Chapter 47 - Section 1030 - Fraud and related activity in connection with computers?

......far more serious than theft....

kokonut · 06-01-2010, 10:55 PM

So, sounds like somebody actually agrees that it is theft. And that it's not really hurting the big companies. Still, it's theft no matter how small or big the taking is.

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2010, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by naisho

By the way, just rubbing one last one in.

Piracy will always remain regardless.

A recent study conducted earlier this year found that even when the price of electronic software was reduced, the % of people pirating it still remains the same. The companies didn't earn any more revenue when they slashed prices, it was still being sold at the same amounts.

It doesn't make a difference what you do. There will still be piracy and any marketing/management team in any company should know how to account for it beforehand.

Like I said earlier microsoft is STILL pirated to this date. It doesn't change the fact that they still are earning money. They have BIGGER things to worry about than a group of non-paying people. A huge chunk of their profits come from related subsidiaries like CORPORATE BUSINESS, hello!

XBOX sales still remain the same (in losses/breakeven) despite the change in the recent trend of advancement in pirating XBOX games.

Keep dreamin', haters gonna hate.

Yup, the companies are trying to work on DRM but obviously, it isn't successful.

**Jiro** · 06-01-2010, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxrac

At first, txgolfer suggested to find a job and buy legit movies instead of download from torrent.

Sure but I do know about some people who work at low paying job or part time job with little money so they will rather to download the pirated movies from torrent to save their money.

so do you think that's ok?

kokonut · 06-01-2010, 10:57 PM

Here's a Public Service Announcement from the Australian govt.

Piracy is stealing. Theft. Pure and simple.

YouTube - Movie Piracy - It's a crime

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so do you think that's ok?

Well, I don't care.

That's their choice to do illegal activities if they accept their consequences.

I do have my own choice.

06-01-2010, 10:35 PM	#123 (permalink)
souggy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 9,541	I was waiting for the mix-tape thing to come up! What about recording TV shows on your VCRs? Lots of families do that; hell my family still do it-- and give copies to others. You're right with the "nothing is wrong unless they are caught." I got my hand slapped for copyrights infringement during an English class, then I walked a much narrower path. Even though I still disagree with copyright maximalists, everyone has the rights to pursue livelihood with their intellectual properties. How is it distributed? I will leave it to them and the consumers to decide the laws of the market. The problem with file-sharing is that everyone's computer is a potential venue, and it can multi-task. Yes, it is wrong, but so much money is being spent trying to fight the inevitable. The ones that are laughing? The ones that turned file-sharing against their own users-- Blizzard has done it; Microsoft has done it; Google has done it; Vault has done it. :shrug: At least curbing bootlegging was easy... curbing P2P filesharing is not as easy-- unless you want ISPs to cut off all their clients from the Internet. __________________ "It is my task to convince you not to turn away because you don’t understand it." - Richard Freynman

06-01-2010, 10:45 PM	#136 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Theft is theft. This isn't a "I know what pornography looks like," but a theft is when something that doesn't belong to you and you knowingly and consciously made the effort to steal potential profit from the original artist or, for example, a company who made that Role Playing Game software game. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

06-01-2010, 10:54 PM	#144 (permalink)
souggy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 9,541	Foxrac... I was using the general "you." You're still condoning an illegal act. Why are you defending the lower-class? __________________ "It is my task to convince you not to turn away because you don’t understand it." - Richard Freynman

06-01-2010, 10:55 PM	#146 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	So, sounds like somebody actually agrees that it is theft. And that it's not really hurting the big companies. Still, it's theft no matter how small or big the taking is. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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06-01-2010, 10:38 PM	#128 (permalink)
*naisho* Forum Disorders M.D.,Ph.D Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 6,161	Ok.. you "theft"-term collaborators can hold onto your own little world. I'll just refrain from trying to explain it to you any longer. I'll leave it to the day you're in court as the prosecution or as the jury, and for you to learn the lesson the hard way in front of everyone taking you and looking at you like a fool for your logic.

06-01-2010, 10:49 PM	#141 (permalink)
*naisho* Forum Disorders M.D.,Ph.D Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 6,161	By the way, just rubbing one last one in. Piracy will always remain regardless. A recent study conducted earlier this year found that even when the price of electronic software was reduced, the % of people pirating it still remains the same. The companies didn't earn any more revenue when they slashed prices, it was still being sold at the same amounts. It doesn't make a difference what you do. There will still be piracy and any marketing/management team in any company should know how to account for it beforehand. Like I said earlier microsoft is STILL pirated to this date. It doesn't change the fact that they still are earning money. They have BIGGER things to worry about than a group of non-paying people. A huge chunk of their profits come from related subsidiaries like CORPORATE BUSINESS, hello! XBOX sales still remain the same (in losses/breakeven) despite the change in the recent trend of advancement in pirating XBOX games. Keep dreamin', haters gonna hate.