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Unread 12-21-2008, 02:11 AM   #61 (permalink)
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It's time for me to buy LCD.
If it was 7 years ago, I would prefer CRT for no doubt.

Now, LCD technology is alot better.
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Unread 12-21-2008, 03:04 AM   #62 (permalink)
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The way I see it, going more than dual just means for today's multimedia world, you want the best for what's out there RIGHT NOW for the game that you want to play. It has nothing to do with future proofing, that's just a gimmick to make you feel safe about your buy.

Remember the SLI Voodoo 2 PCI's? Exact similar situation back in the late 90's. Game of choice then was Quake/Quake2 and in order to provide better framerates and higher memory (textures, etc) the V2SLI attracted people that desired this.


The purpose of adding more memory to a videocard is exactly for texture rendering. How much textures can be displayed, and how fast it can be done. There is a limit to due to how far the programmers allow for it to be done in the game. It's almost exactly for the same reasons of adding more memory over 2GB on a desktop system. Adding more is always beneficial, but the gains are so slight you won't even notice anything to the native eye, especially depending on what you are doing.

In a game, you could say, it goes both ways. How far the world gets drawn out in a RPG, how detailed the building looks in Fallout 3 or Farcry 2, etc. In multiplayer, for most programmers you want an equalized game for everyone so that no one can get an advantage just because of their system specs. So there are limits to background textures and stuff that can be controlled server-side.

And yeah, for CRT vs LCD. If you want higher refresh rates (VERY important for FPS games where everything is going by the nanoseconds) you'll want a CRT. It is able to draw images on the screen faster than LCD crystals can generate them. (Hence, higher refresh rates).

I haven't been playing for awhile, but the only game I last knew about where FPS mattered was Quake 3. If your FPS was set to max at 60 due to vsync or general LCD settings, there was this one block you could not jump over in multiplayer 1 vs 1 arena. If you bypassed the 60FPS cap, you were able to jump over this block. Sounds crazy, but if you saw it you'll know what I mean.
Yes, I am fully aware that more memory, smoother the video. It seem that once you have 256mb or 512mb graphic card, You probably wouldn't notice any difference as were if you were using 1gb or 2gb graphic card. Human eye don't see nanoseconds of it. All I know that GPU is one of the most important factor. Example, My basment system, AMD Althon XP system (old) and using ATI Radeon 9000 Pro which is very old to you. It cranks at 275mhz and it plays most games no problem. I do not believe it'll meet up with current heavy graphical games. I've seen some GPU around 500mhz to 1Ghz which make difference with current game. Gamers wanted no choppy video on games and able to move on next level without worry about GPU "bottleneck".

I agree with you about LCD monitors. Since that LCD monitor are restricted to 60hz refresh rate (lustfully changing to high res would do damage). The real problem is that LCD can't keep up with fastest movements. It'll "skip or blanks cuz it's too fast for crystal to change color. Also Changing the resolution of LCD monitor can be really a pain. I've messed with my work Dell LCD monitor. Most supervisors prefer set it to 1024x768 while I personally prefers 1600x1200 (that's the set resolution that LCD monitor setting according to it's Onscreen information). I can see text perfectly fine and it's cleaner and sharper. Any supervisors other than me would squint hard with :wag: and struggling to read like they're blind (hee hee hee ). The real problem is the LCD's pixle. More expensive LCD monitor tend to be more finer and cleaner that you can change resolution without seeing any "blurry" text or lines.


We now have new OLED TVs, I am beginning to wonder that OLED would be the fastest display for games cuz it's directly from LED instead of LCD. I would love to see what's the difference. I know it's lifespan is short but manufacter are improving it's lifespan tho.


I agree with you that programmer don't want to be unfair to anyone cuz of system spec that gamer own. I sure hope that they don't demand too much of graphic power just over tiny details of the games but the games today are much more finer and realistic than it was years ago. Thus it requires more processing power on CPU and GPU to make it smooth and fast with realisitc graphic. I hope the developer would find a new way to make graphic go really smooth, fine, and fast with less power on graphic card with fps all cranked up high.

I planned to buy 512mb or 1gb Nvidia PCI-E graphic card (GT model only!! ) for my son's AMD64 system. And also be compatible with Linux too if I plan to dual boot.

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Catty, try get the XFX brand they make good cards, but yeah i agree get at least the GT's..... dont piss about with the crippled cards , real waste of time this doesnt matter what generation series 7/8/9(nvidia) ......
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I read posters about LCD VS CRT.. There is none LCD better than CRT Monitor for whole rest.. However the hardcore gamers feel forced themselves buy LCD instead of CRT, Because CRT is no longer makings nor making many.. You guys know that CRT Monitor is STILL KING forever and ever!

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1) I understand how you feel.

2) You hit the right point that Upgrading graphic card only neccessary. I agree with you totally cuz Graphic card is a big role to make PC run faster, larger memory and faster Graphic processor make old PC run fast. Upgrading system memory is 2nd to par.

3) That's the secret of making system go fast.

4) AGP graphic card are still around. You can check at Ebay or go to computer store, You'll see some AGPs there. PCI-E are becoming a norm and now new PCI-E 2.0!!!

5) I have seen many Brand Name system like Dell, HP, Compaq, Levono ect often use Onboard graphic chipset that shares system memory which cause problem with some games and apps. Some system allow you to change graphic memory size through BIOS or Graphic chipset software. I prefer using graphic card over Onboard graphic chipset cuz it made everything runs smooth and fast without issue.

6) I want Nvidia too. ATI is as good as Nvida but have issue when using Linux running on Compiz (Beryl) "eyecandy" desktop. I prefer full "eyecandy" than 80%. Using ATI Radeon graphic card, I only can use 80% of Compiz's Eyecandy desktop, 20% can't work due to driver issue for ATI. Nvidia allow more like "rain" or "snow", puddle and more "eyecandy" which I am missing 20%. Right now I am seeing ATI improving on driver for newer ATI card and Ubuntu and many other Linuxes recommending ATI than Nvida because Nvidia isn't trying hard to build "propriety" driver for Linux. (Sheesh! Nvidia!!)

7) Some mobo allow up to 3 graphic cards, It either combine speed to one card or allow 3 or 6 monitors (hacker's system )

8) I also realized that PCI-E 1x (not 16x) short slot is being use for TV card, Network adapter and some hardware cards to plug in to in place of old PCI slot.

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1) Thank you for understanding.

2) Yeah Of course Graphic card is very key for upgrade or update when video card is out of update, then get new graphic card...

3) Yes, Can you tell me whats the secret making system run so fast? Mm..

4) I don't want to buy agp card from ebay, I feel doubt that seller would selling me ole card which could be out of update.. don't waste it. Thats what I consider to buy PCI-E which is more and more popular than ever. thats meaning I have to buy new motherboard, new memory ram, and new CPU as all upgrade parts which replace ole parts..

5) Yes thats VERY true..I actually loathe the completed system desktop pc built by Dell, HP, Compaq, Levono, on and on.. I must buy parts, new/ upgrade replace ole parts from my own built PC.

6) Yes, yes.. radeon cards are very good and quality. but Nvida is graphic-dominant and well-products!

7) Really?? If I put two graphic card installed in single PC, so i can hook two monitiors with single PC. You correct me if I am wrong?

8) Yes I aware of PCI adapter/slot is more different from PCI Express adapter/ slot.


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I hate it when I playing games 800x600 with lowest setting in Half-life 2 and others games because my video card is really low-profile Geforce 6200 TC 128MB so I've unistalled 5 games from my currently PC and use it for checking email, internet or whatever that will not cause my current pc slower. I'll buy 3 video cards GeForce GTX 260 for my 2nd PC that would be best to play any games and good for up to 5 years or so...
Unbelievably.. HA! Honest I don't know what you talk about 800x600 setting for games, because I am behind from PC gaming. And I don't knowledge about PC gaming and settings resolution screen like you do.. But that's very interesting about dual graphic cards & settings! Wow, that's very impressive! you are knowledge & a hardcore PC gamer..
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Catty, try get the XFX brand they make good cards, but yeah i agree get at least the GT's..... dont piss about with the crippled cards , real waste of time this doesnt matter what generation series 7/8/9(nvidia) ......
I saw XFX brand at Microcenter on sale. Shoot! didn't have $$ ready for it. Eventually tho.

I would go and review updated graphic cards for Linux to see which is which can play Compiz 100%

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7) Really?? If I put two graphic card installed in single PC, so i can hook two monitiors with single PC. You correct me if I am wrong?
Not neccessary, There are one graphic card with two jacks called "D-sub" or one D-stub and one "LCD monitor Jack".



My ATI Radeon 9000 Pro graphic card can connects two monitors, One directly from D-sub and other using dongle (LCD jack on graphic card to D-sub converter for CRT montior). I used that few years ago. Right now, don't have room for two monitors and also didn't need 2nd for one system tho.


http://www.tigerdirect.com/include/A...9616&imgcart=1

See that pix showing graphic card with two heads. That's Dual head. You can just buy one card to hook up two montior.

There are many brands with dual head. You just simply buy ONE graphic card of your choice with dual head and plug in your system and plug in two monitor to one graphic card. The Windows XP or Vista's Display Property setting will show two "monitors" like Monitor 1 and Monitor 2. You can configure it to set wide XP or Vista desktop on two monitor. Wish you good luck look for mouse pointer hidden in one of two monitor . You'll have to move mouse in circle to find pointer and follow it.


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Single video card can performs 2 monitors since they have 2 DVI input included, usually for GeForce 8, 9 and 200's series.
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I read posters about LCD VS CRT.. There is none LCD better than CRT Monitor for whole rest.. However the hardcore gamers feel forced themselves buy LCD instead of CRT, Because CRT is no longer makings nor making many.. You guys know that CRT Monitor is STILL KING forever and ever!
There's still CRT on market, you can order via online.

Mixed of hardcore gamers prefer either CRT or LCD, LCD technology has improved and refresh rate is almost compare to CRT.

I don't bother to say king, however you can say it.
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Go Green, dude. LCD Is much better in power conservation
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Go Green, dude. LCD Is much better in power conservation
I will soon... If I have $$'s to spend, I would buy smaller system and get 22" or 24" LCD monitor. I am going Green!
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Here is my computer that I built in October of this year,

Motherboard - Intel DG45ID with HDMI and DVI graphics port

Processor - Intel Core2Duo 2.53 GHz

Memory - DDR2 4 GB 800 MHz

Harddrive - Samsung 750 GB SATA 7200 RPM

DVD/CD Drive - Samsung 20x Internal SATA burner/reader

OS - Windows Vista Home Premium Service Pack 1

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Added another harddrive to use as backup - 200 Samsung GB SATA 7200 RPM
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so what's your electric bill is like?

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I plan to get those meet my wise budget, but i am not sure which one of hardware for gaming PC. I sometime will play video games on PC.

EVGA 9400GT 1GB PCI Video Card or XFX 9400GT 1GB PCI-Express Video Card -


BioStar MCP6P M2+ Motherboard or MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 AM2+ Motherboard NVIDIA GeForce 6150


AMD Phenom II X4 920 Bx or AMD Phenom™ X3 8650 BOX Triple-Core or AMD Athlon™ II X4 620 Box


Mid-tower case: HAF 922 (i am fan of cooler master) or keep my old tower case.

I would spend on those parts about $410, without HAF 922. With HAF 922 be about $520. economic gaming pc is better than ALIENWARE, HP, VOODOO PC GAMING for $1,200 to 4,000..

But i really DROOL the new design alienware case (2010), I wish that they selling alienware case only..
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I hate Alienware's new cases, look smaller than before. I like the full tower case better, it's more easier to accessible, more room for bigger video cards, and running cooler.
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XBGMR,

I know you hate Macs...but believe it or not...a iMac with a 256 MB VRAM Radeon video card has faster fps than a PC with a 1 GB VRAM Video card in a all in one PC....sad, huh?

So, bigger VRAM doesn't mean better...it depends how good the video card itself is....
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I plan to get those meet my wise budget, but i am not sure which one of hardware for gaming PC. I sometime will play video games on PC.

EVGA 9400GT 1GB PCI Video Card or XFX 9400GT 1GB PCI-Express Video Card -


BioStar MCP6P M2+ Motherboard or MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 AM2+ Motherboard NVIDIA GeForce 6150


AMD Phenom II X4 920 Bx or AMD Phenom™ X3 8650 BOX Triple-Core or AMD Athlon™ II X4 620 Box


Mid-tower case: HAF 922 (i am fan of cooler master) or keep my old tower case.

I would spend on those parts about $410, without HAF 922. With HAF 922 be about $520. economic gaming pc is better than ALIENWARE, HP, VOODOO PC GAMING for $1,200 to 4,000..

But i really DROOL the new design alienware case (2010), I wish that they selling alienware case only..
I am fan of cooler master because of many fans in cases that help the heats out of case to keep motherboard/cpu cool. I have a HAF 932 as you see my picture I see that HAF 922 is mid tower and mine HAF 932 is full tower because of my video card GTX 260 is big and very tight fit in my old mid case so I decided to bought HAF932 from Fry's Electronics.
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ew on that machine... not the best


biostar isnt a good board ... i recommended for asus mobo. ill make wishlist from newegg.com that you would bet on it
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I know you hate Macs...but believe it or not...a iMac with a 256 MB VRAM Radeon video card has faster fps than a PC with a 1 GB VRAM Video card in a all in one PC....sad, huh?

So, bigger VRAM doesn't mean better...it depends how good the video card itself is....
Right. speed is about video core clock, video memory size, video memory interface, and video memory type. It not just VRAM.

Same idea V6 3.8L with DOHC is faster than V8 4.2L with OHV. Size do not matter.
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There's still CRT on market, you can order via online.

Mixed of hardcore gamers prefer either CRT or LCD, LCD technology has improved and refresh rate is almost compare to CRT.

I don't bother to say king, however you can say it.
I remember five years ago. Mostly LCD used 25ms (response time) and CRT was 1ms. I can noticed between 25ms and 1ms are different due "ghost image"

Right now new LCD already have 2ms . I don't think everyone can noticed between 1ms and 2ms anymore.

I bet Derek read outdate posters.
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Yeah It is mid-sized tower case.. they actually notice the most gamers buy the line of slimline gaming case such as cube gaming, mATX cases are popular than ever. pro gamers can carry their adorable little case for tournament such as MLG, others. thats why alienware redesigned the case's size down to MicroATX PC like others. and they offer causal gamer and customers..


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XBGMR,

I know you hate Macs...but believe it or not...a iMac with a 256 MB VRAM Radeon video card has faster fps than a PC with a 1 GB VRAM Video card in a all in one PC....sad, huh?

So, bigger VRAM doesn't mean better...it depends how good the video card itself is....
Sequoias, don't take a personal.. Ahh I never said I hate Macs. like i said MACS is not suit for me. MAC is not for everyone. .. please remember that my knowledge is limit to MACS stuffs.. I honestly respect MAC users without bash them who using their MACs. Mac users have their own MAC laptop or desktop for million reasons. I just make a point about mac whatever someone who bring it up to me.

What VRAM stand for? See, MAC is partnership with ATI products..but i know ati making the special video card for MAC only.. Seq, really? are you talking about the ancient iMac's video card vs modern PC's videocard? I don't know iMac with a 256MB VRAM videocard has fast fps than PC.. who cares? like people saying PS3 is better than XBOX 360, blah. Many pro gamers use iMac gaming for major video games? anyway whats imac's fps? I aware both PC and XBOX 360's 60 fps are fast than PS3's 30fps.

Mm.. My knowledge is limit to MAC, because I don't aggressive motive to learning about MAC. no plan to buy mac in future for me. but thank you for share with me about MAC stuffs.. move on..

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I am fan of cooler master because of many fans in cases that help the heats out of case to keep motherboard/cpu cool. I have a HAF 932 as you see my picture I see that HAF 922 is mid tower and mine HAF 932 is full tower because of my video card GTX 260 is big and very tight fit in my old mid case so I decided to bought HAF932 from Fry's Electronics.
Christer, I honestly didnt know that HAF 932 owned you.. Your tower case is AWESOME without looking funny nor ugly... Yeah I saw two tower case of HAF series at FRY's store. i looked different tower cases on shelf, some how Tower HAF really caught my attetion quickly. because it is sooo beautiful design case and unique among tower cases. I was thought HAF tower Case is best design & choice than Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Case. You really tempt me to get HAF case, grrrrr.. thank a lot.. Ha

Anyway I look at your case in picture, you using AC system for cpu.. Do you sometime thinking about getting the water cooler system in your PC? I really started thought about getta the Corsair H50 Hydro which is the mini water cooler system for CPU, because I saw it at FRYs. its cost 80 bucks, thats cheap and steal a deal.

I looked videoclips on youtube and reviews positively comment about Corsair H50 Hydro.

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ackshun, Yeah, for long time ago, I was used to have asus mobo when some deaf people helped me built my pc and they kept tell me to buy asus mobo, then followed their @$$.. My knowledge growing about motherboards after some deaf educated me about motherboard specs. I aint following others anymore.. whichever of AMD Mainboards is right mate for me. many times deaf people always say asus is better, then now you saying it, yawn and give me a break.. this is not high school, hello... sorry, I already decided to purchase the MSI motherboard above biostar. because I dont familiar with biostar products alots. I have MSi motherboard in old tower since 2001 somethings. my ancient MSI motherboard is still in my old pc running very function as well. thats why I ended up to purchased the same MSI (AMD) mothermother along with the Geforce GT9 PCIe x16 Videocard and other parts for Nexus of building PC tower.
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More VRAM in graphic card is good for texture and high resolution, additional, there's 64 bit, 128 bit, 256 bit, etc in system bus, 64 bit system bus support up to 128 MB, 128 bit support up to 256 MB, 256 bit support up to 512 MB to get full performance, if don't so good for texture and high resolution so it has very little or no influence on speed.
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More VRAM in graphic card is good for texture and high resolution, additional, there's 64 bit, 128 bit, 256 bit, etc in system bus, 64 bit system bus support up to 128 MB, 128 bit support up to 256 MB, 256 bit support up to 512 MB to get full performance, if don't so good for texture and high resolution so it has very little or no influence on speed.
Yeah thank for explain and education..

Once again, thank for replies so quickly..
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Yeah thank for explain and education..

Once again, thank for replies so quickly..
Thanks, I just got learned from PC gaming forum.
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Thanks, I just got learned from PC gaming forum.
Yeah supercool... I do sometime learning it from PC mags.. Anyway, I can't wait to re-build PC DESKTOP soon, I already collected all new Mainboard, VC, HDD.. so i need AMD CPU, power supply, liquid cooler, and tower cases.. I wanted to play some video games on pc desktop instead of notebook..
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This is my next gen-gaming rig!


My next gen gaming rig! Believe or not: I paid those by full $$$$.. (no kidding)

However there are two more left: AMD CPU and Memory RAM, I need. I can't wait..


I will keep to post you update when my gaming rig build done..
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My next gen gaming rig! Believe or not: I paid those by full $$$$.. (no kidding)

However there are two more left: AMD CPU and Memory RAM, I need. I can't wait..


I will keep to post you update when my gaming rig build done..
WOW! Good luck with your new rig! I finish build my computer a year ago and I am happy with my rig.
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Unread 10-29-2009, 05:17 PM   #89 (permalink)
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My next gen gaming rig! Believe or not: I paid those by full $$$$.. (no kidding)

However there are two more left: AMD CPU and Memory RAM, I need. I can't wait..


I will keep to post you update when my gaming rig build done..
Congrat on your new PC rig...
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Unread 10-31-2009, 06:48 PM   #90 (permalink)
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My Gaming rig!

Ahh, I finish to built my beautiful gaming rig!


Mainboard: MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 (MicroATX)
Power Supply: Cooler Master ATX 460w
CPU: AMD Phenom II x 2 processor 3.10Ghz
System: Corsair Hydro H50 (Water Cooled)
Video Card: Geforce 9500 GT 1GB DDR2
Hard Drive: Seagate - 500GB
OS: Windows Vista Home Premium 32bit
Case: HAF 922
MEMORY: Corsair 4GB RAM
Rom drives: SONY DVD ROM, & SONY DVD RW ROM

My rig is the major gaming only, no else..

(I will be organize the wires in clean)
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