Jiro

simple - get a small pliers and pull the pins back

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Foxrac

Ok, when put CPU in socket then should put so easily, not too hard?

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Jiro

just wiggle it in. you'll be fine.

Foxrac

Ok, got it, thanks.

I will try it when upgrade the CPU in later, also included with build a PC in near future.

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purplecatty

Nah, Use Sledgehammer to slam the processor into socket!!

j/k


I know handling processor with your hand can be hairy. You don't want to drop it on floor or table even just few inches to the surface (remmy that some processor like AMD 64 processor which is known to be big and heavy, you can easily bend pins just dropping it few inches to surface!) Treat it like it's a fragile glass. Be sure that you have enough grips on your hand that you would want to handle processor to slot by fingertips grip.

When you build new system, Be sure the processor socket lever is pulled fully up before inserting. inserting processor is easy, I never had issue with it cuz I follow the beveled end that matches the socket's bevel end (you know pins to hole that matches on beveled lined holes). All you have to do is to place processor down slow and easy and nudge it around a little bit till it plops to the socket holes completely flat then close and lock the lever.

Be sure you don't put too much thermal pastes, just a ball size of one Mini M&M's. Use Antec Silver or high quality heat conducting paste that can absorb heat well to keep processor cool all the time. Using cheap white thermal paste or stick-on thermal paste would cause processor to run a little more hotter. Heat Pipe or water cooler is the best cooling device to use. If you are using an ordinary cooler, Don't use Aluminuim finned cooler, use Copper core finned cooler cuz Copper absorb heat more quickly than Aluminuim. Trust me on that!!

My AMD64 system use Heatpipe cooler and it kept it down to 23c on a "Quiet" mode on ABIT AV8 board but currently, I have replacement AMD64 board which is a MSI Microstar MS-7093 mobo and it have a lousy "Cool n Quiet" BIOS setup and AMD64 processor is currently running 38c to 45c on normal operation. Oh well!!


Catty

Christer

The reason why I like big tower because more airflow and space. Also I will buy 3 video cards (SLI) GeForce GTX 260 for my new computer. That video card are big and most small and medium tower won't fit so I bought full tower Cosmos 1000. I am a hardcore gamer.

Foxrac

Yup, GeForce 9800 GTX, that what I'm using is very big but GTX 260 beats 9800 GTX by miles.

It's good for play games at 1440 x 900 with near max setting, except for AA, however I bought new 22" monitor with 1650 x 1050 and won't able to max all setting out anymore, I'm going to get GTX 260 in later or wait until Nvidia update the video card in 2009.

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XBGMER

Wow posters didn't even notice what person says in two posts that had different stores. **scratches my head**

His BUSTED already!

his first post says He built other friend's pc that his experince and Second post says he uninstalled cpu off from socket in his PC and reinstalled it the wrong place/ improper anyhow it had damaged. I don't want more saying into details.. Mmm..

Yeah, thats would be nice to have HDD 1TB, GOOD EUFF.. Otherwise I have been thinking about get HDD 500GB, then buy another HDD 500GB later.

A) Dude, Don't blame me> in 1998 around I was awkward and newbie learn how to built my own PC. My friend taught and show me his own built PC and he told me everything's pc instructions and about mainboard. Because I was thought he is knowledge about PC. Ha thats how i took his advice from Him had mentioned about buy motherboard every year because upgrade and improve. I was learned how to built PC and even grew my knowledge of PC quicker than him after I was gullible, & followed his ass for few months...

B) Yeah my other friend criticize him who was told me about that for long times ago before you said in post. Now see parts included motherboard in MY PC are still manufactured 2001, it running very well smooth. I aint going to replace the motherboard. However My videocard is out of update drivers no longer. So Video Card upgrade that is necessary! (I don't know if they are still make videocard AGP in market?).. I am very tempt to buy NVIDIA MainBoard. Radeon is very good. but I am huge crazy freaking fan of Nvidia video and AMD processor for my entiely life, period.

Remember that learning is NEVER stop.

Dude, Now I got it.. Whoa, whoa! excuse me, I am very behind about dual video cards.. You will get three videocard and put them in Single PC? all I can saying "WOW, are you kidding?". You can't blame me that I aint in Strongly PC gamer. You tell me why you want more than one video card in PC? I just curious and love to learning something new! I want to give a try someday.. who knows.. ha!

Foxrac

You seems don't got it, let me make clarity.

I have 2 different PC, 1 was old HP and threw away and other is recent new Dell PC.

I did damaged to CPU, it was happened in last year, not this year and I had learned my lesson but loss hasn't done because I already had iMac at this time, after I got tired of iMac then decided to sold out then make 2 decision, I want new gaming PC from Dell or build own PC, build an PC would have different of brand on hardware, when more than one specified hardware become defective then have call right company to replace so individual but when compare to branded PC, if hardware is defective then can call Dell for replacement without any issue, I decided goes with brand gaming PC for now and now, my issue about warranty is least concern, it was very concern at earlier.

I did helped my friend to built his PC and I don't insert CPU in but rather let him to handle with CPU. I just only put PSU, motherboard, RAM and hardware, that all what I think so and it was in last summer this year.

What you means busted? Please don't rude at me, I just tried make clarity, thanks.

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purplecatty

I understand how you feel.

You hit the right point that Upgrading graphic card only neccessary. I agree with you totally cuz Graphic card is a big role to make PC run faster, larger memory and faster Graphic processor make old PC run fast. Upgrading system memory is 2nd to par.

That's the secret of making system go fast.

AGP graphic card are still around. You can check at Ebay or go to computer store, You'll see some AGPs there. PCI-E are becoming a norm and now new PCI-E 2.0!!!

I have seen many Brand Name system like Dell, HP, Compaq, Levono ect often use Onboard graphic chipset that shares system memory which cause problem with some games and apps. Some system allow you to change graphic memory size through BIOS or Graphic chipset software. I prefer using graphic card over Onboard graphic chipset cuz it made everything runs smooth and fast without issue.

I want Nvidia too. ATI is as good as Nvida but have issue when using Linux running on Compiz (Beryl) "eyecandy" desktop. I prefer full "eyecandy" than 80%. Using ATI Radeon graphic card, I only can use 80% of Compiz's Eyecandy desktop, 20% can't work due to driver issue for ATI. Nvidia allow more like "rain" or "snow", puddle and more "eyecandy" which I am missing 20%. Right now I am seeing ATI improving on driver for newer ATI card and Ubuntu and many other Linuxes recommending ATI than Nvida because Nvidia isn't trying hard to build "propriety" driver for Linux. (Sheesh! Nvidia!!)

Some mobo allow up to 3 graphic cards, It either combine speed to one card or allow 3 or 6 monitors (hacker's system )

I also realized that PCI-E 1x (not 16x) short slot is being use for TV card, Network adapter and some hardware cards to plug in to in place of old PCI slot.

Catty

Foxrac

I think it could up to 4 video card, known as Quad SLI.

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Christer

4 video cards!?! HOLY SMOKE!

Foxrac

Yup, lol, I'm not crazy over SLI Quad, it eat alot of watts.

For me, single or dual SLI is enough, I'm personally prefers powerful single card because not all games could handle with SLI.

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DoVip

I am like oh fuck! holy mother!

DoVip

I see. thats cool!

naisho

Wow, I'd wonder what needs that much graphical processing power outside of studio related purposes. You could probably play Crisis/F.E.A.R. with everything turned up for the cost of like, $1500 in video cards.

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Christer

I hate it when I playing games 800x600 with lowest setting in Half-life 2 and others games because my video card is really low-profile Geforce 6200 TC 128MB so I've unistalled 5 games from my currently PC and use it for checking email, internet or whatever that will not cause my current pc slower. I'll buy 3 video cards GeForce GTX 260 for my 2nd PC that would be best to play any games and good for up to 5 years or so...

Christer

if 4 video cards, I recommanded 1000 watts or up.

Foxrac

Yup, LCD looks horrible when not play games at native resolution.

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Foxrac

Of course but I'm not interested in 4 graphic cards.

In long time ago, I don't realize about difference on between GTX 260 and GTX 280 for power plug, GTX 260 has 2 of 6 pins and GTX 280 has 1 of 6 pin and 1 of 8 pin, PSU in my PC only have 2 of 6 pin.

I went ahead got 9800 GTX due good sale from newegg but won't performs on recent games under 1650 x 1050 at max setting after got new monitor since my old monitor is only 1440 x 900 then I had turned few setting so down to speed the FPS up.

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purplecatty

Sheesh! what a graphic monsters!!

Betcha you won't be needing upgrade nearly 10 years. I am seeing pix of graphic cards lined up that cooling fans are sucking thin not getting enuf air to cool GPU!! Interesting. Where's breathing room for it?

Catty

purplecatty

What about graphic card with 1GB or 2GB DDR3 memory? Would that be enuf to run game with settings all cranked up to max?

Catty

Christer

I can't stop thinking about GeForce 260 and staring pictures in newegg.com and read all reviews about it. lol. I can't wait to get it for my new computer. It comes with free game FarCry 2

Foxrac

Probably, I believe more VRAM will handle with high resolution.

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Christer

why LCD is horrible when ply games? Well I found CRT Dell model M781s from outside someone throw it and it looks nice and I did a little bit research about it and found out that CRT can up to 1600x1200 @65hz. So I don't have to buy new LCD, lucky me

Foxrac

It's probably different display technology or ms when you don't set at native resolution.

For me, I prefer LCD.

If LCD's native resolution is 1650 x 1050, it means games should be settled at 1650 x 1050 for better picture.

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Christer

It's time for me to buy LCD.

Jiro

because of refresh rate. some hardcore pro-gamer uses CRT (usually designed for graphic artist). There are some LCDS that have outstanding rich quality but they are very expensive.

Grummer

just leave it out, or put it in a MASSIVE Server case, the one which house 4 motherboards (yes indeed, its ONE computer, dual CPU sockets, just a different breed, its al commerical grade stuff.

buying BIG cases from computer shops doesnt cut it, get it from on line auctions (or real auctions) - the de-commissioned server(S) from server farms, and pull out all the innards these will be old high end mobos, scuzzys and such.. you might even have to do your own measuring and drilling to screw in the bass pins for housing your own 'standard PC mobos' ....

with this kind of case, its also a good idea to blue print your own 'air flow' plan, and make use of getting really good 120mm fans ( they turn over quieter)
i dont want to get into arguements about airflow in 'blow in or blow out' geez very cases are different, in most cases its blow in the cold air , and draw out the hot air excess FROM the video cards, not that hard to understand, really


hmm i dunno about buying 4 cards now lol, cuz inlike 2-3 years ONE good card will do the ob of today's 2-3 card easy... it happens all the time, its just a bragging rights and really who gives a fuck? except Professional gamers would HAVE to have the quad SLI or SLI, while for 95% of us it doesnt make much difference

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naisho

The way I see it, going more than dual just means for today's multimedia world, you want the best for what's out there RIGHT NOW for the game that you want to play. It has nothing to do with future proofing, that's just a gimmick to make you feel safe about your buy.

Remember the SLI Voodoo 2 PCI's? Exact similar situation back in the late 90's. Game of choice then was Quake/Quake2 and in order to provide better framerates and higher memory (textures, etc) the V2SLI attracted people that desired this.

The purpose of adding more memory to a videocard is exactly for texture rendering. How much textures can be displayed, and how fast it can be done. There is a limit to due to how far the programmers allow for it to be done in the game. It's almost exactly for the same reasons of adding more memory over 2GB on a desktop system. Adding more is always beneficial, but the gains are so slight you won't even notice anything to the native eye, especially depending on what you are doing.

In a game, you could say, it goes both ways. How far the world gets drawn out in a RPG, how detailed the building looks in Fallout 3 or Farcry 2, etc. In multiplayer, for most programmers you want an equalized game for everyone so that no one can get an advantage just because of their system specs. So there are limits to background textures and stuff that can be controlled server-side.

And yeah, for CRT vs LCD. If you want higher refresh rates (VERY important for FPS games where everything is going by the nanoseconds) you'll want a CRT. It is able to draw images on the screen faster than LCD crystals can generate them. (Hence, higher refresh rates).

I haven't been playing for awhile, but the only game I last knew about where FPS mattered was Quake 3. If your FPS was set to max at 60 due to vsync or general LCD settings, there was this one block you could not jump over in multiplayer 1 vs 1 arena. If you bypassed the 60FPS cap, you were able to jump over this block. Sounds crazy, but if you saw it you'll know what I mean.