Canon TV? WTF?

01-12-2006, 06:58 AM

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/...spx?i=2666&p=8

I think it's stupid.

deafclimber · 01-12-2006, 07:25 AM

interesting... it is because SED may be future but they said they cant compare that with LCD and Plasma. its goal is to bring some of the good qualities of CRT displays (response time, brightness, black levels) to a fixed pixel, very thin, low power display. it may not require the liquids like LCD and Plasma which cant match with CRT level image quality.

SED tvs may be on market in the future. some articles say SED tvs will cost more than LCD tvs.

http://thetechsage.com/archive/2004/09/29/236.aspx

good info about SED
http://searchwin2000.techtarget.com/...797765,00.html

btw i am loyal to canon. i love digital cameras especially EOS Digital Rebel SLR and my own SD550.

rhr · 01-12-2006, 09:25 PM

Remember we talk about LCD, Plasma, DLP
LCD = up to 60,000 hours will borken
Plasma = up to 30,000 hours will broken
DLP = limit 8,000 hours broken then replace chip

CRT never broken, it is lifetime
Also fast smooth 1ms or less than LCD, Plasma, DLP

SED same size as Flat pancal (LCD and Plasma)
SED same CRT screen good games or super games, or 3D-CAD they are good smooth than LCD and Plasma

SED and CRT are very fast than LCD and Plasma

GalaxyAngel · 01-12-2006, 09:50 PM

Yadda!,
I've been there and heard about the cosmsor reports about CRT.. issues which will not come broken.. and always permantly lifetime!
Espically LCD will come short term years and barely hard to replace the kind of parts or never.. Pretty quite costly...

Wait and see until will come another cosumsor reports incoming.. to see update!

Teresh · 01-12-2006, 10:10 PM

Meep. I think OLED is the future, although how likely it is to be implemented in large-scale displays is hard to know. It's definately going to replace LCDs on handheld devices such as pagers and digital cameras, tho.

01-13-2006, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

Remember we talk about LCD, Plasma, DLP
LCD = up to 60,000 hours will borken
Plasma = up to 30,000 hours will broken
DLP = limit 8,000 hours broken then replace chip

CRT never broken, it is lifetime
Also fast smooth 1ms or less than LCD, Plasma, DLP

SED same size as Flat pancal (LCD and Plasma)
SED same CRT screen good games or super games, or 3D-CAD they are good smooth than LCD and Plasma

SED and CRT are very fast than LCD and Plasma

Yes but SED is very slow refresh rate

You notice dark bar arcoss the screen?

I am not sure about watts for SED. Maybe it is very high than LCD Plasma

01-13-2006, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teresh

Meep. I think OLED is the future, although how likely it is to be implemented in large-scale displays is hard to know. It's definately going to replace LCDs on handheld devices such as pagers and digital cameras, tho.

Hehe. That's would be nice.

Red Planet have same like that but ofc it fake but it's happen!

deafclimber · 01-13-2006, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo

Yes but SED is very slow refresh rate

You notice dark bar arcoss the screen?

I am not sure about watts for SED. Maybe it is very high than LCD Plasma

no, they are not not higher as LCD. SEDs are very environment friendly displays. i think SEDs are far better than LCDs. i am glad you brought up this thread. i research some little bits. i find it very interesting !

http://www.soundscapeav.com/sed/SEDtech.htm

webexplorer · 01-13-2006, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

Remember we talk about LCD, Plasma, DLP
LCD = up to 60,000 hours will borken
Plasma = up to 30,000 hours will broken
DLP = limit 8,000 hours broken then replace chip

CRT never broken, it is lifetime
Also fast smooth 1ms or less than LCD, Plasma, DLP

SED same size as Flat pancal (LCD and Plasma)
SED same CRT screen good games or super games, or 3D-CAD they are good smooth than LCD and Plasma

SED and CRT are very fast than LCD and Plasma

Thank you for reminding us for the information.

I think that a LCD monitor is better because it has no radiation or maybe a very little radiation. CRT has a lot of radiation that makes your eyes tire especially eyes stress from looking at the monitor. I never heard of SED, and I guess I'm behind the news. I believe that a CRT monitor produces a lot of electricity than a LCD monitor.

Let's imagine that we have a big plasma or LCD TV monitor that is broken. Do we really have to throw it away that we paid so much money for it?

I was told that in 2009, all TV broadcasts will only connect to all flat monitors, and they will stop broadcast our CRT TV. We have to prepare to buy a new one in a few more years, and I hope that the prices will go down. But, who knows.

rhr · 01-13-2006, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teresh

Meep. I think OLED is the future, although how likely it is to be implemented in large-scale displays is hard to know. It's definately going to replace LCDs on handheld devices such as pagers and digital cameras, tho.

I remember I read OLED is not full color, I think about limit 80,000 color, I want 32 million color

rhr · 01-13-2006, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webexplorer

Thank you for reminding us for the information.

I think that a LCD monitor is better because it has no radiation or maybe a very little radiation. CRT has a lot of radiation that makes your eyes tire especially eyes stress from looking at the monitor. I never heard of SED, and I guess I'm behind the news. I believe that a CRT monitor produces a lot of electricity than a LCD monitor.

Let's imagine that we have a big plasma or LCD TV monitor that is broken. Do we really have to throw it away that we paid so much money for it?

I was told that in 2009, all TV broadcasts will only connect to all flat monitors, and they will stop broadcast our CRT TV. We have to prepare to buy a new one in a few more years, and I hope that the prices will go down. But, who knows.

you are right, but LCD's screen is hot! screen will give your face to tan or dark or face is wet

LCD can damage eyes I remember I read pager and cell's lcd about last fall, you go search "LCD Damage Eyes"

webexplorer · 01-13-2006, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

you are right, but LCD's screen is hot! screen will give your face to tan or dark or face is wet

LCD can damage eyes I remember I read pager and cell's lcd about last fall, you go search "LCD Damage Eyes"

I just checked the google about LCD Damage Eyes. Actually, it has to do with the special video screen sunglasses with built-in LCD which is too close to your eyes, and it is not good idea. (Actually, I did not know that.) Here is the photo that I found on the internet - for example :

rhr · 01-14-2006, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webexplorer

I just checked the google about LCD Damage Eyes. Actually, it has to do with the special video screen sunglasses with built-in LCD which is too close to your eyes, and it is not good idea. (Actually, I did not know that.) Here is the photo that I found on the internet - for example :

no! not VR Headset, I saw CNN's Tech Cell can damage eyes. I lost website

erik1974 · 02-10-2006, 11:57 AM

In a few years the newest display generation OLED (Organic light emitting diode) is coming over the world.

More about OLEDs at:
http://www.oled-display.net
http://www.oled.at

02-10-2006, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erik1974

In a few years the newest display generation OLED (Organic light emitting diode) is coming over the world.

More about OLEDs at:
http://www.oled-display.net
http://www.oled.at

I still wait for OLEDs keyboard since last year.

http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/

diehardbiker · 02-10-2006, 12:29 PM

This is misleading! CRT DO break down! It got half life of these LCD monitor!!! I had third CRT monitors!!! The last two was broken in about 7 years of leaving it on 24/7

Whats more, once CRT breaks, it is way too expensive to fix it and cheaper to replace it with other CRT. On other hand LCD monitor do break, but they all need is replace the light bulb which is inexpensive. That is BIG advantage over CRT.

Your correct about the video quality between CRT and other flat screen. BUT Flat screen quality is getting better every year, as I have noticed!

Trust me, in about 10 years from now, CRT monitor and these glass tubed TV will be a thing of past (History) and we won't be seeing them anymore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

Remember we talk about LCD, Plasma, DLP
LCD = up to 60,000 hours will borken
Plasma = up to 30,000 hours will broken
DLP = limit 8,000 hours broken then replace chip

CRT never broken, it is lifetime
Also fast smooth 1ms or less than LCD, Plasma, DLP

SED same size as Flat pancal (LCD and Plasma)
SED same CRT screen good games or super games, or 3D-CAD they are good smooth than LCD and Plasma

SED and CRT are very fast than LCD and Plasma

02-10-2006, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker65

This is misleading! CRT DO break down! It got half life of these LCD monitor!!! I had third CRT monitors!!! The last two was broken in about 7 years of leaving it on 24/7

Maybe you got cheap brand. My parents have Nec 25" and it work great for 20 years already. So finally They bought new LCD HDTV 30"

Quote:

Whats more, once CRT breaks, it is way too expensive to fix it and cheaper to replace it with other CRT. On other hand LCD monitor do break, but they all need is replace the light bulb which is inexpensive. That is BIG advantage over CRT.

Correct. CRT is very danger for high volts. It can shock you during it's UNPLUG.

webexplorer · 02-10-2006, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo

Maybe you got cheap brand. My parents have Nec 25" and it work great for 20 years already. So finally They bought new LCD HDTV 30"

Correct. CRT is very danger for high volts. It can shock you during it's UNPLUG.

I wonder how your parents got the money to buy that huge LCD monitor. They are lucky to have one at their house. Darn it.

Teresh · 02-10-2006, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

I remember I read OLED is not full color, I think about limit 80,000 color, I want 32 million color

You read wrong. OLED can support as many colors as most other display systems. The number of colors on computers is capped for memory reasons rather than anything else. a 1024x768 resolution on your monitor at 24 bit color would require 2 MB of RAM just to put pictures on the screen. Most operating systems do double buffering, so that triples the amount of memory needed. 32 million colors would be 25 bits, which is a nonsense number, as for logistical reasons you should only increment in multiples of 8 as there are 8 bits in a byte.

The next step up would be 32 bit color. That would provide us over 4 billion colors. At the same resolution, it would need 9.5 MB. At 1280x1024, it's 15 MB.

There really isn't much value to 32 bit color because humans can't even distinguish the difference between FFFF09 and FFFF10 in 24 bit color anyway. Why waste so much more memory when people cannot even perceive the difference you are trying to convey?

EDGE · 02-10-2006, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

CRT never broken, it is lifetime
Also fast smooth 1ms or less than LCD, Plasma, DLP

Sure, it's lifetime, but it always fade away. Most of time, it fade away after use more than 5 years.

rhr · 02-10-2006, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erik1974

In a few years the newest display generation OLED (Organic light emitting diode) is coming over the world.

More about OLEDs at:
http://www.oled-display.net
http://www.oled.at

OLED is limit color not 1.2 millions, about 300,000 or less

rhr · 02-10-2006, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo

I still wait for OLEDs keyboard since last year.

http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/

hey if you touch keyboard with OLED, your finger have oil on key, later OLED will burn and broken same LED, TV, Bulb, finger never touch

rhr · 02-10-2006, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teresh

You read wrong. OLED can support as many colors as most other display systems. The number of colors on computers is capped for memory reasons rather than anything else. a 1024x768 resolution on your monitor at 24 bit color would require 2 MB of RAM just to put pictures on the screen. Most operating systems do double buffering, so that triples the amount of memory needed. 32 million colors would be 25 bits, which is a nonsense number, as for logistical reasons you should only increment in multiples of 8 as there are 8 bits in a byte.

The next step up would be 32 bit color. That would provide us over 4 billion colors. At the same resolution, it would need 9.5 MB. At 1280x1024, it's 15 MB.

There really isn't much value to 32 bit color because humans can't even distinguish the difference between FFFF09 and FFFF10 in 24 bit color anyway. Why waste so much more memory when people cannot even perceive the difference you are trying to convey?

you are wrong, it is R-G-B (red-green-blue) only 3 light
0 = dark to 255 light only max 255 (FF)

112233 = 11 is red 22 is green 33 is blue 3 match one see color

OLED not have up to 255 max maybe only 8 x 8 x 8
CRT, LCD, ready up to 255 x 255 x 255

Where you saw OLED more color SHOW ME !
I found Espon TV is limit color

Teresh · 02-10-2006, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

OLED is limit color not 1.2 millions, about 300,000 or less

:bsflag:

Stop perpetuating falsehoods when you don't even know what you're talking about.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

you are wrong, it is R-G-B (red-green-blue) only 3 light
0 = dark to 255 light only max 255 (FF)

112233 = 11 is red 22 is green 33 is blue 3 match one see color

OLED not have up to 255 max maybe only 8 x 8 x 8
CRT, LCD, ready up to 255 x 255 x 255

Where you saw OLED more color SHOW ME !
I found Espon TV is limit color

ANY recent display technology can emit at least a byte worth of colors for red, green and blue. That includes OLED. OLED would not be poised to replace LCD if it could not display as many colors. The fact is, however, that it can actually display *more*.

Chew on this

Quote:

Unlike LCDs which employ a back-light and are incapable of showing true black, an off OLED element produces no light, potentially allowing for infinite contrast ratios. The range of colors, brightness, and viewing angle possible with OLEDs are greater than that of LCDs or plasma displays.

**sequoias** · 02-10-2006, 03:34 PM

Rhr is right....

TOKYO — Seiko Epson Corp. has developed a 40-inch diagonal organic light-emitting diode (OLED) display prototype and announced that it will offer polymer-based OLED products beginning in 2007, perhaps including a 40-inch OLED TV.

The 40-inch panel was made by attaching four diagonal 20-inch low-temperature LCD panels and then printing polymer organic electronic luminescence materials using ink-jet printing technology.

"Our low temperature polysilicon line handles only the 400 x 500 mm substrate, so we used four panels pasted together to form a 40-inch display. But the purpose of the prototype is to show that our ink-jet printing technology can print and form OLED pixels in a large area," said Shoichi Iino, division manager of OLED Technological Development Division at Epson. "As large-sized substrates are already used in LCD lines, there won't be a big problem in using large- sized substrates when we make OLED products," he said.

The prototype display is a 40-inch diagonal with 1280 x 768 pixels delivering over 260,000 colors. Epson used ink-jet technology that can print and form OLED pixels in an area of 1200 x 820 mm with 2,880 dpi resolution.

"The biggest challenges for OLED display for TV applications are lifetime and enlarging the size," said Iino. Epson set the initial target for OLED panel performance at over 10,000 hours, the same level as the initial stage of plasma display panel TVs. "We believe it is possible through the improvement of process and structure of the display and development of new materials," Iion added.

Epson has completed it OLED product plan yet, but "we want to start our OLED business with a 40-inch TV set," said Iino.

02-10-2006, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhr

hey if you touch keyboard with OLED, your finger have oil on key, later OLED will burn and broken same LED, TV, Bulb, finger never touch

LED can't burn out from oil. It's won't happen.
http://www.holidaycreations.com/html/patentedTech.html

Teresh · 02-10-2006, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sequoias

Rhr is right....

TOKYO — Seiko Epson Corp. has developed a 40-inch diagonal organic light-emitting diode (OLED) display prototype and announced that it will offer polymer-based OLED products beginning in 2007, perhaps including a 40-inch OLED TV.

The 40-inch panel was made by attaching four diagonal 20-inch low-temperature LCD panels and then printing polymer organic electronic luminescence materials using ink-jet printing technology.

"Our low temperature polysilicon line handles only the 400 x 500 mm substrate, so we used four panels pasted together to form a 40-inch display. But the purpose of the prototype is to show that our ink-jet printing technology can print and form OLED pixels in a large area," said Shoichi Iino, division manager of OLED Technological Development Division at Epson. "As large-sized substrates are already used in LCD lines, there won't be a big problem in using large- sized substrates when we make OLED products," he said.

The prototype display is a 40-inch diagonal with 1280 x 768 pixels delivering over 260,000 colors. Epson used ink-jet technology that can print and form OLED pixels in an area of 1200 x 820 mm with 2,880 dpi resolution.

"The biggest challenges for OLED display for TV applications are lifetime and enlarging the size," said Iino. Epson set the initial target for OLED panel performance at over 10,000 hours, the same level as the initial stage of plasma display panel TVs. "We believe it is possible through the improvement of process and structure of the display and development of new materials," Iion added.

Epson has completed it OLED product plan yet, but "we want to start our OLED business with a 40-inch TV set," said Iino.

Source? And when was this written, 2002? In this last year OLED has advanced a lot.

rhr · 02-11-2006, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo

LED can't burn out from oil. It's won't happen.
http://www.holidaycreations.com/html/patentedTech.html

Maybe you are right, see see.. but keyboard can easy broken what happen expenise, my work many keyboard always broken, very cheap keyboard than expenise OLED Keyboard?

rhr · 02-11-2006, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teresh

:bsflag:

Stop perpetuating falsehoods when you don't even know what you're talking about.

ANY recent display technology can emit at least a byte worth of colors for red, green and blue. That includes OLED. OLED would not be poised to replace LCD if it could not display as many colors. The fact is, however, that it can actually display *more*.

Chew on this

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maybe you are right OLED will be more color for future

01-12-2006, 06:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Neo Guest Posts: n/a	Canon TV? WTF? http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/...spx?i=2666&p=8 I think it's stupid.

01-12-2006, 07:25 AM	#2 (permalink)
deafclimber Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: hotlanta Posts: 3,569	interesting... it is because SED may be future but they said they cant compare that with LCD and Plasma. its goal is to bring some of the good qualities of CRT displays (response time, brightness, black levels) to a fixed pixel, very thin, low power display. it may not require the liquids like LCD and Plasma which cant match with CRT level image quality. SED tvs may be on market in the future. some articles say SED tvs will cost more than LCD tvs. http://thetechsage.com/archive/2004/09/29/236.aspx good info about SED http://searchwin2000.techtarget.com/...797765,00.html btw i am loyal to canon. i love digital cameras especially EOS Digital Rebel SLR and my own SD550. __________________ Feel free to PM me if you have any question about Windows Mobile or AT&T Mobiliy's TAPs.

01-12-2006, 09:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
rhr Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,131	Remember we talk about LCD, Plasma, DLP LCD = up to 60,000 hours will borken Plasma = up to 30,000 hours will broken DLP = limit 8,000 hours broken then replace chip CRT never broken, it is lifetime Also fast smooth 1ms or less than LCD, Plasma, DLP SED same size as Flat pancal (LCD and Plasma) SED same CRT screen good games or super games, or 3D-CAD they are good smooth than LCD and Plasma SED and CRT are very fast than LCD and Plasma __________________ ЯHR

01-12-2006, 09:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
GalaxyAngel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Alberta,Canada Posts: 13,626	Yadda!, I've been there and heard about the cosmsor reports about CRT.. issues which will not come broken.. and always permantly lifetime! Espically LCD will come short term years and barely hard to replace the kind of parts or never.. Pretty quite costly... Wait and see until will come another cosumsor reports incoming.. to see update! __________________ Parent's proud our children.

02-10-2006, 11:57 AM	#14 (permalink)
erik1974 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1	OLED-Displays In a few years the newest display generation OLED (Organic light emitting diode) is coming over the world. More about OLEDs at: http://www.oled-display.net http://www.oled.at

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01-12-2006, 10:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
Teresh Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,078	Meep. I think OLED is the future, although how likely it is to be implemented in large-scale displays is hard to know. It's definately going to replace LCDs on handheld devices such as pagers and digital cameras, tho.

02-10-2006, 03:34 PM	#25 (permalink)
sequoias Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa, the land of the cornfields and pigs Posts: 21,867	Rhr is right.... TOKYO — Seiko Epson Corp. has developed a 40-inch diagonal organic light-emitting diode (OLED) display prototype and announced that it will offer polymer-based OLED products beginning in 2007, perhaps including a 40-inch OLED TV. The 40-inch panel was made by attaching four diagonal 20-inch low-temperature LCD panels and then printing polymer organic electronic luminescence materials using ink-jet printing technology. "Our low temperature polysilicon line handles only the 400 x 500 mm substrate, so we used four panels pasted together to form a 40-inch display. But the purpose of the prototype is to show that our ink-jet printing technology can print and form OLED pixels in a large area," said Shoichi Iino, division manager of OLED Technological Development Division at Epson. "As large-sized substrates are already used in LCD lines, there won't be a big problem in using large- sized substrates when we make OLED products," he said. The prototype display is a 40-inch diagonal with 1280 x 768 pixels delivering over 260,000 colors. Epson used ink-jet technology that can print and form OLED pixels in an area of 1200 x 820 mm with 2,880 dpi resolution. "The biggest challenges for OLED display for TV applications are lifetime and enlarging the size," said Iino. Epson set the initial target for OLED panel performance at over 10,000 hours, the same level as the initial stage of plasma display panel TVs. "We believe it is possible through the improvement of process and structure of the display and development of new materials," Iion added. Epson has completed it OLED product plan yet, but "we want to start our OLED business with a 40-inch TV set," said Iino.

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