Is it worth to be "oral"?

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And to add,from that same link............... This is from a person with MILD loss!

Sound like it supposedly happened 40, 50 or 60 years ago, though no time line was given. Teachers back then made all kinds of medical recommendations. Sorry, those examples do not work. I'm talking about relatively current period when kids with mild hearing loss were misdiagnosed (by medical professionals, of course) as being mentally retarded because of their hearing loss.
 
I still feel sort of uncomfortable with the title of this thread. The word "worth" implies some judgement based upon one's values. To say that it is worth being oral implies that the opposite is true for the none-oral approach. I admit I now have the wisdom of hindsight: in my youth I took great pride in my speech quality and considered myself superior to those who could not speak. Since then, though, I have learned not to judge others on that basis. I am confident the same will happen to others here. Oh well.l

Right on! I'm glad I have speech skills, as it gives me ANOTHER tool in the toolbox....I don't feel superior to those who are voice off Deaf.....oral skills only take you so far....The problem is that oral skills are painted as this wonderful glorious pancea that will 100% equalize dhh people/children....Like AG Bell insistuties that it's the cake that will automaticly grant dhh kids all the privilages of the hearing world........Spoken language for dhh kids should be the ICING on the cake....Not the cake itself!
 
Right on! I'm glad I have speech skills, as it gives me ANOTHER tool in the toolbox....I don't feel superior to those who are voice off Deaf.....oral skills only take you so far....The problem is that oral skills are painted as this wonderful glorious pancea that will 100% equalize dhh people/children....Like AG Bell insistuties that it's the cake that will automaticly grant dhh kids all the privilages of the hearing world........Spoken language for dhh kids should be the ICING on the cake....Not the cake itself!

Nice exaggerations, tho', but people still do realize their limitations when it comes to access. There is no automatic privileges when it comes to the hearing world. Each of us has our own strengths and weaknesses when it comes to what we can do and what we're capable of.
 
Sound like it supposedly happened 40, 50 or 60 years ago, though no time line was given. Teachers back then made all kinds of medical recommendations. Sorry, those examples do not work. I'm talking about relatively current period when kids with mild hearing loss were misdiagnosed (by medical professionals, of course) as being mentally retarded because of their hearing loss.

To be honest, I personally can see how some children with mild loss could be misdiagnosed just for the fact that while those of us with mild loss often thrown into the area, "This person/child has plenty of residual hearing left."

I've had people look at me like I'm stupid before simply because I misunderstood what they said. Not every time does this happen to me, of course. It's just a few people in the world being stupid. I can't say that the one hearing person is living to that type of stereotype.

However if a child with mild loss misunderstands it people could associate that child with being slow mentally simply because they 'mishear' (if that is a word). I can't imagine how those with APD (with normal hearing or otherwise) would feel in that situation. Now, does this always happen? I doubt it.

Could medical professionals misdiagnose it? It's possible.

On another note...I know it hasn't been directly implied but I don't like the fact that mild loss makes us "so close to hearing" is so many people's eyes.

Is mild loss like those with profound loss? Of course not.

Can people with mild loss pick up speech very well? Sure...but not always the case either.

Can we function with out hearing aids? Definitely but that doesn't make it any easier on us either.

But that doesn't mean we don't struggle at times ourselves. Yeah we hear good compared to many and some of us can even hear well enough except at certain times. Though that doesn't mean we don't have challenges like those with more severe losses. They be minor but we still have them as well.

I have a mild (left) and moderate (right) cookie-bite loss with one ear slipping into low-frequency loss. I misunderstand what people say simply because often people talk in the mid-frequency range...the one I struggle the most on hearing correctly with. Sometimes I mishear a lecture in class because of this loss and I think the professors are swearing at me (it's funny to learn they didn't say sh*t instead of sheet).

So from the few experiences I was thought of as stupid because I misunderstand them...I can see how children could be labeled mentally challenged. Now am I promoting deafdyke's stuff? No. I'm just giving an opinion from my point-of-view.

And umm...sorry of my total random vent/talk. :giggle:
 
Mis-diagnosing was common back in the day anyway because medical technology isn't NEAR what it is today. The first thing when parents bring their kids into the hospital and worry that something's not quite right? What is it? They worry if they're deaf. Most parents don't bring their kids into the hospital ( I work for the number one in the state of Florida ) and ask if their kid is mentally retarded, they tell us they think they're deaf. Now, that's profound loss. Even in mild loss ( Usually not noticeable as fast as profound ) when people bring in their children 99% of the time what are the first words I hear? "Name here" is SO smart, I just don't understand why he's not getting along as he is. People don't come in saying "Mew, I think my kids retarded." Seriously... Not to mention, if kids aren't doing well in younger years of school the FIRST thing we check them for is what? HEARING LOSS! It's on the top 3 things tested in schools and out when a kid has a problem in school. Guess what's not? Mental Retardation. Diagnosing mental retardation is a process of ruling out what it's NOT! Diagnosing a kid these days with mental retardation is one of the LAST resorts! We exercise every test we can to rule out everything before slapping someone with that! Again, 50 years ago or something, sure it might have been a misdiagnosis.... today? No, unless you live in some po-dunk town with no certified medical professionals. A teacher suggesting mental retardation is not a DIAGNOSIS, it's an assumption. What do I know though, I only work in a hospital and deal with this crap all the time. Now autism being mistaken for mental retardation? Oh that happens still! Deafness? Not so much.
 
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Definitely not going to counter that post, Mew, because you're right.

Like I said 'could.' I don't know entirely the history of how history loss screening has improved over the years. That is why I like posting here and learning about things related to hearing loss. I like learning from it.

Also as showed, I'm not an expert in the terms of the medical field and the screening of hearing loss. I'll never fully understand about it. I can slam you with a law book (criminal law) any day but get me around medical related stuff...I'm lost. I was saying how can I see how it could be. By professionals...not so much. By teachers...sure. Plus my misuse of words never helps either...haha. I should have said more so the "assumption" and left "diagnose out." (Gotta love my English skills. :giggle:)

Luckily I like where I can give my opinion on something and someone give's me a logical answer that has that experience to help me learn and gain a better understanding (if small or big) on stuff. That'd what I like about learning from others.

I wasn't posting in agreement to anything deafdyke or others may have posted...but giving a small opinion of my own that was not well informed. I learn and go on. :)
 
Definitely not going to counter that post, Mew, because you're right.

Like I said 'could.' I don't know entirely the history of how history loss screening has improved over the years. That is why I like posting here and learning about things related to hearing loss. I like learning from it.

Also as showed, I'm not an expert in the terms of the medical field and the screening of hearing loss. I'll never fully understand about it. I can slam you with a law book (criminal law) any day but get me around medical related stuff...I'm lost. I was saying how can I see how it could be. By professionals...not so much. By teachers...sure. Plus my misuse of words never helps either...haha. I should have said more so the "assumption" and left "diagnose out." (Gotta love my English skills. :giggle:)

Luckily I like where I can give my opinion on something and someone give's me a logical answer that has that experience to help me learn and gain a better understanding (if small or big) on stuff. That'd what I like about learning from others.

I wasn't posting in agreement to anything deafdyke or others may have posted...but giving a small opinion of my own that was not well informed. I learn and go on. :)

I wasn't slamming your post sweetie, I was calling out DD on her ancient beliefs that it's "common" to be diagnosed with mental retardation instead of deafness. :P
 
Damn is my hair blonde tonight? Sorry! :giggle:

Oh that's okay, we all have our blonde moments. :D Just read some of the posts through here, you see them all the time! :D Though some I wonder if they're just permanently brain damaged honestly. I do know a lot of very intelligent blondes. :)
 
To be honest, I personally can see how some children with mild loss could be misdiagnosed just for the fact that while those of us with mild loss often thrown into the area, "This person/child has plenty of residual hearing left."

I've had people look at me like I'm stupid before simply because I misunderstood what they said. Not every time does this happen to me, of course. It's just a few people in the world being stupid. I can't say that the one hearing person is living to that type of stereotype.

However if a child with mild loss misunderstands it people could associate that child with being slow mentally simply because they 'mishear' (if that is a word). I can't imagine how those with APD (with normal hearing or otherwise) would feel in that situation. Now, does this always happen? I doubt it.

Could medical professionals misdiagnose it? It's possible.

On another note...I know it hasn't been directly implied but I don't like the fact that mild loss makes us "so close to hearing" is so many people's eyes.

Is mild loss like those with profound loss? Of course not.

Can people with mild loss pick up speech very well? Sure...but not always the case either.

Can we function with out hearing aids? Definitely but that doesn't make it any easier on us either.

But that doesn't mean we don't struggle at times ourselves. Yeah we hear good compared to many and some of us can even hear well enough except at certain times. Though that doesn't mean we don't have challenges like those with more severe losses. They be minor but we still have them as well.

I have a mild (left) and moderate (right) cookie-bite loss with one ear slipping into low-frequency loss. I misunderstand what people say simply because often people talk in the mid-frequency range...the one I struggle the most on hearing correctly with. Sometimes I mishear a lecture in class because of this loss and I think the professors are swearing at me (it's funny to learn they didn't say sh*t instead of sheet).

So from the few experiences I was thought of as stupid because I misunderstand them...I can see how children could be labeled mentally challenged. Now am I promoting deafdyke's stuff? No. I'm just giving an opinion from my point-of-view.

And umm...sorry of my total random vent/talk. :giggle:

This is where I was getting at...today....currently and not something 30, 50, 70, or 100 years ago when we already had a history of people with hearing loss at all levels who were diagnosed (wrongly) by medical professionals and not by an unqualified person who think that kid is mentally retarded or slow not realizing hearing loss is really the issue. I was talking specifically by those with mild hearing loss only who were misdiagnosed today, currently in the last 10 or 15 years, by a qualified medical professionals in the field of psychology/psychiatry.

Added a chart:

http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/statistics/Pages/infant-hearing-screening.aspx

When one says "diagnose" in the context of a medical condition (e.g. hearing loss, mental condition, etc) the term presupposes that the diagnosing is done by a qualified medical professional and not by a teacher or whoever. The chart above shows how early detection for hearing loss would make it extremely rare if any at all that any child over the last decade or so with hearing loss would be diagnosed as being mentally retarded and overlook hearing loss in the first place.
 
Mis-diagnosing was common back in the day anyway because medical technology isn't NEAR what it is today. The first thing when parents bring their kids into the hospital and worry that something's not quite right? What is it? They worry if they're deaf. Most parents don't bring their kids into the hospital ( I work for the number one in the state of Florida ) and ask if their kid is mentally retarded, they tell us they think they're deaf. Now, that's profound loss. Even in mild loss ( Usually not noticeable as fast as profound ) when people bring in their children 99% of the time what are the first words I hear? "Name here" is SO smart, I just don't understand why he's not getting along as he is. People don't come in saying "Mew, I think my kids retarded." Seriously... Not to mention, if kids aren't doing well in younger years of school the FIRST thing we check them for is what? HEARING LOSS! It's on the top 3 things tested in schools and out when a kid has a problem in school. Guess what's not? Mental Retardation. Diagnosing mental retardation is a process of ruling out what it's NOT! Diagnosing a kid these days with mental retardation is one of the LAST resorts! We exercise every test we can to rule out everything before slapping someone with that! Again, 50 years ago or something, sure it might have been a misdiagnosis.... today? No, unless you live in some po-dunk town with no certified medical professionals. A teacher suggesting mental retardation is not a DIAGNOSIS, it's an assumption. What do I know though, I only work in a hospital and deal with this crap all the time. Now autism being mistaken for mental retardation? Oh that happens still! Deafness? Not so much.

Exactly.
 
In my early year of childhood, they did treat me like i am not normal. I had to deal with stupid professional for a few years. :dunno2:
 
I wasn't slamming your post sweetie, I was calling out DD on her ancient beliefs that it's "common" to be diagnosed with mental retardation instead of deafness. :P

"Ancient beliefs?" Goodness, are you an antiquarian? ;)
All kidding aside, DD's beliefs aren't outdated. I too see the misconceptions about the deaf and their mental acuity on a daily basis.
Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.
 
I wasn't slamming your post sweetie, I was calling out DD on her ancient beliefs that it's "common" to be diagnosed with mental retardation instead of deafness. :P

WTF? No, I said in the PAST it was very common for dhh kids to be misidentified as mentally disabled. In the PAST..........heck on one of the links they mentioned someone who was deaf who was misdx as MR in 1994.
It may not be common for kids NOWADAYS to be mixdx as MR....which is GOOD.........However, the first kneejerk response from a hearing person on hearing a "deaf accent" is that "gee that person must be mentally disabled."
 
WTF? No, I said in the PAST it was very common for dhh kids to be misidentified as mentally disabled. In the PAST..........heck on one of the links they mentioned someone who was deaf who was misdx as MR in 1994.
It may not be common for kids NOWADAYS to be mixdx as MR....which is GOOD.........However, the first kneejerk response from a hearing person on hearing a "deaf accent" is that "gee that person must be mentally disabled."

Sorry...gonna call that a big BS. Way to go on jumping the hyperbole wagon about the so-called "kneejerk response" from hearing person.

None of the examples cited were examples of misdiagnosis by a qualified medical doctor. A teacher CANNOT offer a medical diagnosis unless he/she happens to be medically qualified as a doctor.
 
"Ancient beliefs?" Goodness, are you an antiquarian? ;)
All kidding aside, DD's beliefs aren't outdated. I too see the misconceptions about the deaf and their mental acuity on a daily basis.
Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.

We were not talking about misconceptions, she was the one who brought up the word DIAGNOSIS. I am referring to Deaf kids being DIAGNOSED ( Which a diagnosis comes from a LICENSED MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL ) as mentally retarded instead of Deaf. And I quote "You do know back in the '70's a LOT of unaided MILD and other HOH kids were misdx as mentally disabled right?"

My point was to say yes, maybe 40 50 years ago this was possible to be mis-DIAGNOSED, today.... it's not common... incredibly rare. We check kids hearing in elementary school for a reason... I sincerely do not believe what you see on a daily basis is MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS who are LICENSED treating the Deaf as mentally retarded. I am not doubting the population may do this. However the general population treating the Deaf like this is still NOT a MEDICAL diagnosis!

The point you just made had nothing to do with what I was arguing about. Medical diagnosis and the treatment of the Deaf and HoH by society are two VERY completely different things.

I don't even know why I bother to insert my opinion in subjects DD comments on anyway, it's a waste of air. Clearly she blows tons of hot air out her a$$ and everyone knows it as seen on a thread yesterday. I should just take the others advice and ignore her like most of the forum people do. What can I say, I love to correct others stupidity and ignorance. :D
 
WTF? No, I said in the PAST it was very common for dhh kids to be misidentified as mentally disabled. In the PAST..........heck on one of the links they mentioned someone who was deaf who was misdx as MR in 1994.
It may not be common for kids NOWADAYS to be mixdx as MR....which is GOOD.........However, the first kneejerk response from a hearing person on hearing a "deaf accent" is that "gee that person must be mentally disabled."

Yet, I will still say.... I refuse to believe the first reaction of even MOST hearing people is to think a deaf accent means you're retarded. People in general are a lot more understanding than you give them credit for. If you as a person are out to assume every hearing person thinks we're retarded for a deaf accent, you're missing out on life. Even hearing as a majority.... you're missing out, and I feel sorry for you. I'm sorry that clearly every hearing person you've ever met thinks you're mentally retarded, but have you ever considered it may not be the "deaf accent" that makes them think this? Maybe spelling, punctuation, capitalization and grammar might be the reason?

Right there, that bold part.... that's your downfall. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you had some form of paranoid schizophrenia, like all the hearies are out to make you feel mentally inadequate or mentally retarded... because that's all you ever seem to banter on about. While I am not a licensed psychologist and studied emergency medicine over psychology, I realize I can't diagnose you. See what I did there? :D Seriously though, if you could back up all your stuff with PROOF, people would be more inclined to take your words more seriously. In case you missed the thread earlier on this week about people giving advice to not argue with you because it's a waste of time and everyone knows it's BS.

I was born Deaf, I was raised Deaf and I will ALWAYS be Deaf! I am damn proud of it too... However, if the only thing you can do is assume, attack and generalize group every hearing person into one huge lump like you do in nearly every single post, I feel sorry for you. I truly feel absolutely sorry for you. To live your life bashing, hating and/or assuming all hearing people do these things makes you no better than a racist! What do you think they do? They bash, hate and/or assume every person from that race in general are the same. You seem to do the same thing with the hearing in a lot of posts. I refer back to the bold section again. You're not stating a LOT, you're not stating MOST, you're saying "The first response from a hearing person upon hearing a deaf accent is they're mentally retarded." From a hearing person, so all hearing people. When I make a point, I ALWAYS make sure to say MOST and bold it, or say most but not all, I never generalize people into groups such as you do! I'm sorry, I'm Deaf but my parents are hearing, my siblings are hearing, most of my family is hearing! Am I to assume they assume my Deaf friends are retarded because they have a Deaf accent? If you say no, think about your assumptions then. All those hearing people who work with the Deaf, interpreters, families that have Deaf kids, siblings, uncles, mothers, brothers ect.... That's a lot of people to all be assuming someone's mentally retarded from a Deaf accent. You need to think your words through more instead of slapping a generalized statement on a group of people. If you go doing that, you're no better than the people we fought for women to have rights, for blacks to have rights and for gays to have rights. You're generalizing and assuming.... and that's not right. Again, I feel sorry for you, and I pity your life that you have to go bashing on a group of people to make yourself feel better or whatever gratification you get out of it. If you don't like the hearing, FINE. Don't hang out with them if they'll all just think you're retarded. However, don't come generalizing and bashing a group of people with no FACTS to back up what you say and expect everyone to jump board. You're so desperate for attention and approval from the Deaf community I can't tell you if it makes me sick, sad or want to laugh. Get mad, it's fine... Unlike you, I really don't give a sh** what people think about me.

I hope you eventually can see people need to be treated on an individualized basis, and stop grouping them as a whole. I have tattoos and piercings everywhere, and ride a motorcycle... I know I love when people think I'm a drug dealer or something to have no clue I'm going after my masters as a MD. See what generalizing gets you, I'm going to be the "thug drug dealer" that saves their life or loved ones life some day... and I'm okay with that.
 
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Pauley from the show NCIS

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I love her. She always made me feel like I could relate to someone. ( Even though I know she's a fictional character. ) I am proud of my tattoos, piercings, motorcycle and my education. :) I just like the look of shock when people see me pull off my stupid white coat. :P Judge me not by the color of my skin but the content of my character. ( My tattoos give me a different color skin! :D ) Plus I love that quote more than anything. My "ethnic white" Romanian roots say tattoos are the only color I will be getting. :P
 
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