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I wrote communication before write effort to paper

encourage to communication to hearing to write to paper to clear to understand

I means encourage to write to paper boss, interpreter, friends, I want advise to, I learn Communication to writing to communication to skills best to effort to education, and skills talk, person if hearing clear to understand writing to me


I communication to skills level increase to changelle,Education, also paper on writer both paper!,deaf to text to hearing to communication to boss or interpreter or thing friends simply!

If your changelle weak on talk weak understand, if suppose to clear to mixing to confuse!

ask to person clear to understand to help explain :)

simply challenged
 
Are you saying that if hearing can't understand what you communicate on paper, then they should just ASK you to explain what you mean?

If this is what you are saying, I agree with you. Asking for help to understand is GOOD. That is how we learn from each other and show respect to each other.
 
I believe every deaf person should spend more time writing and reading. Ive met alot of deafies who hate to read and some say reading bores them. We have to admit. Some deafies writing SUCKS. and they think Im being rude but I care for them and want them to understand its only holding them back from good jobs, more knowledge, etc.

Which is why I HATE ASL. It doesnt force them to use words like 'the' 'and' and other adjectives that clarifies and expands their communication as SEE would. I believe SEE is superior because it promotes better writing, although I do know ASL is more efficient for 'general concept' communication for a lack of a better way to describe it. If I had deaf kids I would force them to learn SEE.
 
I think what was stated was that writing as a means of communication can be very challenging to an ASL user. It should be kept in a very simple format so that an ASL user can easily understand what was being said.

Anyways, that was my interpretation.

Smithr - write on paper, text must be simple for Deaf?
 
Chuck said:
I believe every deaf person should spend more time writing and reading. Ive met alot of deafies who hate to read and some say reading bores them. We have to admit. Some deafies writing SUCKS. and they think Im being rude but I care for them and want them to understand its only holding them back from good jobs, more knowledge, etc.

Which is why I HATE ASL. It doesnt force them to use words like 'the' 'and' and other adjectives that clarifies and expands their communication as SEE would. I believe SEE is superior because it promotes better writing, although I do know ASL is more efficient for 'general concept' communication for a lack of a better way to describe it. If I had deaf kids I would force them to learn SEE.
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It took me several years to understand how SEE was just a coded form of English (like morse code), and how ASL was an entirely different language altogether. ASL is the most effective form of clear communication for the Deaf. There was a program I played a very minor role in called Sign Writing, but it never really took off.

I will warn you though, this is a very sticky topic and will get a lot of feathers ruffled. Let me put it to you this way, SEE is English. ASL is NOT English.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Stokoe
 
Chuck said:
I believe every deaf person should spend more time writing and reading. Ive met alot of deafies who hate to read and some say reading bores them. We have to admit. Some deafies writing SUCKS. and they think Im being rude but I care for them and want them to understand its only holding them back from good jobs, more knowledge, etc.

Which is why I HATE ASL. It doesnt force them to use words like 'the' 'and' and other adjectives that clarifies and expands their communication as SEE would. I believe SEE is superior because it promotes better writing, although I do know ASL is more efficient for 'general concept' communication for a lack of a better way to describe it. If I had deaf kids I would force them to learn SEE.
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Funny, SEE didn't help me so much..... ASL did help me with my writing skill, so if it is not for ASL, my writing would look like 2nd grade by now. :dunno:
 
Honestly, I think most deafies love ASL more because it allows them to communicate quickly and allows a more personalized formed of communication. But in the end it holds them back.
 
Chuck said:
That's the problem. Your writing looks like you're at the 5th grade level. No offense.
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Well, what's your grade by then? But, you're so close enough, and you, seriously, should check my stories out someday. My writing is actually 6th grade... My vocabulary is still limited because I didn't learn how to write until 5 years or 6 years old. When I was in 2nd grade, I went to a different public school and it was only helped me so little... My writing was still at the 2nd grade until I joined Deaf School in 1997 when I was 11.

For your information, there are so plenty of hearing people have their poor English writing. I should suggest you to try ASLE; it is a new method to help Deaf people with their poor writing skill.
 
Chuck said:
Honestly, I think most deafies love ASL more because it allows them to communicate quickly and allows a more personalized formed of communication. But in the end it holds them back.
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I actually used to argue that point myself, years ago.

I used to be an English instructor for foreign adult Deaf students as an undergrad. I had to instruct students that did not know ASL. Now, normally, teaching English as a second language can be difficult, but having to first teach ASL, then teach English .... well .... it was challenging.

I know ASL looks like broken English in the written form, but it isn't even based on the English Language. It is more like .... the hearing world is holding ASL users back by not recognizing the validity of their most effective means of communication.

I see this problem all the time. A lot of hearing people will assume that all they need to do is write down on a piece of paper what they are wishing to convey. In many cases, it just simply does not work that way. This misunderstanding has been very hurtful to a lot of Deaf individuals whom rely on ASL as an effective means of communication, especially when a first responder emergency call is made. I have also seen Deaf "taken advantage" of by businesses that attempt to communicate with a Deaf individual this way - as well as Government entities from local law enforcement all the way up to Superior Courts. For example - "I don't need to provide an interpreter .. we can just correspond by email, or write notes ...etc."

And yes, it took me several years to understand that. I thought SEE was fantastic ... because I understood English ... and again, ASL is not English.

But I agree with the "sentiment" you are expressing. Learning English, functional English, would really open doors for ASL users.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Funny, SEE didn't help me so much..... ASL did help me with my writing skill, so if it is not for ASL, my writing would look like 2nd grade by now. :dunno:
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ASL does help teach English. When I had to teach English to foreign deaf adults that did not understand ASL, it was exponentially more difficult.

And .... you are bilingual which is quite an accomplishment for anyone.
 
Steinhauer said:
ASL does help teach English. When I had to teach English to foreign deaf adults that did not understand ASL, it was exponentially more difficult.

And .... you are bilingual which is quite an accomplishment for anyone.
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If SEE does work for another Deaf kids, I think that's great. I just pointed out that Deaf kids have a hard time to learn because language delays. So, ASL helped them out...

EDIT: It's so late now; it's 1:05 AM here. I'll come back a bit later.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
If SEE does work for another Deaf kids, I think that's great. I just pointed out that Deaf kids have a hard time to learn because language delays. So, ASL helped them out...

EDIT: It's so late now; it's 1:05 AM here. I'll come back a bit later.
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And I agree with you. :wave: :)
 
I know ASL is the most effective way for them to communicate. Thats fine, but being able to WRITE well is more important. I know there isnt a one size fits all solution to this but I sincerely believe ASL for the most part holds back most deafies. I do agree though, some deafies benefit from it.

It just really sucks to see my deaf friends being turned down from jobs and failing school because of their lack of writing skills and ability to understand written english when I know they are highly intelligent and have a great work ethic. It has nothing to do with being oppresive against the ASL language. Im not here calling for the elimination of ASL. People should communicate in the language they choose, Im just here saying it wont get you very far. The same way I would tell a chinaman sticking with Chinese is not going to get you far here in America.

My reading/writing is at the collegiate level btw to answer your question.
 
Smithtr said:
I wrote communication before write effort to paper

encourage to communication to hearing to write to paper to clear to understand

I means encourage to write to paper boss, interpreter, friends, I want advise to, I learn Communication to writing to communication to skills best to effort to education, and skills talk, person if hearing clear to understand writing to me


I communication to skills level increase to changelle,Education, also paper on writer both paper!,deaf to text to hearing to communication to boss or interpreter or thing friends simply!

If your changelle weak on talk weak understand, if suppose to clear to mixing to confuse!

ask to person clear to understand to help explain :)

simply challenged
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Do you mean that you feel that writing a paper to communicate with hearing people that helps you to understand better and using a cell phone to text to communicate with hearing people better. So you want to encourage hearing people to write a paper or use a cellphone to communicate with you.
 
Chuck said:
I believe every deaf person should spend more time writing and reading. Ive met alot of deafies who hate to read and some say reading bores them. We have to admit. Some deafies writing SUCKS. and they think Im being rude but I care for them and want them to understand its only holding them back from good jobs, more knowledge, etc.

Which is why I HATE ASL. It doesnt force them to use words like 'the' 'and' and other adjectives that clarifies and expands their communication as SEE would. I believe SEE is superior because it promotes better writing, although I do know ASL is more efficient for 'general concept' communication for a lack of a better way to describe it. If I had deaf kids I would force them to learn SEE.
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Steinhauer said:
It took me several years to understand how SEE was just a coded form of English (like morse code), and how ASL was an entirely different language altogether. ASL is the most effective form of clear communication for the Deaf. There was a program I played a very minor role in called Sign Writing, but it never really took off.

I will warn you though, this is a very sticky topic and will get a lot of feathers ruffled. Let me put it to you this way, SEE is English. ASL is NOT English.

William Stokoe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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this thread is not what OP is talking about and op is not that stupid when you guys were talking about who.
 
Frisky Feline said:
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this thread is not what OP is talking about and op is not that stupid when you guys were talking about who.
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No offense, but his writing does make him LOOK stupid, when he could very well be intelligent. Writing is not supposed to be a jigsaw puzzle the rest of us are supposed to figure out. ASL to writing is horrific to understand.
 
Chuck said:
No offense, but his writing does make him LOOK stupid, when he could very well be intelligent. Writing is not supposed to be a jigsaw puzzle the rest of us are supposed to figure out. ASL to writing is horrific to understand.
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I suggest you not to say too much. I take it that you do not know smithtr that well. Everyone seems to have something different in mind. Everyone has capable of absording the self concept development differently in english.


For your information that I am a heavy ASL user all my life.
 
I dont think you understand me and this is exactly what Im talking about. Youre taking offense because you think Im being insulting which is not the case. I said he could be very intelligent but the way he writes doesnt make him seem that way. Like I said before and if youve actually took the time to read the entire thread. I have stated I have intelligent deaf friends but their writing is horrible.
 
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