Court decides seniors can't reject Medicare

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kokonut said:
Agreed. That was my understanding, too. Here's a section that gets me wondering:



The enrollment part. Nothing is readily explained to parents of newborns about SS# and trouble it could cause. It's an accepted practice, the box gets checked automatically and get your free SS#!

Next time, parents can say "No" to SS# for their kids and do something to protect their future.

How I Said No to the Automatic Social Security Number | Strike-The-Root: A Journal Of Liberty
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SSN are necessary for jobs, bank account, credit card, loan, school, rental properties, etc.
 
Foxrac said:
Billionaires probably not want any welfare at all, no SS either.

No SS then no Medicare.
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Billionaires aren't eligible for welfare.

Social Security and Medicare that has been contributed to is not welfare.
 
That is a consequence I would never have envisioned. I'm sure the legislature writing the law never imagined it either. The law just needs to be rewritten so that we have the option of not receiving some of our entitlements.

as for the issue Grayma brought up, We almost need a kind of a third party insurance that will decide which insurance company is obligated to provide coverage when you have more than one insurance company. Especially when you have no choice but to add Medicare.
 
Reba said:
Billionaires aren't eligible for welfare.

Social Security and Medicare that has been contributed to is not welfare.
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True. Not only that, but a Billionaire could afford to drop the entire Social Security entitlement. These guys wanted to keep their Social Security but drop the Medicare part. Looks like it's an all-or-none kind of package.
 
Reba said:
Billionaires aren't eligible for welfare.

Social Security and Medicare that has been contributed to is not welfare.
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Whatever, let me re-statement: Billionaires are free to not enroll SS so they don't have to get Medicare.
 
DeafCaroline said:
My point exactly. Thank you for finally getting it.
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Finally getting what? I've always said that Medicare and Social Security benefits to which taxpayers have contributed is not welfare for them.

Since those aren't welfare payments, billionaires (and all taxpayers) who get SS and Medicare aren't getting welfare. The reason they get SS and Medicare is because they paid into those funds. It's not just because they need them.

Which is nothing new that I've "finally" said.

Maybe you just finally noticed that. :)
 
Reba said:
Finally getting what? I've always said that Medicare and Social Security benefits to which taxpayers have contributed is not welfare for them.

Since those aren't welfare payments, billionaires (and all taxpayers) who get SS and Medicare aren't getting welfare. The reason they get SS and Medicare is because they paid into those funds. It's not just because they need them.

Which is nothing new that I've "finally" said.

Maybe you just finally noticed that. :)
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Hm. No, that's not what you said. You said earlier that your point was anyone, no matter how rich, cannot refuse medicare.

and now you're saying billionaires are not eligible.

which was my point the whole time.

:dunno:
 
Foxrac said:
Billionaires probably not want any welfare at all, no SS either.

No SS then no Medicare.
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Of course they want their SS... that is their money, they paid it in.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Hm. No, that's not what you said. You said earlier that your point was anyone, no matter how rich, cannot refuse medicare.
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I'm only saying what the the Court decided. They said that no one who is eligible for Medicare can turn it down when they turn 65. It has nothing to do with how much wealth a person has. No matter how rich someone is, if that person is eligible (age 65) for Medicare, then it can't be refused.

and now you're saying billionaires are not eligible.
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Sigh . . . I said billionaires are not eligible for WELFARE. SS and Medicare ARE NOT WELFARE for those who contributed to them.

Billionaires are NOT eligible for welfare.
Billionaires ARE eligible for Social Security and Medicare at age 65.
 
Reba said:
I'm only saying what the the Court decided. They said that no one who is eligible for Medicare can turn it down when they turn 65. It has nothing to do with how much wealth a person has. No matter how rich someone is, if that person is eligible (age 65) for Medicare, then it can't be refused.


Sigh . . . I said billionaires are not eligible for WELFARE. SS and Medicare ARE NOT WELFARE for those who contributed to them.

Billionaires are NOT eligible for welfare.
Billionaires ARE eligible for Social Security and Medicare at age 65.
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uh huh.
 
Beowulf said:
Yep, but greed is alive and well. :lol:
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Doesn't necessarily mean they are greedy. Perhaps they prefer to give that money to charities themselves rather than have it go through 536 hands first.
 
Reba said:
Sigh . . . I said billionaires are not eligible for WELFARE. SS and Medicare ARE NOT WELFARE for those who contributed to them.

Billionaires are NOT eligible for welfare.
Billionaires ARE eligible for Social Security and Medicare at age 65.
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Isn't welfare based on income not savings? just curious as I am not really up to speed on this subject. This means a person with a considerable amount of savings could still be eligible for welfare?
 
TXgolfer said:
Of course they want their SS... that is their money, they paid it in.
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It doesn't make sense if billionaires want SS because they have plenty of money and having good pensions that superior to SS.

If I was rich and I don't need SS for my retirement so I let SS goes to poor and middle class retirees who need that to running their life.
 
Um, billionaires are not eligible for welfare support which is totally different from getting social security benefits when they retire.

Billionaires are certainly eligible and entitled to get their social security benefits because, like TXgolfer and Reba said, they've already paid into the system. It's people who are still working continue pay for retired people's retirement benefits. This is not like a savings account where you pay into a retirement plan. This is more like a Ponzi scheme.

If billionaires have Social Security then that means they have the LEGAL right to have access to medicare per the court's conclusion. Exactly what Reba said. They are already LEGALLY entitled to Medicare if you have SS. If you're legally entitled to Medicare you cannot refuse it. It's an automatic process.

"If you are already getting Social Security benefits when you turn 65, your Medicare hospital insurance (Part A) starts automatically."
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Reba pointed out a court case where a person tried to stop that automatic process by refusing Medicare. Court said that it cannot be done. That's what Reba pointed out. The process cannot be undone. It's not like billionaires cannot fork over cash payments for medical services.

Next, what's Welfare payments? That's dependent on your income. Billionaires do not qualify for welfare support, obviously. And SS and Medicare are NOT welfare.

Reba has not changed anything on what she said today or in the past. She is correct on all counts.
 
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