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[Jiro]

That's a pretty powerful testimonial. I've seen people challenge you about whether or not you've asked Lotte if she wants to hear, likes to hear. Although I think they'd suspect any positive answer, insisting she was answering to please you. But her own actions give us her true answer, on her own initiative, she goes out of her way to ensure she has the tools she needs to hear. Because she really wants to.

I see the same with my daughter. We spent some afternoons at the pool with several Deaf families, and I figured that among people who were only signing, and in and out of the water, she would be willing to let me pack away her CIs. And, around these families many of us with kids who use CIs tend to really downplay the CIs, often slipping them off at playdates and parties. But she made such a fuss each time -- even though no one in our group around her would be speaking, she wanted to hear strangers, the sounds around her, insisted on wearing them. Definitely not out of any fear or lack of access -- like Lotte, she just really likes to hear.

cool that's fine.

so do you have any more question for us deaf people since we have experience and some of us have CI/HA?

 

[Bottesini]

cool that's fine.

so do you have any more question for us deaf people since we have experience and some of us have CI/HA?

Shhh... Don't disturb them as they talk amongst themselves!

 

[Buffalo]

Trolling and insulting....
You deliberately neglect the facts, make some up, and then use them to insult parents of deaf children...

You pointed a finger at PFH and three of yours are pointing right back at ya.

 

[Buffalo]

A couple of days ago she ran home from school... One battery had gone dead, and she feared that the other would soon give up, so she ran home to change batteries ASAP..

What a pair of crutches you have given to Lotte!! I don't know why people in the past think of ASL as the crutches. If my hearing aid break, I don't have to rush home to replace the battery. I can stay on and use ASL. Where are my crutches???? I have none!

Suppose Lotte travel to Africa and the batteries went out, where is she going to recharge her batteries when there are no electric outlets in sight???? What a pair of crutches!!!

 

[Beach girl]

And you seriously think ASL would do her much good in Africa?

I've actually lived in Africa (and started using HAs when I lived there). I was able to buy batteries as needed.

I'm sure if Lotte ever travels to Africa, she will bring with her the appropriate chargers. And guess what, they even have generators there, so even if the electricity does fail, it's likely she could plug in somewhere.

If Lotte is getting, along with her CIs, the ability to read and write in two (or three?) languages, she'll do fine. Even if she wants to go to Africa some day.

That has got to be the most far-fetched argument I've ever seen regarding not wanting CIs.

 

[Jiro]

And you seriously think ASL would do her much good in Africa?

I've actually lived in Africa (and started using HAs when I lived there). I was able to buy batteries as needed.

I'm sure if Lotte ever travels to Africa, she will bring with her the appropriate chargers. And guess what, they even have generators there, so even if the electricity does fail, it's likely she could plug in somewhere.

If Lotte is getting, along with her CIs, the ability to read and write in two (or three?) languages, she'll do fine. Even if she wants to go to Africa some day.

communicating with her family members, you know....

That has got to be the most far-fetched argument I've ever seen regarding not wanting CIs.

this is getting very tiresome. Where EXACTLY did we say NOT to get CI? It's about having ASL OPTION to ALL deaf children. We have a problem with parents NOT even considering ASL option for ANY reason. Do you understand this simplest concern we have?

 

[Cloggy]

What a pair of crutches you have given to Lotte!! I don't know why people in the past think of ASL as the crutches. If my hearing aid break, I don't have to rush home to replace the battery. I can stay on and use ASL. Where are my crutches???? I have none!

Suppose Lotte travel to Africa and the batteries went out, where is she going to recharge her batteries when there are no electric outlets in sight???? What a pair of crutches!!!

Staying safely inside the house of Deaf, with bars all around you on the wall, you don't need crutches...
But don't get out of the house....

Africa... LOL....
As always we will take the recharges with us and normal batteries... Problem solved...

 

[Jiro]

Staying safely inside the house of Deaf, with bars all around you on the wall, you don't need crutches...
But don't get out of the house....

maybe that's how it is in Norway but not in America.

Africa... LOL....
As always we will take the recharges with us and normal batteries... Problem solved...

yea - you got it all figured out. muy bien!

so do you have any more question for us deaf people since we have experience and some of us have CI/HA?

 

[Buffalo]

Staying safely inside the house of Deaf, with bars all around you on the wall, you don't need crutches...
But don't get out of the house....

Africa... LOL....
As always we will take the recharges with us and normal batteries... Problem solved...

why would I lock myself in my house??? I go out whatever I please. It is the people who don't know sign language - ASL, PSE, SEE..... is the problem. Why do the hearing people expect the deaf people to learn to hear and speak when there is nothing wrong with their own hands????

 

[Beach girl]

Jiro, you ever think of the possibility you could learn something from someone else for a change?

 

[Jiro]

Jiro, you ever think of the possibility you could learn something from someone else for a change?

hmmm... let's see.... is there anything I could learn from a hearing person? Considering the fact that I've learned to adapt in hearing world for many years, no I'm afraid not.

perhaps you could enlighten me?

 

[Beach girl]

You've got an example before you of a loving parent who is doing what he thinks is right for his daughter. She seems to be doing just fine and thriving in that environment. She's smart, resilient, and knows how to get what she needs.

And you're determined to find a problem in that somewhere. Because it's not what you would do for your hypothetical children.

Why not learn from those who have gone through different experiences than you have? You still will do what you want, obviously, when and if the time comes, but maybe knowing how other parents have dealt with a situation might ring a bell for you at some point in the future.

 

[Jiro]

You've got an example before you of a loving parent who is doing what he thinks is right for his daughter. She seems to be doing just fine and thriving in that environment. She's smart, resilient, and knows how to get what she needs.

And you're determined to find a problem in that somewhere. Because it's not what you would do for your hypothetical children.

Why not learn from those who have gone through different experiences than you have? You still will do what you want, obviously, when and if the time comes, but maybe knowing how other parents have dealt with a situation might ring a bell for you at some point in the future.

ah! sounds like my parents! and handful of ADers in here too! I do learn from other deafies who went thru different experience than mine but in the end... we all share same similarities. We were denied of ASL and we were subjected to oralism. Why? Because our parents did what they think were right for us and they thought we were doing just fine and thriving in that environment. We were smart and resilient too.

So is there anything I can learn from hearing parents? I haven't found any. And I haven't gotten any straightforward answer from hearing parents as to why they're stubborn and combative with us.

 

[Beach girl]

Because you're being stubborn and combative with them.

To quote one of your favorite phrases: "Simple as that."

 

[Jiro]

Because you're being stubborn and combative with them.

To quote one of your favorite phrases: "Simple as that."

ah yes yes - this old cute classic tactic where you use one's statement back to them. Unfortunately... in this case - it doesn't work.

So you're telling us that we deaf people have something to learn from hearing people when it comes to raising deaf children in hearing environment?

 

[Buffalo]

Because you're being stubborn and combative with them.

To quote one of your favorite phrases: "Simple as that."

Sorry, it is the hearing people who are being stubborn to the Deaf people's protests ever since the Milan Conference. You don't really understand us. You have to read the history. Lipreading back then when hearing aids and CIs were not even dreamed of. That caused the substandard education. Those who supported CIs in babies and kids are really paying homage to AGB because it is an extension of what AGB started. Nothiing really had changed at all.

 

[Cloggy]

maybe that's how it is in Norway but not in America.
What? You dont need a crutch either.. Excellent..


yea - you got it all figured out. muy bien! Thanks you...glad you can appreciate it..

so do you have any more question for us deaf people since we have experience and some of us have CI/HA?Deja Vu... You know you are repeating yourself... I hope...

 

[Cloggy]

why would I lock myself in my house??? I go out whatever I please. It is the people who don't know sign language - ASL, PSE, SEE..... is the problem. Why do the hearing people expect the deaf people to learn to hear and speak when there is nothing wrong with their own hands????

Ah.. you took it literally...
Read it again, and think "metafore"...

Do we expect that?
Do Chinese people expect Americans to know Chinese when they come to China?

 

[Cloggy]

That's a pretty powerful testimonial. I've seen people challenge you about whether or not you've asked Lotte if she wants to hear, likes to hear. Although I think they'd suspect any positive answer, insisting she was answering to please you. But her own actions give us her true answer, on her own initiative, she goes out of her way to ensure she has the tools she needs to hear. Because she really wants to.

I see the same with my daughter. We spent some afternoons at the pool with several Deaf families, and I figured that among people who were only signing, and in and out of the water, she would be willing to let me pack away her CIs. And, around these families many of us with kids who use CIs tend to really downplay the CIs, often slipping them off at playdates and parties. But she made such a fuss each time -- even though no one in our group around her would be speaking, she wanted to hear strangers, the sounds around her, insisted on wearing them. Definitely not out of any fear or lack of access -- like Lotte, she just really likes to hear.

Beautiful example... And even more powerful testimonial as this girl speaks two languages and knows sign... And with all that communication available she still wants to hear... Beautiful

 

[CSign]

LOL. I was thinking the same thing. I think the count is up to four now...