Poll: Support For Gay Marriage Growing

Foxrac said:
What guess? I should stop to believe in the God. :roll:

Not all Americans are Christians, just 75% are Christians since evangelical is only make up about 25% of Christian population and most mainline Christians are for gay rights, some support gay marriage, some support civil unions.

I disagree with you about gay marriage is not morally right but oh well.

I'm sorry about bring up the religious discussion.
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It has nothing to do with religious denominations.

Even if people don't accept God's morality, it still exists.

Like the law of gravity. Even if people don't believe in it, it still exists.
 
Reba said:
It has nothing to do with religious denominations.

Even if people don't accept God's morality, it still exists.

Like the law of gravity. Even if people don't believe in it, it still exists.
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What is your comment if atheist don't believe that God is existence?

It should be your view about the God is existence.
 
Reba, were you aware that slavery and segregation were law in the past, based on nothing more then an interepretation in the Bible? You know, more and more churches are turning around and saying that there's nothing wrong with being GLB.
Beliefs change you know.
 
Foxrac said:
What is your comment if atheist don't believe that God is existence?

It should be your view about the God is existence.
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This isn't a religion thread so I'm not going to comment about other people's beliefs.
 
Reba said:
I don't get the connection.


Actually, marriage itself is not a private matter. In the USA, marriage requires a license from the state, which makes it a matter of public record. If it was truly private, there wouldn't be any need for marriage laws.
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It is a private matter between consenting adults. Laws exists in this country to prevent the underaged from getting married. But, why should it apply to two consenting adults; just because they have the same gonads?

That makes no sense!
 
deafdyke said:
Reba, were you aware that slavery and segregation were law in the past, based on nothing more then an interepretation in the Bible?
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Not true. Societies that practiced slavery did so for economic and power reasons. They misused the Bible to try to justify and support a system that they wanted to perpetuate.

You know, more and more churches are turning around and saying that there's nothing wrong with being GLB.
Beliefs change you know.
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Lots of churches support lots of things that aren't God's will. So? God doesn't follow popular polls.

Churches might be "turning around" but God doesn't change. Beliefs might change but God doesn't change.

That's the way it's always been.
 
Reba said:
This isn't a religion thread so I'm not going to comment about other people's beliefs.
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Sure, just answer in PM instead if you want too.

I got your point about the God but I'm not going to make more comment anymore and try to get out of religious discussion.
 
I have to say I agree with Reba about one thing. It's merely a poll. Now, here's where I disagree with Reba...

I would LOVE to see these opinions translated into more states adopting a gay marriage law. Right now, only 5 states have such a law. Obviously, it'd be cool if all 50 states had a gay marriage law on the books, but for the time being, I'll settle for 20 states.
 
Its about equal rights. Homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals. Legal marriage would entitle a same sex couple to the same rights as a heterosexual couple. No more, no less.

That's what it's about.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
It is a private matter between consenting adults. Laws exists in this country to prevent the underaged from getting married. But, why should it apply to two consenting adults; just because they have the same gonads?

That makes no sense!
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Relationships might be private matters between consenting adults under American law but marriage is a societal relationship sanctioned by public law.

Is it not true that those seeking legal marriages want public recognition of their relationship, and the legal and financial benefits that go along?

Yes, laws exist now to prevent underage (which varies from state to state) people from marrying but what's to prevent those laws from changing downward in the future?
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I have to say I agree with Reba about one thing. It's merely a poll. Now, here's where I disagree with Reba...

I would LOVE to see these opinions translated into more states adopting a gay marriage law. Right now, only 5 states have such a law. Obviously, it'd be cool if all 50 states had a gay marriage law on the books, but for the time being, I'll settle for 20 states.
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Do you hear that Maryland will have gay marriage soon? I do know DC has one too.
 
Foxrac said:
Do you hear that Maryland will have gay marriage soon? I do know DC has one too.
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DC does, I think. I didn't know Maryland was about to pass such a law. That would me very happy considering I was born and raised in MD. :)
 
Reba said:
It has nothing to do with religious denominations.

Even if people don't accept God's morality, it still exists.

Like the law of gravity. Even if people don't believe in it, it still exists.
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Even if people don't accept Shiva's will, it still exists. Like gravity. Even if people don't believe in it, it still exists.
 
Reba said:
Why not? Do we all have to have the same beliefs and opinions?


You really believe marriage has no effect on people other than the couple? If that's the case, then why do homosexual people want it?


It didn't "become" not the right thing. It has never been the morally right thing to do.

Just because others don't see it that way doesn't mean I can't speak up.

After all, the OP was about a poll. Polls are about more than one opinion.
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Really? You had to ask that?
 
Reba said:
God establishes moral rightness for all people, past, present and future, all over the world. He is the ultimate Judge.
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Again, your own view about God. Not everyone believes in God.
 
shel90 said:
Again, your own view about God. Not everyone believes in God.
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That doesn't effect His existence or what is right or wrong. It only effects people's behavior and the consequences of their behavior.
 
I am very happy to see the support for gay marriage is growing and I see it everywhere around me (even deep in the Bible Belt!).

I am not a religious person but I try to see things from a religious standpoint. Now, if I truly believed in the Bible, of course, I'd be opposed to gay marriage. While it is true that there are things in the Bible that could be interpreted that certain immoral things are perfectly fine (such as slavery as deafdyke said) or vice versa, it is too obvious that the Bible looks down on homosexuality. (Although I am sure certain people will find Bible passages that imply that homosexuality is okay.) So I can't blame Reba for worrying that we may be doing something "immoral". I believe she is still a very good Christian because her words come from a place of being worried and warning people (for "their own good") due to her strong beliefs, but I doubt she ever would attack or put down gay people.

I do hope that one day, Reba will see the light and realize why this is necessary. Many Christians originally oppose to it, but as they meet more people and personally get to know people, they start changing their minds. There is a good reason for it.

Personally, I think that marriage (which is originally a religious institution) should never have been connected to the government. It became a weird hybrid institution of religion AND the government. But since that mistake has been made.... this is why this is happening. If marriage had been purely a religious ceremony and civil unions or whatever were the NORM for couples (even straight) living together for tax/benefit purposes, then this would be less complicated. Imagine getting some weird certification from the government if you had been baptized! And the nation sees you differently if you have or didn't have that certification. That's how I feel about marriage.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Personally, I think that marriage (which is originally a religious institution) should never have been connected to the government. It became a weird hybrid institution of religion AND the government. But since that mistake has been made.... this is why this is happening. If marriage had been purely a religious ceremony and civil unions or whatever were the NORM for couples (even straight) living together for tax/benefit purposes, then this would be less complicated. Imagine getting some weird certification from the government if you had been baptized! And the nation sees you differently if you have or didn't have that certification. That's how I feel about marriage.
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Er...

Might want to read up on the different type of marriages around the world and the socio-economic systems they're tied to.
 
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