Making Deaf Children: Eugenics is Eugenics is Eugenics

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An interesting study has found that the children of deaf parents who can hear oppose the right of deaf people to select embryos for deafness. From the abstract.

This study…is the first of its kind examining the views of hearing children of deaf adults towards preimplantation genetic diagnosis and prenatal diagnosis to select for or against deafness. Hearing children of deaf adults (or CODAs, as they call themselves, and are widely known in the deaf community) straddle both the deaf and hearing worlds, and this dual perspective makes them ideally placed to add to the academic discourse concerning the use of genetic selection for or against deafness. The study incorporated two complementary stages, using initial, semistructured interviews with key informants (CODAs and health professionals) as a means to guide the subsequent development of an electronic survey, completed anonymously by 66 individuals. The participants shared many of the same views as deaf individuals in the D/deaf (or “culturally deaf”) community. The similarities extended to their opinions regarding deafness not being a disability (45.5% believed deafness was a distinct culture rather than a disability), their ambivalence towards having hearing or deaf children (72.3% indicated no preference) and their general disapproval of the use of genetic technologies to select either for or against deafness (60% believed that reproductive technologies, when used to select for or against deafness, should not be available to the community).

Exactly right, and not just to the deaf community. Designing progeny to suit or fulfill our personal desires is oppression, pure and simple. It treats our children as a consumer product. It denies the equality of children with traits we don’t want, and ultimately restricts their freedom by the sheer power of genetic selection. It also treats the unwanted as so much medical refuse. Eugenics is eugenics is eugenics–from whatever side the deciding is made.
 
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Exactly. That is why I thought that the deaf people should have the right to choose deaf babies as long as the hearing people have the right to choose hearing babies. I want to see that the deaf people have the same right as the hearing people. If the hearing people don't want us to choose deaf babies then they should forbid any hearing people to pick what they want. Simple.
 
Exactly. That is why I thought that the deaf people should have the right to choose deaf babies as long as the hearing people have the right to choose hearing babies. I want to see that the deaf people have the same right as the hearing people. If the hearing people don't want us to choose deaf babies then they should forbid any hearing people to pick what they want. Simple.

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I agree with you 100% all the way. What is fair is fair. I don't like the hearing people put us down and say no to us if we could not have a deaf baby or babies. We have a right as much as the hearing people. We can choose to decide. Good for you, Buffalo, for standing up for your rights. :cool2:
 
Exactly. That is why I thought that the deaf people should have the right to choose deaf babies as long as the hearing people have the right to choose hearing babies. I want to see that the deaf people have the same right as the hearing people. If the hearing people don't want us to choose deaf babies then they should forbid any hearing people to pick what they want. Simple.
Good posting, Buffalo!!

Hearing people should NOT be granted more rights than deaf people.
 
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"hearing people should be granted more rights than deaf people"

Odd sentence coming from a Deaf advocate....
 
"hearing people should be granted more rights than deaf people"

Odd sentence coming from a Deaf advocate....

I think Shel mean that hearing people who are CODAs would wish to have deaf children just like Deaf people who want to have deaf baby or babies.

As for me, I just want to make a statement that both hearing and deaf people can select the kind of baby they want like hearing or deaf. Pardon not making it clear enough. :P
 
I have genetic hearing loss and the idea of screening embryos horrifies me. I would not have screened embryos if it had been available when I was having my kids. My children may feel differently, and I'll support whatever decision they make.
 
I would think CODA would be horrified if their parents would weed them out because of their hearing status. And I can't blame them.

I couldn't imagine weeding out our own beautiful son.
 
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Doesn't really matter in the end.

Once the technology becomes available people will find ways to use it and abuse it.

The only thing laws can do is punish those who have been caught after they break it.

And someday some 16 year old delinquent will have the knowledge to engineer his girlfriends baby using equipment he finds in his mother's kitchen.

Now there is a scary thought.
 
I think Shel mean that hearing people who are CODAs would wish to have deaf children just like Deaf people who want to have deaf baby or babies.

As for me, I just want to make a statement that both hearing and deaf people can select the kind of baby they want like hearing or deaf. Pardon not making it clear enough. :P

I thought I typed hearing people shouldnt have more rights than deaf people. typo...oops
 
I would think CODA would be horrified if their parents would weed them out because of their hearing status. And I can't blame them.

I couldn't imagine weeding out our own beautiful son.

I would be horrified if my parents would weed me out due to my deafness.
 
Exactly. That is why I thought that the deaf people should have the right to choose deaf babies as long as the hearing people have the right to choose hearing babies. I want to see that the deaf people have the same right as the hearing people. If the hearing people don't want us to choose deaf babies then they should forbid any hearing people to pick what they want. Simple.
so then you are for eugenics?? I think it is wrong in either direction.
 
I don't think anyone, deaf or hearing should "get what they want" in terms of this thread/subject.
 
Eugenics - this I chose to discuss in class a month ago and I got an A+, I had the class involved in a debate.

It was quite heated but that was the thing.. the Eugenics Movement happened and people were displaced because of how they were.
 
I don't know how I feel. I am in one sense horrified that someone would try to "screen out" deafness, but if they would really be a horrible parent to a deaf child, do we want them to have one? On the other side, I can see why a deaf parent could want to choose a deaf child.

I don't know...
 
Eugenics - this I chose to discuss in class a month ago and I got an A+, I had the class involved in a debate.

It was quite heated but that was the thing.. the Eugenics Movement happened and people were displaced because of how they were.

Did they know that B.C. and Alberta had eugenics laws that were not completely repelled until 198-something? :cold:
 
I don't know how I feel. I am in one sense horrified that someone would try to "screen out" deafness, but if they would really be a horrible parent to a deaf child, do we want them to have one? On the other side, I can see why a deaf parent could want to choose a deaf child.

I don't know...

Eugenics doesn't just apply to deafness. It applied to anything that wasn't normal to the human race. Blindness, DeafBlindness, Deafness, mental retardation, bi-racial people, those deemed of sub-standard breed and so on.

Did they know that B.C. and Alberta had eugenics laws that were not completely repelled until 198-something? :cold:

Yes, we all discussed that as well in class. It is very frightening how some people are very uneducated about Eugenics and its laws as well.
 
I don't know how I feel. I am in one sense horrified that someone would try to "screen out" deafness, but if they would really be a horrible parent to a deaf child, do we want them to have one? On the other side, I can see why a deaf parent could want to choose a deaf child.

I don't know...
The jist of it is the ability to "screen in or out deafness" It's a scary thought in either direction.
 
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