Change the future for a deaf child

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faire_jour said:
It isn't supposed to be directly taught, that is ridiculous. What about "Katrina will learn her number from 1-20, both by route and 1:1"? Is that a service? No, it is part of adapting the curriculum to meet individual needs within the classroom.
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Yes, it is part of the math curriculum, and the math curriculum is a direct teaching service. All children are taught math skills as part of the state mandated curriculum. All children are not taught speech as part of a state mandated curriculum. AVT is not an adaptation to the curriculum. It is an adjunct service. It is not even a teaching methodology.
 
Iam not a speech teacher...my certification shows that I am certified to teach deaf students math, LA, social studies, and science. Not certified in speech training here.
 
shel90 said:
Iam not a speech teacher...my certification shows that I am certified to teach deaf students math, LA, social studies, and science. Not certified in speech training here.
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Exactly. You are certified to teach the curriculum.
 
jillio said:
It can be, as an adjunct service. But if it were part of the curriculum, all children would have to have an AVT class. It would not need to be written into an IEP. And, since most deaf schools follow the public school curriculum, all hearing kids would have to have it too, if it were part of the curriculum.
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:ty: for the explanation, jillio.
 
faire_jour said:
And what about Oral Teachers of the Deaf who are also certified Auditory-Verbal Therapists?
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Just because they have a certification does not make it part of the curriculum. What does the "T" in AVT stand for, faire jour?
 
jillio said:
Just because they have a certification does not make it part of the curriculum. What does the "T" in AVT stand for, faire jour?
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Have you observed a lot of AV classrooms? Have you sat in on those children's IEP meetings? How are you an expert in this area?
 
faire_jour said:
Have you observed a lot of AV classrooms? Have you sat in on those children's IEP meetings? How are you an expert in this area?
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I don't understand why you keep arguing so vociferously with these people who have many years of experience and much education in the field.

Do you think they are going to change their philosophy?
 
Bottesini said:
I don't understand why you keep arguing so vociferously with these people who have many years of experience and much education in the field.

Do you think they are going to change their philosophy?
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Because they actually believe they are the one true authority on the subject, and they have a lot of people here convinced of it too.

Tell me, off hand, what are the "many years of authority" and "experience" that Jillio has in the oral education of CI users?
 
faire_jour said:
And what about Oral Teachers of the Deaf who are also certified Auditory-Verbal Therapists?
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If these teachers r conducting AVT in the classroom when they r supposed to be teaching the curriculm, their certification should be revoked cuz that's unethical.
 
shel90 said:
If these teachers r conducting AVT in the classroom when they r supposed to be teaching the curriculm, their certification should be revoked cuz that's unethical.
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AVT is integrated into every moment of everyday. They provide a language rich enviroment to teach children to learn to listen. They are "doing AVT" every time they open their mouths.
 
faire_jour said:
AVT is integrated into every moment of everyday. They provide a language rich enviroment to teach children to learn to listen. They are "doing AVT" every time they open their mouths.
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Well,since faire jour has chosen not to answer the question, "What does the "T" in AVT stand for?", I will answer it. It stands for therapy. AVT is a therapuetic technique intended to remediate deficiencies and delays in auditory and verbal functioning. It is not a subject included in a classroom curriculum. Academic subjects make up a curriculum. Therapy is not an academic subject. Therapy is not a teaching methodology.

And doing therapy is not teaching the curriculum. Speech therapy of any kind, auditory therapy of any kind is not an academic subject that composes the curriculum of the school, the classroom, the school system, and the state mandates.

If you want your child to be in an oral only environment, then put her in one. You cannot force a BiBi program to become an oral program for your child only. There are oral programs available. Use them if that is what you want, and stop trying to change the BiBi program into an oral program.
 
shel90 said:
If these teachers r conducting AVT in the classroom when they r supposed to be teaching the curriculm, their certification should be revoked cuz that's unethical.
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Exactly. AVT is therapy. It has absolutely nothing to do with teaching the curriculum to state standards.
 
faire_jour said:
Because they actually believe they are the one true authority on the subject, and they have a lot of people here convinced of it too.

Tell me, off hand, what are the "many years of authority" and "experience" that Jillio has in the oral education of CI users?
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faire_jour said:
Because they actually believe they are the one true authority on the subject, and they have a lot of people here convinced of it too.

Tell me, off hand, what are the "many years of authority" and "experience" that Jillio has in the oral education of CI users?
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Obviously, quite a bit more than yourself, as I am able to differentiate between a therapy that is an adjunct service, and the direct teaching of the curriculum.

Please, please show me, in any state in the United States, where the proficency test has a section for testing AVT skills in students. If it is not included on the state proficiency test, it is not a part of the curriculum.
 
jillio said:
Obviously, quite a bit more than yourself, as I am able to differentiate between a therapy that is an adjunct service, and the direct teaching of the curriculum.
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I do apologize for my use of "AVT" instead of writing out "the principles and guidepost used in the educational philosophy know as the Auditory Verbal approach to educating deaf and hard of hearing children"
 
faire_jour said:
I do apologize for my use of "AVT" instead of writing out "the principles and guidepost used in the educational philosophy know as the Auditory Verbal approach to educating deaf and hard of hearing children"
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That would be an oral only environment. If that is what you want for your child, then enroll her in that program. You have no legal right to force a BiBi program to become an oral program simply for your convenience. You have a choice. Make it.
 
jillio said:
Well,since faire jour has chosen not to answer the question, "What does the "T" in AVT stand for?", I will answer it. It stands for therapy. AVT is a therapuetic technique intended to remediate deficiencies and delays in auditory and verbal functioning. It is not a subject included in a classroom curriculum. Academic subjects make up a curriculum. Therapy is not an academic subject. Therapy is not a teaching methodology.

And doing therapy is not teaching the curriculum. Speech therapy of any kind, auditory therapy of any kind is not an academic subject that composes the curriculum of the school, the classroom, the school system, and the state mandates.

If you want your child to be in an oral only environment, then put her in one. You cannot force a BiBi program to become an oral program for your child only. There are oral programs available. Use them if that is what you want, and stop trying to change the BiBi program into an oral program.
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There are many bi-bi schools that have jearned the benefits of providing spoken language to deaf students. Maryland School for the Deaf is a good example. They have a CI program that uses spoken language from 50-90% of the classroom time. It doesn't mean that it isn't a bi-bi school. I have also heard about The Learning Center in Mass having a great bi-bi program that is still appropriate for CI users. Also, KDES and MSSD have a CI program. They are certainly considered bi-bi. http://clerccenter.gallaudet.edu/Cl...chlear_Implant_Education_Center/Services.html
Just because my school isn't doing it yet, doesn't mean it shouldn't.
 
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