GLBT Sign Language?

***VamPyroX*** · 10-05-2003, 09:57 PM

I recently talked with a few of my friends and the subject of GLBT sign language came up. He said that he went to a GLBT meeting and was told that we should chance how we sign gays, lesbians, bis, and transgenders. What's your opinion on this? Is it really worth changing sign language for GLBT?

10-06-2003, 04:53 AM

What do you mean about changing signs for these words? Do you mean like the political correctness of certain signs? Like how some people do not like it when gay is signed as "G" on chin, but rather fingerspelled as G-A-Y? To me, it is really no big deal, and I don't think I would really change it.

***VamPyroX*** · 10-06-2003, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kuifje75

What do you mean about changing signs for these words? Do you mean like the political correctness of certain signs? Like how some people do not like it when gay is signed as "G" on chin, but rather fingerspelled as G-A-Y? To me, it is really no big deal, and I don't think I would really change it.

Yeah, they prefered the politically correct way of using these sign languages. For gay, you spell it out instead of saying "G" on the chin. For transgendered, you make a motion of an opened hand to closed hand whole rounding your wrist around an imaginary breast. Bi is left alone with a simple "B-I" as it is spelled out. Lesbian is prefered to be spelled out like with gay.

lilredridinhood · 10-07-2003, 09:02 PM

Personally, I don't care how it's signed.

***VamPyroX*** · 10-07-2003, 09:49 PM

That's the spirit!

pbpara · 10-16-2003, 08:00 AM

Doesn't that sign for Transgendered sort of infer that all of them are male to female transgenders? I'm surprised that would be their PC sign...there are female to male transgenders too.

Fly Free · 10-16-2003, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

For transgendered, you make a motion of an opened hand to closed hand whole rounding your wrist around an imaginary breast.

Vampy -- im unable to understand ur explaination on this sign for transgendered -- can u please explain a bit more clear for me q

***VamPyroX*** · 10-16-2003, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fly Free

Vampy -- im unable to understand ur explaination on this sign for transgendered -- can u please explain a bit more clear for me q

It's hard to describe cuz I can't sign it perfectly myself.

Umm...

Instead of closing your hand completely, close it by using the pinky finger first and close the whole hand finger by finger like a domino effect.

That's the best I can describe. I don't really care because I think it's a waste of time making up a bunch of new signs when we should just stick with the old ones.

pbpara · 10-16-2003, 12:54 PM

Something in that is still decidedly female-centric to me...

Fly Free · 10-16-2003, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

It's hard to describe cuz I can't sign it perfectly myself.

Umm...

Instead of closing your hand completely, close it by using the pinky finger first and close the whole hand finger by finger like a domino effect.

That's the best I can describe. I don't really care because I think it's a waste of time making up a bunch of new signs when we should just stick with the old ones.

i agree abt the waste of time making up new signs -- but hell seeing new signs interests me on how ppl signs whatever word -- as for ur 2nd attempt in explaining -- i think i have a general idea but still do not see how it can be a sign for "transgendered" uhmm -- gracias Vampy

10-16-2003, 06:15 PM

for people who changed their sex, I sign "sex" but I use the "x" on top in right way, then I twist the X backwards when I moved it down. Like "changed" whilst signing sex with one hand.

Fly Free · 10-16-2003, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kuifje75

for people who changed their sex, I sign "sex" but I use the "x" on top in right way, then I twist the X backwards when I moved it down. Like "changed" whilst signing sex with one hand.

thats how i sign it too Kuifje

CatoCooper13 · 10-16-2003, 07:29 PM

I must be getting quite rusty and forgettable about ASL...

It doesn't bother me -- no need to change anything if it's not too offending and so forth.

***VamPyroX*** · 10-16-2003, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kuifje75

for people who changed their sex, I sign "sex" but I use the "x" on top in right way, then I twist the X backwards when I moved it down. Like "changed" whilst signing sex with one hand.

That's the sign I like! I'm sorry if it appears offensive to some people but it's the only thing that will make people understand the real meaning.

lilredridinhood · 10-18-2003, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

That's the sign I like! I'm sorry if it appears offensive to some people but it's the only thing that will make people understand the real meaning.

i sign it that way too, so..

Oddball · 11-01-2003, 10:56 PM

I learned that sign of transgender is new to us in USA. U know sign of "x" reversable on cheek. Not anymore. New sign of "pretty" is on the chest.

***VamPyroX*** · 11-02-2003, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Oddball

I learned that sign of transgender is new to us in USA. U know sign of "x" reversable on cheek. Not anymore. New sign of "pretty" is on the chest.

Now, that's the best description I've ever heard. That's exactly what I'm trying to say.

Oddball · 11-03-2003, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Now, that's the best description I've ever heard. That's exactly what I'm trying to say.

No problem

WhiteWolves64 · 12-15-2006, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Fly Free

Vampy -- im unable to understand ur explaination on this sign for transgendered -- can u please explain a bit more clear for me q

Here's pictures of Sign language of "Transgender" and Just a thought you might want to clear it up to understand what they talking about....

Interpretrator · 12-15-2006, 03:45 PM

To me that TRANSGENDER sign doesn't really look like getting the breasts removed, but has a sense of "feeling beautiful inside." That's how I'll remember it anyway, although most likely I'll use the older change-X sign with people who still use it.

Your Mom · 12-15-2006, 07:28 PM

I really dont have a personal preference. I can certainly understand how someone might perceive some of the signs as being rather un-pc. But personally, I am not in any manner offended by any of the above signs.

Foxrac · 12-15-2006, 07:46 PM

Just better to show on video.

Fly Free · 12-16-2006, 07:25 AM

WhiteWolves64 -- thank u for posting the pixs for the sign for "transgender" altho this thread is old and yep am aware of that sign for a while now

Maria · 12-17-2006, 05:42 AM

Very interestin' about GLBT sign language. I've never seen one like this before. Wonderin' if, it is old sign language for transgender, glbt, and etc., etc. ?

WhiteWolves64 · 12-17-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberRed

Very interestin' about GLBT sign language. I've never seen one like this before. Wonderin' if, it is old sign language for transgender, glbt, and etc., etc. ?

CyberRed... No, this is not old sign for transgender but it has been around for about 3 to 4 years now and it was started by TG (transgender) woman from UK (London) that new sign that gave to Dragosani Riveria - Famous Deaf FTM (female to male) when he was in RAD in Flordia in couple of years ago and the TG woman told Drago that new sign is polite and clean for people to use rather using the old "X" sign that makes people thinks that insulting or dirty word for international wide sign language user for transgender.....And that the old sign which was like using X sign on cheek move down to chin in backward X sign.... let me demostrate you in the pictures that what i am talking about.... For the sign of GLBT is mostly likely use gay "G" on chin, lesbian "L" on chin, Bisexual in fingerspelling "BI", transgender either "X" from cheek to chin (see pic below) or "beautiful in the chest" (see previous pic).... or people sign in fingerspelling "gay", "lesbian", "bi", "transgender" ....like that...

WhiteWolves64

Maria · 12-18-2006, 09:57 AM

Oh, wow ! Very interestin' ! Now, I get the idea. Thanks for the demonstratin' for me.

Oh, by the way - is there any link I could learn it from ? I would very much like to learn since it is new to me.

WhiteWolves64

me_punctured · 12-18-2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Interpretrator

To me that TRANSGENDER sign doesn't really look like getting the breasts removed, but has a sense of "feeling beautiful inside." That's how I'll remember it anyway, although most likely I'll use the older change-X sign with people who still use it.

I can't use the older change-X sign because none of my friends, at least the ones from the West Coast, use it. When somebody does use it, I find it disconcerting. Generally, I use the new sign for TRANSGENDER although I "re-open" my dominant hand after I close it. Once I showed it to my friend, a native signer of Taiwanese SL, and he thought it resembled a blossoming flower.

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10-06-2003, 04:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
kuifje75 Guest Posts: n/a	What do you mean about changing signs for these words? Do you mean like the political correctness of certain signs? Like how some people do not like it when gay is signed as "G" on chin, but rather fingerspelled as G-A-Y? To me, it is really no big deal, and I don't think I would really change it.

10-07-2003, 09:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
lilredridinhood DreameR Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ht0wn, TX!:-D Posts: 616	Personally, I don't care how it's signed.

10-16-2003, 08:00 AM	#6 (permalink)
pbpara Professional Sitter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 40	Doesn't that sign for Transgendered sort of infer that all of them are male to female transgenders? I'm surprised that would be their PC sign...there are female to male transgenders too.

10-16-2003, 12:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
pbpara Professional Sitter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 40	Something in that is still decidedly female-centric to me...

10-16-2003, 06:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
kuifje75 Guest Posts: n/a	for people who changed their sex, I sign "sex" but I use the "x" on top in right way, then I twist the X backwards when I moved it down. Like "changed" whilst signing sex with one hand.

11-01-2003, 10:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
Oddball Wacky Oddball Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland native now lives in New Jersey. Posts: 3,161	I learned that sign of transgender is new to us in USA. U know sign of "x" reversable on cheek. Not anymore. New sign of "pretty" is on the chest.

12-15-2006, 03:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
Interpretrator Crime fighter Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,417	To me that TRANSGENDER sign doesn't really look like getting the breasts removed, but has a sense of "feeling beautiful inside." That's how I'll remember it anyway, although most likely I'll use the older change-X sign with people who still use it.

12-15-2006, 07:28 PM	#21 (permalink)
Your Mom Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 519	I really dont have a personal preference. I can certainly understand how someone might perceive some of the signs as being rather un-pc. But personally, I am not in any manner offended by any of the above signs.

12-16-2006, 07:25 AM	#23 (permalink)
Fly Free Just me Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wherever i want to be LOL Posts: 9,101	WhiteWolves64 -- thank u for posting the pixs for the sign for "transgender" altho this thread is old and yep am aware of that sign for a while now

12-17-2006, 05:42 AM	#24 (permalink)
Maria Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 8,185	Very interestin' about GLBT sign language. I've never seen one like this before. Wonderin' if, it is old sign language for transgender, glbt, and etc., etc. ?

12-18-2006, 09:57 AM	#26 (permalink)
Maria Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 8,185	Oh, wow ! Very interestin' ! Now, I get the idea. Thanks for the demonstratin' for me. Oh, by the way - is there any link I could learn it from ? I would very much like to learn since it is new to me. WhiteWolves64