Queer - derogatory or not? - Page 2

PuyoPiyo · 03-07-2008, 06:22 PM

Finally someone who are gay here

My opinion, it depends on how people use the word "queer", but I rarely see people use "queer" to insult the GLBTs. Most of the times I see GLBTs use "queer" as pride, and seems like it became less offensive word. I do experience people insulting me about my sexual orientation and mostly of them was a "fag", also I never been insult by using the "queer", except for that some of my GLBT friends being proud of being queer.

It's the same as the word "bitch", some people use it to insult females, but some of teenage girls use that word to be pride as being bitch.

Other example, Dick. Some of people use it to insult the males, but some of people use it as a boy's name, even a company "Dick Hannah" which sells the automoblies.

Queer seems are more less and less offensive, and more pride now

lumbingmi · 03-07-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

But of course brother's are known to beat one another up just like I did when I was growing up.......

Jeebus. It s your own person opinion and for your sake, I wont call you queer whatsoever.

Btw, I use 'queer' around with my gay friends.

lumbingmi · 03-07-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Finally someone who are gay here

Queer seems are more less and less offensive, and more pride now

Thank you, the voice of reason.

***VamPyroX*** · 03-07-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase

"Butt Buddy"

It was actually the name of a device for bird hunters that hung on one's belt to rest the buttstock of a shotgun on while walking in the field. It was available in Cabella's catelogue. But the manufacturer had to change the name because so many hunters made fun of it and so many others were offended.

That reminds me of another product called "Nutty Buddy"...

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Byrdie714 · 03-08-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Jeebus. It s your own person opinion and for your sake, I wont call you queer whatsoever.

Btw, I use 'queer' around with my gay friends.

It's also a generational issue as well.

As a person of an older generation, the term, "queer" was, is and has always been derogatory.

Now we see the younger GLBT's using that terminology and I don't think the young ones know what the older GLBT's had to endure for them in terms of fighting for acceptance and such.

Ricka5 · 04-23-2008, 11:22 AM

With the - maybe? - Queer ('Gay'?) authors of "Southpark" determined to make the meaning of 'gay' to be 'boring', or 'corny' (even my kids use 'gay' as a pejorative term now!), maybe it's better to be Queer. I call myself Queer, partly because I think 'gay' now sounds trivial, and probably gets used to describe guys into what some might consider to be lightweight persuits: fashion, drek, kitsch, show-tunes, popular clubs, bars, cafes, good tan - whatever. 'Queer', somehow, seems to mean sort of a regular guy. Then again, 'filthy' now means 'cool' (which used to be 'hot', and sometimes still is..). But if people say to me: "Are you gay?" I answer: "I'm gonna reply to that, but first I have to understand what YOU mean by 'gay'? Do you mean some guy who wears women's clothes when no one knows? Or a guy who tries to pick up teenagers in public toilets? What is YOUR definition of 'gay'?"

Ricka5 · 04-23-2008, 11:33 AM

By the way: I'm of 'the older generation', too - and it reckon it's good to take possession of anything that oppresses you and turn it on its head: so that's why, in Australia, some of we Queers don't mind calling ourselves Poofters - which was Aussie slang maybe worse than 'Fag!' if it got yelled at you in the street. Now you can get it on a T-shirt. It's all good - the answer to all those pejoratives is: 'Yeah, so what?'

***Chase*** · 04-23-2008, 01:27 PM

Well, I'm in an older generation, too. I've never used "queer" to address anyone. It's grossly impolite, but maybe politeness is a generation thing, as well.

"Homosexual" is the only descriptive term I've ever used when necessary to refer to someone's same-sex preferences.

Gay means "happy," "merry," "lighthearted"--something homosexuals don't have a lock on, so the term is at least a misnomer, if not pejorative.

Cowpuppy · 04-23-2008, 04:43 PM

When I see the word it always makes me think 'out of the norm'. I wouldn't want it being used if trying to gain acceptance in the world.
It's a bigot term. Should try to snuff it.
There are other words one can take pride in but this one denotes...different-odd in a bad way,etc.

Soonersseth · 04-23-2008, 07:17 PM

people used to call things retarted now its "thats gay" are they really meaning "thats homosexual" ? or is gay just a word?

Wokamuka · 04-23-2008, 07:50 PM

Folks say, "Oh, that's so gay" to express that it's out of fashion or not acceptable by more recent, newer metrosexual standards.

Say what you believe about other lifestyles (if you really need to have reasons in believing in your own), gay folks make great musicals, created the Hollywood phenomenon, and, dammit, they make many, many people happy - though many turn their backs on them and make it very hard for them to have a happy life.

shel90 · 04-23-2008, 07:59 PM

[quote=Wokamuka;961843]Folks say, "Oh, that's so gay" to express that it's out of fashion or not acceptable by more recent, newer metrosexual standards.

Say what you believe about other lifestyles (if you really need to have reasons in believing in your own), gay folks make great musicals, created the Hollywood phenomenon, and, dammit, they make many, many people happy - though many turn their backs on them and make it very hard for them to have a happy life.[/QUOTE]

I agree..why do people care how they live their lives??

Anyways...as for queer...my mom used to say that all the time when I was growing up. I guess in her time, it was the slang to use but nowadays? It would be gay as far as I know.

As for being derogatory, I would assume it is. I could be wrong.

Byrdie714 · 04-23-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase

Well, I'm in an older generation, too. I've never used "queer" to address anyone. It's grossly impolite, but maybe politeness is a generation thing, as well.

"Homosexual" is the only descriptive term I've ever used when necessary to refer to someone's same-sex preferences.

Gay means "happy," "merry," "lighthearted"--something homosexuals don't have a lock on, so the term is at least a misnomer, if not pejorative.

I agree with you.

Do you remember introducing a man and his " gentleman friend _________ ? " Or a " lady and her lady friend_________ ? "

04-23-2008, 11:22 AM	#36 (permalink)
Ricka5 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5	Post "Southpark", 'Queer' is better than 'Gay'! With the - maybe? - Queer ('Gay'?) authors of "Southpark" determined to make the meaning of 'gay' to be 'boring', or 'corny' (even my kids use 'gay' as a pejorative term now!), maybe it's better to be Queer. I call myself Queer, partly because I think 'gay' now sounds trivial, and probably gets used to describe guys into what some might consider to be lightweight persuits: fashion, drek, kitsch, show-tunes, popular clubs, bars, cafes, good tan - whatever. 'Queer', somehow, seems to mean sort of a regular guy. Then again, 'filthy' now means 'cool' (which used to be 'hot', and sometimes still is..). But if people say to me: "Are you gay?" I answer: "I'm gonna reply to that, but first I have to understand what YOU mean by 'gay'? Do you mean some guy who wears women's clothes when no one knows? Or a guy who tries to pick up teenagers in public toilets? What is YOUR definition of 'gay'?"

04-23-2008, 07:50 PM	#41 (permalink)
Wokamuka 1.20.09 : end of an error Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 432	Folks say, "Oh, that's so gay" to express that it's out of fashion or not acceptable by more recent, newer metrosexual standards. Say what you believe about other lifestyles (if you really need to have reasons in believing in your own), gay folks make great musicals, created the Hollywood phenomenon, and, dammit, they make many, many people happy - though many turn their backs on them and make it very hard for them to have a happy life. __________________

04-23-2008, 07:59 PM	#42 (permalink)
shel90 So ready for Springtime! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A Desert Rat that has found herself in Maryland Posts: 11,365 Blog Entries: 1	[quote=Wokamuka;961843]Folks say, "Oh, that's so gay" to express that it's out of fashion or not acceptable by more recent, newer metrosexual standards. Say what you believe about other lifestyles (if you really need to have reasons in believing in your own), gay folks make great musicals, created the Hollywood phenomenon, and, dammit, they make many, many people happy - though many turn their backs on them and make it very hard for them to have a happy life.[/QUOTE] I agree..why do people care how they live their lives?? Anyways...as for queer...my mom used to say that all the time when I was growing up. I guess in her time, it was the slang to use but nowadays? It would be gay as far as I know. As for being derogatory, I would assume it is. I could be wrong. __________________ ~Shel~

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03-07-2008, 06:22 PM	#31 (permalink)
PuyoPiyo slotting Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Couve Wa Posts: 3,950	Finally someone who are gay here My opinion, it depends on how people use the word "queer", but I rarely see people use "queer" to insult the GLBTs. Most of the times I see GLBTs use "queer" as pride, and seems like it became less offensive word. I do experience people insulting me about my sexual orientation and mostly of them was a "fag", also I never been insult by using the "queer", except for that some of my GLBT friends being proud of being queer. It's the same as the word "bitch", some people use it to insult females, but some of teenage girls use that word to be pride as being bitch. Other example, Dick. Some of people use it to insult the males, but some of people use it as a boy's name, even a company "Dick Hannah" which sells the automoblies. Queer seems are more less and less offensive, and more pride now

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04-23-2008, 11:33 AM	#37 (permalink)
Ricka5 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5	By the way: I'm of 'the older generation', too - and it reckon it's good to take possession of anything that oppresses you and turn it on its head: so that's why, in Australia, some of we Queers don't mind calling ourselves Poofters - which was Aussie slang maybe worse than 'Fag!' if it got yelled at you in the street. Now you can get it on a T-shirt. It's all good - the answer to all those pejoratives is: 'Yeah, so what?'

04-23-2008, 01:27 PM	#38 (permalink)
*Chase* Mod with training wheels Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Albany, Oregon Posts: 1,834	Well, I'm in an older generation, too. I've never used "queer" to address anyone. It's grossly impolite, but maybe politeness is a generation thing, as well. "Homosexual" is the only descriptive term I've ever used when necessary to refer to someone's same-sex preferences. Gay means "happy," "merry," "lighthearted"--something homosexuals don't have a lock on, so the term is at least a misnomer, if not pejorative.

04-23-2008, 04:43 PM	#39 (permalink)
Cowpuppy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: On The Road Again Posts: 348	When I see the word it always makes me think 'out of the norm'. I wouldn't want it being used if trying to gain acceptance in the world. It's a bigot term. Should try to snuff it. There are other words one can take pride in but this one denotes...different-odd in a bad way,etc.

04-23-2008, 07:17 PM	#40 (permalink)
Soonersseth Boomer Sooner Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ada, OK Posts: 1,374	people used to call things retarted now its "thats gay" are they really meaning "thats homosexual" ? or is gay just a word?