Transgenders faced discrimination in Seattle, Washington. :( - Page 2

PuyoPiyo · 09-12-2007, 03:56 AM

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Thanks!

No problemo!

Dark-Half · 09-12-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Yeah someday the world will change. I am very glad there is schools that taught students about the glbt community and their history. I am with you all the way on this post!

Good post btw

They aren't fussy, they do not choose to be this. Can you imagine wake up in a girl's body, but really you are boy? Can you imagine that you have to deal with the periods, you have to wear the ridilicious dress, can you imagine you have to deal with other men flirting on you? Those people who call you dyke, lesbo, etc? What should you do? The only way out is... suicide or change to boy. You will go for change to boy, ah then you are transgender now, right.

While you are transgender, everyone hate you. They laugh at you, refuse give you jobs, refuse give you homes, treat you like mental illness, probably someone planning to murder you. Can you imagine how HELL transgender people have been through. Transgender is not only about what's between their legs, but about what's between their ears (the brain).

Sorry, I don't believe in that. I think it's a desire fueled by delusion. I don't see why the rest of the world would have to change their ways just because some people wish they were a different sex. If they want to be a different sex they should get a sex change operation. It's insulting rules pre-implimented by society. It doesn't matter if they THINK they're a damn guy, they physically have the traits of a woman so that's going against the hierarchy of rules. Co-ed bathrooms is retarded, I'm sorry it just is because imagine how many perverts would try to look under stalls; hit on females pathetically as theyre trying to do bussiness and some other shit I can't probably think of. While you have honorable intentions the path to hell is paved with them. It would create so many problems man just to solve ONE.

Some people think they are birds or wolves (lycanpho-something or other) but it doesn't mean they are. People can act femine or masculine if they want I never had a problem with that.. but saying they were born the wrong sex just.... i find it a joke.

PuyoPiyo · 09-13-2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark-Half

Sorry, I don't believe in that. I think it's a desire fueled by delusion. I don't see why the rest of the world would have to change their ways just because some people wish they were a different sex. If they want to be a different sex they should get a sex change operation. It's insulting rules pre-implimented by society. It doesn't matter if they THINK they're a damn guy, they physically have the traits of a woman so that's going against the hierarchy of rules. Co-ed bathrooms is retarded, I'm sorry it just is because imagine how many perverts would try to look under stalls; hit on females pathetically as theyre trying to do bussiness and some other shit I can't probably think of. While you have honorable intentions the path to hell is paved with them. It would create so many problems man just to solve ONE.

Some people think they are birds or wolves (lycanpho-something or other) but it doesn't mean they are. People can act femine or masculine if they want I never had a problem with that.. but saying they were born the wrong sex just.... i find it a joke.

Well I don't really care about your post because it seems like you all want to ramblings how wrong transgender is and knowing nothing about what's wrong with them, anyway, did you ever read my other thread? Anyway, let me give you very interesting link you should know.

IJ TRANSGENDER - A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality By J.-N. Zhou, M.A. Hoffmann, L.J. Gooren and D.F. Swaab

Now, before you judge them, RESEARCH about them. Research about Harry Benjamin, research my link, research about those people who are transgenders, their experience and feelings, etc. And don't forget that there is people who born with hormone problem or intersex. Think TWICE.

I'd rather to let those people to be happy whatever they want to be than keep them follow the rule till they ended up as depression, self-islotating, or even suicide, then we will never learn anything about them or we might never get anything new to the world from them.

Pacman · 09-13-2007, 03:26 AM

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Wow about the priest at Canada.. Yeah I am quite agreeing with you that there will not be much of discrimination because the law will be more and more strictly about the hate crime. I heard there is a man who was begging the America government to advance about the GLBT (especially transgenders) law and satistics. But that man have to wait till President Bush leave because Bush said that if the paper come to his desk, he will be more likely to veto it.

Oh well, we need more vote to override Bush's veto, he will goes to bedroom and cry alot.

PuyoPiyo · 09-13-2007, 03:44 AM

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Oh well, we need more vote to override Bush's veto, he will goes to bedroom and cry alot.

Ofc he will and there will be no mercy for him because he obsiviously have NO HEART.

Dark-Half · 09-13-2007, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Well I don't really care about your post because it seems like you all want to ramblings how wrong transgender is and knowing nothing about what's wrong with them, anyway, did you ever read my other thread? Anyway, let me give you very interesting link you should know.

IJ TRANSGENDER - A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality By J.-N. Zhou, M.A. Hoffmann, L.J. Gooren and D.F. Swaab

Now, before you judge them, RESEARCH about them. Research about Harry Benjamin, research my link, research about those people who are transgenders, their experience and feelings, etc. And don't forget that there is people who born with hormone problem or intersex. Think TWICE.

I'd rather to let those people to be happy whatever they want to be than keep them follow the rule till they ended up as depression, self-islotating, or even suicide, then we will never learn anything about them or we might never get anything new to the world from them.

Look, I really don't care wheither it's true or not (I think its a mental disorder but that's irrelevant to the actual discussion.) - the point is that they are not physically men so they BROKE a law. Women are NOT meant to go into the mens room, it doesn't matter what they think they are because their physique contradicts it. If it mattered to them so much as to what fucking bathroom they could enter they should just get a sex change.

Because there's no federal law that decidates where transgenders supposta take a leak; people are forced to enforce the pre-existing laws. Got tits, go in womens. Got balls, go in mens. No if's and or buts. I don't see how it matters so much where they have to take a fucking piss, dude.

I personally would feel really uncomfortable if a chick was taking a piss standing next to me just because she mentally thinks she's a guy. I hope you realize I'm not the only guy who would feel this way -- you're basically saying all people who are uncomfortable with the idea should be forced to accomodate. Fuck that.

Edit- the only solution i can think up is more refined porta-potties. Far more private for everyone and you don't have to listen to the guy in the next stall take a huge shit. You're lookin at a jail-cell sized room with a door and sink. They got a lot of these at the EN&T I go to when I have appointments with my audie.

PuyoPiyo · 09-13-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark-Half

Look, I really don't care wheither it's true or not (I think its a mental disorder but that's irrelevant to the actual discussion.) - the point is that they are not physically men so they BROKE a law. Women are NOT meant to go into the mens room, it doesn't matter what they think they are because their physique contradicts it. If it mattered to them so much as to what fucking bathroom they could enter they should just get a sex change.

Because there's no federal law that decidates where transgenders supposta take a leak; people are forced to enforce the pre-existing laws. Got tits, go in womens. Got balls, go in mens. No if's and or buts. I don't see how it matters so much where they have to take a fucking piss, dude.

I personally would feel really uncomfortable if a chick was taking a piss standing next to me just because she mentally thinks she's a guy. I hope you realize I'm not the only guy who would feel this way -- you're basically saying all people who are uncomfortable with the idea should be forced to accomodate. Fuck that.

Edit- the only solution i can think up is more refined porta-potties. Far more private for everyone and you don't have to listen to the guy in the next stall take a huge shit. You're lookin at a jail-cell sized room with a door and sink. They got a lot of these at the EN&T I go to when I have appointments with my audie.

Obsiviously you didn't read the link I gave to you. That link was not saying that transgender has mental illness. In the note, the doctor and sciencist remove the transgender issue from the mental illness catergory since 1970ish. That link show the difference between a transsexual woman's brain, homosexual man's brain, straight man's brain, and a straight woman's brain. It appeared that a transsexual woman have the same brain as straight woman's brain.

Allright, how do you feel if you born with no penis or vagina, then everyone refuse let you go in men nor women restrooms because of your intersex issue? That is really selfish. Oh what if you like to wear a pink tshirt, then whamp! Everyone laugh at you, stats that you have a gender issue, then later someone appeared to beating you up violence and murder you. When you die, everyone don't care about you because you broke the gender "LAW" as due of you wore pink tshirt. Ridicilious uh? Also who in the world created the "Gender Law"?

So enough making the transgender feel ridicilious and read my link, please, it is rather very interesting.

netrox · 09-13-2007, 07:44 PM

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I personally would feel really uncomfortable if a chick was taking a piss standing next to me just because she mentally thinks she's a guy. I hope you realize I'm not the only guy who would feel this way -- you're basically saying all people who are uncomfortable with the idea should be forced to accomodate.

I don't care if a chick is next to me is pissing. What's your problem?

HappyBoi · 09-13-2007, 11:53 PM

=( That's sad.

MetroGuy03 · 09-14-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark-Half

Look, I really don't care wheither it's true or not (I think its a mental disorder but that's irrelevant to the actual discussion.) - the point is that they are not physically men so they BROKE a law. Women are NOT meant to go into the mens room, it doesn't matter what they think they are because their physique contradicts it. If it mattered to them so much as to what fucking bathroom they could enter they should just get a sex change.

Because there's no federal law that decidates where transgenders supposta take a leak; people are forced to enforce the pre-existing laws. Got tits, go in womens. Got balls, go in mens. No if's and or buts. I don't see how it matters so much where they have to take a fucking piss, dude.

I personally would feel really uncomfortable if a chick was taking a piss standing next to me just because she mentally thinks she's a guy. I hope you realize I'm not the only guy who would feel this way -- you're basically saying all people who are uncomfortable with the idea should be forced to accomodate. Fuck that.

Edit- the only solution i can think up is more refined porta-potties. Far more private for everyone and you don't have to listen to the guy in the next stall take a huge shit. You're lookin at a jail-cell sized room with a door and sink. They got a lot of these at the EN&T I go to when I have appointments with my audie.

I recommend you to hold your judgement against transgenders and be neutral about it until you have an opportunity to meet some transgenders. After you meet them, please try to understand them better. You will see why they are like that. It is not fair for you or anyone to degrade transgenders because you or others doesn't know what it is like to be in their bodies that doesn't agree what gender they are.

Have you even think about some people born without sex or both sex? It is really hard for many parents to decide what sex they want for their babies so they chose girl or boy... Years later, these children grows up struggling that they feel like they're opposed sex even they're men or women until they realize that is not who they really are so they have to change their genders to make them happier and able to be themselves.

What if you happen to have children or relatives that doesn't agree with the genders that they have on them? Will you disown them? What's about your close friends? Will you end your friendship with them if they wanted to change their sex?

That is something that you should think about it before you pass your judgment against transgenders.

I was in your shoe before until I met transgenders and they helped me understand them much more than I did in the past.

Dark-Half · 09-15-2007, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Obsiviously you didn't read the link I gave to you. That link was not saying that transgender has mental illness.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear the first time; Whether or not transgender is a myth or fact is completely irrelevant to the actual discussion I don't see how you can't come to terms with that. My point remains valid because it covers both scenarios and wasn't tailored to any specific spectrum.

netrox- Just because you don't have a problem with it doesn't mean others won't. Your opinion does not reflect the public. For every 1 person that is fine with it there's going to be 2 who are not. I'm entitled my opinion and I think it's destructive to the fabrics and ideals of society. It's a double edged blade that will ultimately rend itself into more problems than it solves. It's taking priory for GLBT's wants over public wants; forcing people to get used to the idea of co-ed bathrooms.

MetroGuy03 - My ex was one and only admited to it after a year apart from her. Funny how you tell me to hold my judgement because you assume I have no experince with them and jump to conclusions. Well dude, you just jumped to a conclusion. I've posted somewhere complaining about how it bugged me; If I didn't (because sometimes I post things then delete them and not post after thinking on them solely because some people here just annoy me and don't really have a broad range of intelligence to grasp what I'm discussing sometimes not to mention a lot of people misunderstand me as well.) well then shit that ruins the crediablity of my point because of lacking evidence; but the fact remains that it did happen in reality and you'll just have to go on my good word for it.

MetroGuy03 · 09-15-2007, 01:08 AM

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MetroGuy03 - My ex was one and only admited to it after a year apart from her. Funny how you tell me to hold my judgement because you assume I have no experince with them and jump to conclusions. Well dude, you just jumped to a conclusion. I've posted somewhere complaining about how it bugged me; If I didn't (because sometimes I post things then delete them and not post after thinking on them solely because some people here just annoy me and don't really have a broad range of intelligence to grasp what I'm discussing sometimes not to mention a lot of people misunderstand me as well.) well then shit that ruins the crediablity of my point because of lacking evidence; but the fact remains that it did happen in reality and you'll just have to go on my good word for it.

I don't think I jump to the conclusion at all. First of all, you didn't state anything related to your experiences at the first place. You ONLY stated your opinions which is obvious you never met one before in your life or unwilling to understand them first before you judge. That is why some people here like me QUESTION you about your judgment against transgenders. By the way, you didn't really read my whole post aren't you?

Dark-Half · 09-15-2007, 07:37 AM

I'm trying to be nice about this when you're really getting on my nerves. The only reason you two are dragging this on is because you don't like my opinion and views, tough shit. Deal with it. It's hard knock logic and I just explained exactly why it happened to the person and posted my opinion on trans. My opinion on transgenders is completely irrelevant. How many times do I have to say this? I don't even need to write out my experinces with them just to validate an opinion. My ex has nothing to do with this, you claimed I never met one. I rebuked your statement because I have dated one for 2 years and have been friends afterwards. Let it go already and stop trying to play hero, you're not going to change my opinion.

PuyoPiyo · 09-15-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark-Half

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear the first time; Whether or not transgender is a myth or fact is completely irrelevant to the actual discussion I don't see how you can't come to terms with that. My point remains valid because it covers both scenarios and wasn't tailored to any specific spectrum.

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Originally Posted by Dark-Half

I'm trying to be nice about this when you're really getting on my nerves. The only reason you two are dragging this on is because you don't like my opinion and views, tough shit. Deal with it. It's hard knock logic and I just explained exactly why it happened to the person and posted my opinion on trans. My opinion on transgenders is completely irrelevant. How many times do I have to say this? I don't even need to write out my experinces with them just to validate an opinion. My ex has nothing to do with this, you claimed I never met one. I rebuked your statement because I have dated one for 2 years and have been friends afterwards. Let it go already and stop trying to play hero, you're not going to change my opinion.

*sigh* I don't think you really read the link. I'd rather not discussion with someone who refuse to really research about transgender but blahhing how irrelevant transgender are. End of discussion.

WhiteWolves64 · 09-15-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark-Half

Look, I really don't care wheither it's true or not (I think its a mental disorder but that's irrelevant to the actual discussion.) - the point is that they are not physically men so they BROKE a law. Women are NOT meant to go into the mens room, it doesn't matter what they think they are because their physique contradicts it. If it mattered to them so much as to what fucking bathroom they could enter they should just get a sex change.

Because there's no federal law that decidates where transgenders supposta take a leak; people are forced to enforce the pre-existing laws. Got tits, go in womens. Got balls, go in mens. No if's and or buts. I don't see how it matters so much where they have to take a fucking piss, dude.

I personally would feel really uncomfortable if a chick was taking a piss standing next to me just because she mentally thinks she's a guy. I hope you realize I'm not the only guy who would feel this way -- you're basically saying all people who are uncomfortable with the idea should be forced to accomodate. Fuck that.

Edit- the only solution i can think up is more refined porta-potties. Far more private for everyone and you don't have to listen to the guy in the next stall take a huge shit. You're lookin at a jail-cell sized room with a door and sink. They got a lot of these at the EN&T I go to when I have appointments with my audie.

If you don't feel comfortable with chick goes to men's bathroom... BUT what about Transmen who looks like a guy after surgery and you won't be able to tell which guy goes to men's bathroom... Do you look at guy's penis to see if it's been altered or not? If you do then you are GAY in your mind!!!!!!!!! TOUGH LUCK with your opinion! Be open mind with everyone! Stop being closed mind on Transgendered people! If you don't like it then SCRAM and Get LOST!!!!!!!

Sorry gotta vent my chest with Dark-halfwit who does not grasp the concept what transgendered about!

PuyoPiyo · 09-15-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWolves64

If you don't feel comfortable with chick goes to men's bathroom... BUT what about Transmen who looks like a guy after surgery and you won't be able to tell which guy goes to men's bathroom... Do you look at guy's penis to see if it's been altered or not? If you do then you are GAY in your mind!!!!!!!!! TOUGH LUCK with your opinion! Be open mind with everyone! Stop being closed mind on Transgendered people! If you don't like it then SCRAM and Get LOST!!!!!!!

Sorry gotta vent my chest with Dark-halfwit who does not grasp the concept what transgendered about!

Yupp I do peek at other men's penis while peeing when I was child. You are very right, people that are homophobia or transphobia are just scare of being open-minded.

And don't be sorry, you have right to express yourself

MetroGuy03 · 09-15-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark-Half

I'm trying to be nice about this when you're really getting on my nerves. The only reason you two are dragging this on is because you don't like my opinion and views, tough shit. Deal with it. It's hard knock logic and I just explained exactly why it happened to the person and posted my opinion on trans. My opinion on transgenders is completely irrelevant. How many times do I have to say this? I don't even need to write out my experinces with them just to validate an opinion. My ex has nothing to do with this, you claimed I never met one. I rebuked your statement because I have dated one for 2 years and have been friends afterwards. Let it go already and stop trying to play hero, you're not going to change my opinion.

That is your problem. I am not doing this just because I don't like your opinion or view. I am doing this to educate you and make sure you understand what transgenders are dealing with lately. If you have an issues with transgenders then you're not true friend to your ex. Your ex doesn't need to deal with people like you. By the way, I noticed that you kept changing your words recently. I don't think you're really honest here at all. Again, that is your problem period.

MetroGuy03 · 09-25-2007, 12:39 PM

Dark-Half,

Did the cat caught your tongue?

EvilGurl666 · 05-02-2008, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWolves64

If you don't feel comfortable with chick goes to men's bathroom... BUT what about Transmen who looks like a guy after surgery and you won't be able to tell which guy goes to men's bathroom... Do you look at guy's penis to see if it's been altered or not? If you do then you are GAY in your mind!!!!!!!!! TOUGH LUCK with your opinion! Be open mind with everyone! Stop being closed mind on Transgendered people! If you don't like it then SCRAM and Get LOST!!!!!!!

Sorry gotta vent my chest with Dark-halfwit who does not grasp the concept what transgendered about!

Jeez! COME ON! I can tell if somebody used to be a guy but dresses like a lady by the shape of their body, and face. Its not just based on their gential areas. Thats the most sickin' thing I've heard. I also agree on everything Darkhalf has said here. Why can't people be happy with their bodies, the ones they were born with? I would be screaming bloody murder if I saw a guy in the women's bathroom. It would seems like to me the guy is some rapist or somesort if hes in the ladies bathroom.

PuyoPiyo · 05-02-2008, 01:52 AM

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Jeez! COME ON! I can tell if somebody used to be a guy but dresses like a lady by the shape of their body, and face. Its not just based on their gential areas. Thats the most sickin' thing I've heard. I also agree on everything Darkhalf has said here. Why can't people be happy with their bodies, the ones they were born with? I would be screaming bloody murder if I saw a guy in the women's bathroom. It would seems like to me the guy is some rapist or somesort if hes in the ladies bathroom.

How about if I say, why not you just be happy with your hair? No need cuts, no need dye, no need shampoo, no need etc etc etc? Sounds mockish, ne?

EvilGurl666 · 05-02-2008, 02:06 AM

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How about if I say, why not you just be happy with your hair? No need cuts, no need dye, no need shampoo, no need etc etc etc? Sounds mockish, ne?

was I talking about hair? NO. Read it again.

PuyoPiyo · 05-02-2008, 07:07 PM

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was I talking about hair? NO. Read it again.

No you read my post again, I was only making a example.

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Dark-Half Amor fati Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Idaho. Posts: 852	I'm trying to be nice about this when you're really getting on my nerves. The only reason you two are dragging this on is because you don't like my opinion and views, tough shit. Deal with it. It's hard knock logic and I just explained exactly why it happened to the person and posted my opinion on trans. My opinion on transgenders is completely irrelevant. How many times do I have to say this? I don't even need to write out my experinces with them just to validate an opinion. My ex has nothing to do with this, you claimed I never met one. I rebuked your statement because I have dated one for 2 years and have been friends afterwards. Let it go already and stop trying to play hero, you're not going to change my opinion. __________________ The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think.

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