Homophobia / Gay as Choice - Page 2

06-30-2003, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by Steel
NNNNNNOOOOO! I'm saying that there are "good" people who would just respect you and accept who you are, and some "bad" people who refuse to accept who you are, and would still treat you like shit because you are gay and all...get it?

Ok thanks for clearing that up, Steel.

Tostitos · 06-30-2003, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by kuifje75
I feel that a lot of people miss this point.
I don't think that gay and lesbian people necessarily ask their straight friends or family to approve their lifestyles or to accept it. The only things that gay and lesbian people ask for are respect and non-judgement. Respect doesn't mean accepting something, but rather to "leave" the people alone and not harass them with your beliefs. We don't judge you for being straight, so why are we constantly judged for being gay/lesbian? That is where the word "homophobia" comes in.

I agree with you, but keep in mind that people often call straight people a homophobic. The term "homophobic" are being misused to degrade straight people.

06-30-2003, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by Justin Sane
God created rectum as output not input.

That can be directed to straight people who likes anal sex too.

Steel X · 06-30-2003, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by Justin Sane
God created rectum as output not input.

God would still accept people who are homosexual and God would understand because he loves them as he loves the straight people and he doesn't care that everyone is different anyway

(now i feel funny for being TOO mature...)

nozobo · 06-30-2003, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Steel
Well there was one guy I know at school who was gay...because that of his behavior...he doesn't dress gay, but he acts kind of girly and talks girly too so that's when my other friends told me that he is actually gay so i wasn't really surprised that he is anyway...so you know, if you are gay, you proably would act abit "girlish" or whatever, it's just part of your "culture" i guess so seriously, i have nothing against that...so...that's just how i notice when some ppl act alittle more than they should act you know?

Not all gay act girlish or anything... It's their life of what they show themselves... I just act normally and most people don't noticed unless they ask... U don't need to worry about one of ur friend being gay because he will just chat with u, etc that all but if he start to bother you and u can tell him to back off and don't do it anymore and he should and ought to respect you... I don't make any move on any strangers or anyone until I know them well and if they like same sexes then I'll go further than that but otherwise no and I prefer to respect everyone...

Justin Sane · 06-30-2003, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by kuifje75
That can be directed to straight people who likes anal sex too.

Yep, thats for straight people too. I find anal sex very disgusting.

Justin Sane · 06-30-2003, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by Steel
God would still accept people who are homosexual and God would understand because he loves them as he loves the straight people and he doesn't care that everyone is different anyway

(now i feel funny for being TOO mature...)

Yes God will accept them, but its still a sin.

Tostitos · 06-30-2003, 01:45 PM

"Jesus loves you"
John 3:16

That is a good verse that proves he loves us all no matter what. But Justin Sane was trying to say that people misuse the word "homophobic"

Lasza · 06-30-2003, 01:46 PM

They have right to expression their feeling about homophobia.

Homophobia cause increase more hate crimes and discrimation.

Really, gay and lesbian are HUMAN BEING. Same to hetrosexual.

Not only gay/lesbian have own choice about sex. Look at some religions for control people's sexuality life not their choice.

Steel X · 06-30-2003, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by Justin Sane
Yes God will accept them, but its still a sin.

so EVERYBODY does a sin...what you expect?

Fly Free · 06-30-2003, 01:47 PM

Kuifje is right -- some straight men DO enjoy anal sex TOO with their female partners by use of a dildo or the woman's fingers -- ive talked to quite a few open minded straight men and they have expressed to me even tho theyre not gay they DO enjoy anal sex and i dont see anything wrong with it -- its a personal matter and it doesnt mean EVERYBODY has to enjoy anal sex and it doesnt matter what ur orientation is

Justin Sane · 06-30-2003, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Lasza
They have right to expression their feeling about homophobia.

Homophobia cause increase more hate crimes and discrimation.

Really, gay and lesbian are HUMAN BEING. Same to hetrosexual.

Not only gay/lesbian have own choice about sex. Look at some religions for control people's sexuality life not their choice.

youre being hypocrite, calling other people homophobic is discriminating.

Justin Sane · 06-30-2003, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by Fly Free
Kuifje is right -- some straight men DO enjoy anal sex TOO with their female partners by use of a dildo or the woman's fingers -- ive talked to quite a few open minded straight men and they have expressed to me even tho theyre not gay they DO enjoy anal sex and i dont see anything wrong with it -- its a personal matter and it doesnt mean EVERYBODY has to enjoy anal sex and it doesnt matter what ur orientation is

So? I am still aganist anal sex anyway.

06-30-2003, 01:48 PM

I understand what Justin Sane is saying about the word homophobia.
That is what I meant in my posting, we don't ask for approval nor acceptance. We know that some people won't accept it. I wouldn't consider them to be homophobia. My point is when they openly say that gay people are disgusting and should be killed, etc... then they ARE homophobics.

Steel X · 06-30-2003, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by Fly Free
Kuifje is right -- some straight men DO enjoy anal sex TOO with their female partners by use of a dildo or the woman's fingers -- ive talked to quite a few open minded straight men and they have expressed to me even tho theyre not gay they DO enjoy anal sex and i dont see anything wrong with it -- its a personal matter and it doesnt mean EVERYBODY has to enjoy anal sex and it doesnt matter what ur orientation is

Yep i imagine doing anal sex with a hot chick someday...oooh that'll be just SWEET!

er, never mind...

Justin Sane · 06-30-2003, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by kuifje75
I understand what Justin Sane is saying about the word homophobia.
That is what I meant in my posting, we don't ask for approval nor acceptance. We know that some people won't accept it. I wouldn't consider them to be homophobia. My point is when they openly say that gay people are disgusting and should be killed, etc... then they ARE homophobics.

Homophobia = People who want to get rid of homosexuality culture with the force

But that is not for people who think that its disgusting, thats called opinion thats all.

06-30-2003, 01:56 PM

No, homophobia does not mean wanting to get rid of homosexuality culture. It means the fear of gay and lesbian people. If someone starts to act out on it, then it is bias crime.

It is same idea about black and white issue. someone may be a racist but not act out on it. When someone starts to act out on it, then it becomes a racial or bias crime.

Steel X · 06-30-2003, 01:57 PM

My girlfriend was black and I really love her

06-30-2003, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by Steel
My girlfriend was black and I really love her

Yes, I know, but I was just trying to make a comparison. I didn't say that you were racists too.

Justin Sane · 06-30-2003, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by kuifje75
No, homophobia does not mean wanting to get rid of homosexuality culture. It means the fear of gay and lesbian people. If you start to act out on it, then it is bias crime.

It is same idea about black and white issue. You may be a racist but not act out on it. When you start to act out on it, then it becomes a racial or bias crime.

youre still wrong, if you think thing is disgusting do you think that its a bad thing?

for example, if you think that people eating rat is disgusting, do that give you a right to degrade them? I dont think so.

Lasza · 06-30-2003, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by Justin Sane
youre being hypocrite, calling other people homophobic is discriminating.

hypocrite??? that's obiviously u missed something between gay/lesbian and straight in negative situations (insutling, hazing, violence) that really happen sometime. Let u go and see urself.

Not worry, some states will add laws for prevent discrimation on gay and lesbian in the future. especially gay marriage.

Justin Sane · 06-30-2003, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Lasza
hypocrite??? that's obiviously u missed something between gay/lesbian and straight in negative situations (insutling, hazing, violence) that really happen sometime. Let u go and see urself.

Not worry, some states will add laws for prevent discrimation on gay and lesbian in the future. especially gay marriage.

Come on, you call people homophobic even though you complained that people discrimate you.

go and look up in dictionary for hypocrite.

06-30-2003, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Justin Sane
youre still wrong, if you think thing is disgusting do you think that its a bad thing?

for example, if you think that people eating rat is disgusting, do that give you a right to degrade them? I dont think so.

I said that if you openly harrass people and say that it is disgusting, etc... then you are judging people. Of course, if I knew people ate rats, I might not be used to the idea, but I would respect them for what they want to eat. I wouldn't sit at the dinner table and tell them that they are disgusting for eating rats. It's pointless.

Justin Sane · 06-30-2003, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by kuifje75
I said that if you openly harrass people and say that it is disgusting, etc... then you are judging people. Of course, if I knew people ate rats, I might not be used to the idea, but I would respect them for what they want to eat. I wouldn't sit at the dinner table and tell them that they are disgusting for eating rats. It's pointless.

I find it funny that some people accuses me of being close-minded toward to gay culture. They are wrong, I am very open minded which I express my opinion all of the time.

Life is much easier if you living the truth.

06-30-2003, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Justin Sane
Come on, you call people homophobic even though you complained that people discrimate you.

go and look up in dictionary for hypocrite.

BINGO... the only reason we call people homophobes is when they unreasonably discriminate us. Homophobia is based on actions, not beliefs or opinions.

It's like if someone beats a person up, then he is called an abuser.

Justin Sane · 06-30-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by kuifje75
BINGO... the only reason we call people homophobes is when they unreasonably discriminate us. Homophobia is based on actions, not beliefs or opinions.

It's like if someone beats a person up, then he is called an abuser.

I am talking about lasza not generally.

06-30-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by Justin Sane
I find it funny that some people accuses me of being close-minded toward to gay culture. They are wrong, I am very open minded which I express my opinion all of the time.

Life is much easier if you living the truth.

Yes, I agree with you 100% that it is better to live with honesty and truth out in the open.

However...for example:

Person A: I am gay.
Person B: Ohhhh! Ewwww!
Person A: Huh?

or....

Person A: I am gay.
Person B: Oh ok. I may not agree with your lifestyle, but I respect you.
Person A: Ok.

Which is better? I think the first set is more judgmental. I think people need to use tact and say things without coming across as homophobes. I perfectly understand that people do not accept gay or lesbian lifestyle and that is fine with me. I wouldn't call them homophobes, unless they judged me and insulted me.

06-30-2003, 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Justin Sane

Life is much easier if you living the truth.

"You can't handle the truth!!!" that you're a homophobic bigot!

06-30-2003, 02:14 PM

Whoa Freaky. That was uncalled for.

Justin Sane · 06-30-2003, 02:16 PM

What I am saying, name calling is not necessary. Homophobia is considers as name calling. Sexist is more apporiate term to be definating those kind of people.

Why would you care if someone call you disgusting in first place?

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06-30-2003, 01:45 PM	#38 (permalink)
Tostitos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 146	"Jesus loves you" John 3:16 That is a good verse that proves he loves us all no matter what. But Justin Sane was trying to say that people misuse the word "homophobic"

06-30-2003, 01:46 PM	#39 (permalink)
Lasza Premium Lurker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mile High State Posts: 2,510	They have right to expression their feeling about homophobia. Homophobia cause increase more hate crimes and discrimation. Really, gay and lesbian are HUMAN BEING. Same to hetrosexual. Not only gay/lesbian have own choice about sex. Look at some religions for control people's sexuality life not their choice.

06-30-2003, 01:47 PM	#41 (permalink)
Fly Free Just me Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wherever i want to be LOL Posts: 9,101	Kuifje is right -- some straight men DO enjoy anal sex TOO with their female partners by use of a dildo or the woman's fingers -- ive talked to quite a few open minded straight men and they have expressed to me even tho theyre not gay they DO enjoy anal sex and i dont see anything wrong with it -- its a personal matter and it doesnt mean EVERYBODY has to enjoy anal sex and it doesnt matter what ur orientation is

06-30-2003, 01:48 PM	#44 (permalink)
kuifje75 Guest Posts: n/a	I understand what Justin Sane is saying about the word homophobia. That is what I meant in my posting, we don't ask for approval nor acceptance. We know that some people won't accept it. I wouldn't consider them to be homophobia. My point is when they openly say that gay people are disgusting and should be killed, etc... then they ARE homophobics.

06-30-2003, 01:56 PM	#47 (permalink)
kuifje75 Guest Posts: n/a	No, homophobia does not mean wanting to get rid of homosexuality culture. It means the fear of gay and lesbian people. If someone starts to act out on it, then it is bias crime. It is same idea about black and white issue. someone may be a racist but not act out on it. When someone starts to act out on it, then it becomes a racial or bias crime.

06-30-2003, 02:14 PM	#59 (permalink)
kuifje75 Guest Posts: n/a	Whoa Freaky. That was uncalled for.

06-30-2003, 02:16 PM	#60 (permalink)
Justin Sane Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 909	What I am saying, name calling is not necessary. Homophobia is considers as name calling. Sexist is more apporiate term to be definating those kind of people. Why would you care if someone call you disgusting in first place?