Florida's Gay Adoption ban upheld - Page 2

TweetyBird · 01-10-2005, 10:18 PM

oh geez! i cant believe abt that.. it make me piss off!!!

deafdyke · 01-11-2005, 12:49 AM

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She avoid the too common forster care nightmare of a child bouncing
between foster families, emancipating at age 18 without a family to call his own, and ending up homeless or in jail. Sharon provides a complete, individualized program for each child they place.

I gotta say, I think kids should be adopted......AND I think that care homes and orphanages should be an option too!
TTT, my uncles are adopting a little boy. Now had they not been allowed to adopt Christian would be living in poverty with a drug addicted mother who cannot care for him at all!

Kalista · 01-11-2005, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Magatsu

It is insane for you to say that. Some dads took care of their children two or three times better than some women. I am not gay but I would take care of my children much better than some men or even women. I believe you read several news about mothers who harm or murdered their children. Is it because of their maternity instinct?

Not all of men are bad... not all of women are bad... Like what Meg said, I wish that you have to stop lumping bad and good men/or women into one group.

Believe it or not, men does have maternity instinct. Buy some books that related to child(ren) development and read.

Yes, Look at bbnt He is a good Single Dad of three girls !! I have known some single Dad who are wonderful father to the children. Their ex wives are bitch and asshole. Ran another men for sex and self center. Some mothers did not think of the children.

We can't blame either Mother or Father being single. Their marriage did not work and try to be a good term for their children's sake. It has nothing to do with Michael Jackson's issue in this topic.

I know, two couple of gay Fathers are processing to adopt a child. They are waiting for their friend (woman) who is pregnancy from either of one man's sperm. They are looking forward a baby born in spring time.

Malfoyish · 01-11-2005, 08:23 AM

...let us focus on the main idea of this thread.

I personally think it's horrible. I know quite a few men who are wonderful fathers. Granted, the men I do know are straight, but sexual preference should NOT have any bearing on a man's ability to love, nurture and raise a child.

01-11-2005, 09:09 AM

Didnt Road Runner say that we all stick to topic here? There is no need to insert homophobia opinions here. Im not going to respond again and go off topic but stick to the thread. Please do the same, TTT.

Malfoyish · 01-11-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TTT

YOU GUYS are abusing me... yall keep locking up my thread....
I wouldn't want you guys to adopt kids, when you guys have no
compassion for me.

Won't even say goodbye to me in my BYE thread... without being rude.

TTT -

We HAVE had compassion for you. That's when you decided that it wasn't enough and then you proceeded in taking advantage of people's kindness. Whenever we give you advice and kindness, it just seems to send you onto another tirade. Look - you probably don't like me at all, and quite frankly, I don't give a shit. I am being blunt with you because we have TRIED sugar-coating things for you and it obviously does NOT work.

I have three kids. My kids have a mother and a father. However, like you said, there are children out there who ARE less fortunate and are orphans. It does NOT MATTER whether they are adopted by a heterosexual couple, or by two women or by two men or by a pack of wolves. Granted, the last one is the least likely to happen, but the point is this - as long as the child(ren) have a roof over their heads, clothes on their backs, food on the table, and people who love them, what the fuck is the big deal? I mean, really! Society is so fucked up these days...people are too focused on the "politically correct" way of doing things.

The problem is, we all have different opinions of what politically correct IS.

Oceanbreeze · 01-11-2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TTT

She improve life for kids in Los Angeles County's foster care system.
She own care homes and is one of the top foster family agencies.

At Care Homes, children are placed in quality, loving homes and receive
therapeutic services early in their stay.

She took in 120 children. She has 34 full time social workers.
State pays for children while in foster care, there is financial
incentive to keep them there.

She avoid the too common forster care nightmare of a child bouncing
between foster families, emancipating at age 18 without a family to call his own, and ending up homeless or in jail. Sharon provides a complete, individualized program for each child they place.

This includes on site tutoring, babysitting, mental health services and a therapeutic learning center.

That's all well and good, TTT. I applaud your cousin for providing quality foster care for children. However, foster care was meant to be temporary. What is really needed is, good permanent homes for these children. Most people are quite aware from the news we watch every night of the children who go through a "revolving door" once they hit the foster care system. Children are never placed in any one home for any real length of time. They are moved from place to place due to insufficient space. Also, getting kids adopted can sometimes be difficult. Many times, the kids are older or have been abused and neglected. It's very difficult to find families willing to take on a kid with so many issues.

This is why this ban infuriates me so much. Here you have people willing to provide permanent loving homes for these kids, and the state says they can't simply because they are gay. I'm sorry, but I have a real big problem with that!

DreamDeaf · 01-11-2005, 10:33 AM

TTT - You have a knack for pulling threads off-topic - please STAY on the topic for once. We have showed sympathy to you, and you threw it back into our faces. Then you said goodbye and you're still around. What gives?

Now - back to topic...

I am appalled about this - and am wondering how far along the Lambda Law is getting along on this...if I remember, this ban has been in effect for a while and was just made public.

I do know that we do have several gay friends in the StL area with children, and those children are so well adjusted - some even have bfs/gfs with the opposite sex, which puts to shame the belief that gay parents will beget gay children.

I do hope those in Florida will wake up and smell the landfill...for they will be the poorer of all - children without the love of parents, no matter what sex they are, will never know a happy childhood.

Oceanbreeze · 01-11-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

I don't like that idea about banning Gay couples from adopting children. The same time I am also wondering if a single mother who has a child from her ex becomes lesbian, Will Florida take that child away from her? I hope not.

It isn't so bad having gay couples adopting children, I am sure they would give their children the best care as possible. How would Florida know what best for a child? Have they tried letting Gay couple adopting children and see how they raise the child?

I really do not like the facts that People who has so much control can take your rights away from living in a dream of having children and get the same share of love that everyone has. I feel sorry for the gay couples, because they can never get that chance at happiness with having children.

I know Cheri. As for what you stated above. I wondered that, myself. I'm sure you are familiar with Rosie O'Donnell. She has four beautiful children; three of which are adopted. What's interesting to note here about her is, she maintains dual residency. She has a home in New York, and she has a home in Miami. When she adopted the first three kids, she did so in New York, and the adoptions are valid. Since then, she took in a foster child here in FL, and she was planning on adopting that child. However, FL doesn't allow gay adoptions to take place, so she had to relinquish the child. The child has since been adopted by another family.

She also has a fourth child now with her partner, whom they conceived via in vitro fertilization. What's interesting to note about this child is, since Rosie is NOT linked to the child biologically, she had to adopt that child as well.

Fly Free · 01-11-2005, 10:36 AM

as usual going off topic

at TTT

Ocean -- i so totally agree with u when u said this:

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This is why this ban infuriates me so much. Here you have people willing to provide permanent loving homes for these kids, and the state says they can't simply because they are gay. I'm sorry, but I have a real big problem with that!

it DOES also infuriate me -- they obviously hasnt done any true research on their own with regards to gay parents nor talked to the gay couples who wants to foster and adopt children

Oceanbreeze · 01-11-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Malfoyish

...let us focus on the main idea of this thread.

I personally think it's horrible. I know quite a few men who are wonderful fathers. Granted, the men I do know are straight, but sexual preference should NOT have any bearing on a man's ability to love, nurture and raise a child.

Especially, when you hear of so many tragic stories of biological parents killing their children. I know different topic, but it bears mentioning. This ban truly makes no sense to me, when in the light of the fact, you hear all these tragic stories of the parent not being able to cope with a crying baby, and they end up killing it.

I heard such a story on the news the other day, and it made me ill. A twenty-one year old fatally beat his two month old to death, because he couldn't get the child to stop crying. He ended up bashing the child's head against the kitchen counter and crushing it's skull.

So, I have to ask...Is this ban fair???? I think not!

TTT · 01-11-2005, 11:22 AM

I hope Gay people will stop being gay.

Why can't gay men be with women?
Why not try hard to be a good husband
and a good father to children.

And I wish lesbians be with men...
I wish they be good wife and be
good mother to children.

Can we all get along????

That what I am hoping for. I don't like all of that freak idea of
having children in gay homes... that is terrible.

That is all I am going to say.

Oceanbreeze · 01-11-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TTT

I hope Gay people will stop being gay.

Why can't gay men be with women?
Why not try hard to be a good husband
and a good father to children.

And I wish lesbians be with men...
I wish they be good wife and be
good mother to children.

Can we all get along????

That what I am hoping for. I don't like all of that freak idea of
having children in gay homes... that is terrible.

That is all I am going to say.

Because, there is such a thing as genetics. Being gay is not a choice. People are born with their sexual preference already pre-determined.

And, anyway, we're going off topic again. I concur with Fly Free. If you are so against gay adoption, why are you even bothering hanging around in this thread? We pretty much know where you stand, and you pretty much know where we stand. Why not just agree to disagree, and go visit another thread?

***LinuxGold*** · 01-11-2005, 11:58 AM

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Roadrunner · 01-12-2005, 03:45 PM

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TTT · 01-12-2005, 04:02 PM

that gay adoption will only make
more women have abortion.

Anti Abortion people tried to tell women
not to have abortion, and give their
unborn babies to adoption services.

So that the marriage couples, who
are childless, will give good homes
to adoption children.

Now this gay adoption is making things
worst. And I don't want women to abort their
babies because of this.

I saw on news about an unwanted fetus found
in the sewage. That is terrible.

Oceanbreeze · 01-12-2005, 04:07 PM

Apples and oranges, TTT.

How is it that allowing gay couples to adopt will increase the abortions in this country?

It won't, TTT. A woman has an abortion for her own reasons, and the gay adoption issue won't affect those decisions in any way shape or form.

TTT · 01-12-2005, 04:27 PM

I'll go see what the women said about this in the abortion chatroom on AOL.

01-12-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TTT

I'll go see what the women said about this in the abortion chatroom on AOL.

Since when do you see certified sane people in AOL chat rooms?

Cheri · 01-12-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Meg

Since when do you see certified sane people in AOL chat rooms?

I used to go to AOL Chat room.

Oceanbreeze · 01-12-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TTT

I'll go see what the women said about this in the abortion chatroom on AOL.

You can that if you want, TTT. I don't think it has anything to do with the ban on gay adoptions in Florida, but you're completely free to do that if you wish. But, keep in mind... This ban is only in effect in Florida. There are plenty of other states which allow gay adoptions to take place.

TTT · 01-12-2005, 04:37 PM

TTT: well, if a gay couple want to adopt your baby, will you let them or will you go ahead and have abortion anyway?
Gemikri: do she is such a brat
Sadiemis: wait, her daughter is a yorkie thats buried in the couch?
Do The Mumb: mine is too.
LL9350: oh how cute
Gemikri: TTT i would have the abortion anyways
Do The Mumb: I really wanted a chow chow
OnlineHost: Let It Snow 198 has entered the room.
OnlineHost: Octrevol has entered the room.
LL9350: Gem mine is too she is about a year but she is a Boxer mix
Octrevol: 19/f check my profile to watch me!
Gemikri: sadie LOL my dog just burried a pretzel in the couch an shes a yorkie
Katbird81: Queen...you are a pathetic excuse for a human. You are the quintensensial Christian. Sin , sin , sin and then make others suffer to pay for your own sins.
Octrevol: 19/f check my profile to watch me!
QueenEsther13: TTT I dont believe a gay couple, man or women should be able to adopt
OnlineHost: Suze111 has entered the room.

01-12-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TTT

TTT: well, if a gay couple want to adopt your baby, will you let them or will you go ahead and have abortion anyway?
Gemikri: do she is such a brat
Sadiemis: wait, her daughter is a yorkie thats buried in the couch?
Do The Mumb: mine is too.
LL9350: oh how cute
Gemikri: TTT i would have the abortion anyways
Do The Mumb: I really wanted a chow chow
OnlineHost: Let It Snow 198 has entered the room.
OnlineHost: Octrevol has entered the room.
LL9350: Gem mine is too she is about a year but she is a Boxer mix
Octrevol: 19/f check my profile to watch me!
Gemikri: sadie LOL my dog just burried a pretzel in the couch an shes a yorkie
Katbird81: Queen...you are a pathetic excuse for a human. You are the quintensensial Christian. Sin , sin , sin and then make others suffer to pay for your own sins.
Octrevol: 19/f check my profile to watch me!
QueenEsther13: TTT I dont believe a gay couple, man or women should be able to adopt
OnlineHost: Suze111 has entered the room.

Sheesh and you formed your opinion based on these nutcases?

Oceanbreeze · 01-12-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Meg

Sheesh and you formed your opinion based on these nutcases?

Meg...One person agreed, and one person said they would have the abortion, anyway.

Keep in mind, this was an abortion chat room having nothing to do with this topic whatsoever.

It's her opinion, though. So, we have to respect it.

TTT · 01-12-2005, 04:45 PM

born being a hater.

I learn hatred from AOL and the people around me.

There are Billion of people like that.

And AOL got million of nutcases, I guess you said.

Oceanbreeze · 01-12-2005, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TTT

born being a hater.

I learn hatred from AOL and the people around me.

There are Billion of people like that.

And AOL got million of nutcases, I guess you said.

Hatred is a choice, TTT. You choose to hate people. You're entitled to your opinions. You are, but I gotta tell ya, TTT. Sometimes, I wonder if you purposely say things just to get a reaction from us. Please stop. It doesn't solve anything, but get us all irritated at you, and get threads pulled. I asked you once before...If you really are so against gay adoptions, why do you continue posting? You know where most of stand, and we know where you stand.

Personally, this topic is extremely important to me, and I don't want to see the thread yanked again. So, please TTT. If you can't stick to the topic, or whatever, just don't post.

TTT · 01-12-2005, 04:58 PM

I went to the gay dragqueen event...

And I thought everybody is PRO GAY at Gallaudet.

after I attented that show... everybody
gossip and spread rumor about me...
Saying I might be gay. And one boy showing
prejudice against me.... I just wanted
him to serve me at the Bison Cafe....
but he wouldn't.
He walked away and allowed someone else to serve me.

I felt awful. I doesn't feel good to be open minded. So

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01-11-2005, 08:23 AM	#34 (permalink)
Malfoyish Keepin' it real... Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New York Posts: 2,656	...let us focus on the main idea of this thread. I personally think it's horrible. I know quite a few men who are wonderful fathers. Granted, the men I do know are straight, but sexual preference should NOT have any bearing on a man's ability to love, nurture and raise a child. Last edited by Roadrunner; 01-12-2005 at 03:23 PM. Reason: Unnecessary comment removed--

01-11-2005, 09:09 AM	#35 (permalink)
Gemtun Guest Posts: n/a	Didnt Road Runner say that we all stick to topic here? There is no need to insert homophobia opinions here. Im not going to respond again and go off topic but stick to the thread. Please do the same, TTT. Last edited by Meg; 01-11-2005 at 09:15 AM.

01-11-2005, 11:22 AM	#42 (permalink)
TTT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MISSISSIPPI Posts: 435	whatever I hope Gay people will stop being gay. Why can't gay men be with women? Why not try hard to be a good husband and a good father to children. And I wish lesbians be with men... I wish they be good wife and be good mother to children. Can we all get along???? That what I am hoping for. I don't like all of that freak idea of having children in gay homes... that is terrible. That is all I am going to say.

01-12-2005, 04:02 PM	#46 (permalink)
TTT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MISSISSIPPI Posts: 435	and I fear that gay adoption will only make more women have abortion. Anti Abortion people tried to tell women not to have abortion, and give their unborn babies to adoption services. So that the marriage couples, who are childless, will give good homes to adoption children. Now this gay adoption is making things worst. And I don't want women to abort their babies because of this. I saw on news about an unwanted fetus found in the sewage. That is terrible. Last edited by TTT; 01-12-2005 at 04:06 PM. Reason: errors

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01-11-2005, 10:33 AM	#38 (permalink)
DreamDeaf Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: In a messy studio Posts: 4,562	TTT - You have a knack for pulling threads off-topic - please STAY on the topic for once. We have showed sympathy to you, and you threw it back into our faces. Then you said goodbye and you're still around. What gives? Now - back to topic... I am appalled about this - and am wondering how far along the Lambda Law is getting along on this...if I remember, this ban has been in effect for a while and was just made public. I do know that we do have several gay friends in the StL area with children, and those children are so well adjusted - some even have bfs/gfs with the opposite sex, which puts to shame the belief that gay parents will beget gay children. I do hope those in Florida will wake up and smell the landfill...for they will be the poorer of all - children without the love of parents, no matter what sex they are, will never know a happy childhood.

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01-12-2005, 03:45 PM	#45 (permalink)
Roadrunner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,090	Mod Note: Thread went under a review, some posts were removed-- Members have indicated strong interest with continuing discussing the topic for which this thread relates to--therefore, thread is being re-opened for further discussions...PLEASE stick to the topic for which this thread is about!! AND respect the views expressed here by all members, if you feel you can't or stick to the topic here, don't be a part of this thread.... -Thank you!

01-12-2005, 04:07 PM	#47 (permalink)
Oceanbreeze I'm back :) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: S. FL Posts: 6,159	Apples and oranges, TTT. How is it that allowing gay couples to adopt will increase the abortions in this country? It won't, TTT. A woman has an abortion for her own reasons, and the gay adoption issue won't affect those decisions in any way shape or form.

01-12-2005, 04:27 PM	#48 (permalink)
TTT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MISSISSIPPI Posts: 435	ok I'll go see what the women said about this in the abortion chatroom on AOL.

01-12-2005, 04:37 PM	#52 (permalink)
TTT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MISSISSIPPI Posts: 435	copy and paste from abortion chatroom TTT: well, if a gay couple want to adopt your baby, will you let them or will you go ahead and have abortion anyway? Gemikri: do she is such a brat Sadiemis: wait, her daughter is a yorkie thats buried in the couch? Do The Mumb: mine is too. LL9350: oh how cute Gemikri: TTT i would have the abortion anyways Do The Mumb: I really wanted a chow chow OnlineHost: Let It Snow 198 has entered the room. OnlineHost: Octrevol has entered the room. LL9350: Gem mine is too she is about a year but she is a Boxer mix Octrevol: 19/f check my profile to watch me! Gemikri: sadie LOL my dog just burried a pretzel in the couch an shes a yorkie Katbird81: Queen...you are a pathetic excuse for a human. You are the quintensensial Christian. Sin , sin , sin and then make others suffer to pay for your own sins. Octrevol: 19/f check my profile to watch me! QueenEsther13: TTT I dont believe a gay couple, man or women should be able to adopt OnlineHost: Suze111 has entered the room.

01-12-2005, 04:45 PM	#55 (permalink)
TTT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MISSISSIPPI Posts: 435	I wasn't born being a hater. I learn hatred from AOL and the people around me. There are Billion of people like that. And AOL got million of nutcases, I guess you said.