Netflix CC-NO, Subtitles-YES

CrazyPaul · 01-24-2012, 10:58 AM

I want to say that since most of you talk about Netflix streaming with CC, it has no CC (Closed Captioned-white texts w/ blackground), PERIOD. Netflix adds its own subtitles (yellow texts w/ no background) to the movies one by one. Even though CC and subtitles are both called captioning, they are not the same at all. CC requires a decoder, subtitles don't.

What I think is that any one of you say CC like that, you are too lazy to type the word "subtitles".

**Banjo** · 01-24-2012, 12:44 PM

People just are not aware that there is a difference between closed captioning and subtitles. There is no need to call someone lazy for typing CC instead of subtitles.

ncmacasl · 01-24-2012, 05:45 PM

There are many sides to this. Some say Subtitles only for Foreign Films and CC for English-to-English. Some use CC to refer to any subtitles for the deaf. Some say CC is only for TVs with decoder chip, all else is subtitles. Others say CC for anytime the words are optional and subtitles when they are "burned in" like foreign films or Open Captioned (OC).

**Banjo** · 01-24-2012, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ncmacasl

There are many sides to this. Some say Subtitles only for Foreign Films and CC for English-to-English. Some use CC to refer to any subtitles for the deaf. Some say CC is only for TVs with decoder chip, all else is subtitles. Others say CC for anytime the words are optional and subtitles when they are "burned in" like foreign films or Open Captioned (OC).

The subtitles made for the deaf and hard of hearing are referred to as SDH.

CrazyPaul · 01-24-2012, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

People just are not aware that there is a difference between closed captioning and subtitles. There is no need to call someone lazy for typing CC instead of subtitles.

When will they learn about the difference if I didn't post it?

**Banjo** · 01-24-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

When will they learn about the difference if I didn't post it?

You can post whatever you want to, but accusing them of this and that isn't going to spread the awareness.

**Foxrac** · 01-25-2012, 09:09 AM

I smell ignorant.

CC does not have to be black background with white fonts so it can be any styles. I can set any styles for CC on my HD DVR.

CC and subtitles are close relative but only difference is subtitle doesn't have audio descriptive, however many BD movies labeled SDH (look at Banjo's post) that include subtitle with audio descriptive.

CC and subtitles do not have criteria to set the styles like background and fonts.

CrazyPaul · 01-25-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I smell ignorant.

CC does not have to be black background with white fonts so it can be any styles. I can set any styles for CC on my HD DVR.

CC and subtitles are close relative but only difference is subtitle doesn't have audio descriptive, however many BD movies labeled SDH (look at Banjo's post) that include subtitle with audio descriptive.

CC and subtitles do not have criteria to set the styles like background and fonts.

Obviously you can't read the topic. You talked about your HD DVR while the topic is related to Netflix. Can you change CC's styles on Netflix streaming? NO! Because it has no CC, shit.

PowerON · 01-25-2012, 11:21 AM

From what I seen that Netflix on iOS, it appear to have excellent drop-shadow on text. On Wii, I find it lack when there is bright area that make difficult to read subtitle. That's so far, I know of.

CrazyPaul · 01-25-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

You can post whatever you want to, but accusing them of this and that isn't going to spread the awareness.

I am sick and tired of seeing a few topics like "Bluray That HAS CC for netflix" and "Any Way to get CC with BLue Ray/Netflix Streaming?". They should have typed "subtitles" instead of CC. It's time for them to know better than that.

radioman · 01-25-2012, 11:31 AM

look - you have a point about the differences and how its done. Bottom line is who cares - it got words on the screen to read along the script so we can understand the content of said videos.

perhaps we need a more user friendly terms? just captioned?

**Daredevel7** · 01-25-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Obviously you can't read the topic. You talked about your HD DVR while the topic is related to Netflix. Can you change CC's styles on Netflix streaming? NO! Because it has no CC, shit.

You're a lovely awareness promoter.

**Daredevel7** · 01-25-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

I am sick and tired of seeing a few topics like "Bluray That HAS CC for netflix" and "Any Way to get CC with BLue Ray/Netflix Streaming?". They should have typed "subtitles" instead of CC. It's time for them to know better than that.

Not sure if you are aware, but when you play an older DVD with CC on BluRay, CC doesn't show up due to HDMI, assuming you connected the BluRay to the TV via HDMI. Perhaps that's what they are asking in regards to CC and BluRay?

And if you ask anywhere online (outside of AD) "Any way to get subtitles on BlueRay/Netflix??" 99.9% of the time, they will assume foreign subtitles. And if you say English subtitles, they will assume you're watching a foreign movie. So you have to waste so much time explaining to people what you meant and they won't even know the answer. If you say CC, it will, at least, spark those who have SOME deaf technology knowledge. Has that even occurred to you?

CrazyPaul · 01-25-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

From what I seen that Netflix on iOS, it appear to have excellent drop-shadow on text. On Wii, I find it lack when there is bright area that make difficult to read subtitle. That's so far, I know of.

I am curious to know what you think about the 3-lines subtitles on Netflix streaming compared to the 2-lines subtitles on DVDs or BDs. Doesn't it look weird to you?

CrazyPaul · 01-25-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by radioman

look - you have a point about the differences and how its done. Bottom line is who cares - it got words on the screen to read along the script so we can understand the content of said videos.

perhaps we need a more user friendly terms? just captioned?

Come on now, you can say subtitles. It's not that hard.

CrazyPaul · 01-25-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Not sure if you are aware, but when you play an older DVD with CC on BluRay, CC doesn't show up due to HDMI, assuming you connected the BluRay to the TV via HDMI. Perhaps that's what they are asking in regards to CC and BluRay?

And if you ask anywhere online (outside of AD) "Any way to get subtitles on BlueRay/Netflix??" 99.9% of the time, they will assume foreign subtitles. And if you say English subtitles, they will assume you're watching a foreign movie. So you have to waste so much time explaining to people what you meant and they won't even know the answer. If you say CC, it will, at least, spark those who have SOME deaf technology knowledge. Has that even occurred to you?

I understand that's a hard habit to break. If they can't help it, so be it.

**Foxrac** · 01-25-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Obviously you can't read the topic. You talked about your HD DVR while the topic is related to Netflix. Can you change CC's styles on Netflix streaming? NO! Because it has no CC, shit.

LOL, you must be misunderstood.

I'm explain about close relative on between CC and subtitles.

There are no criteria on styling and subtitles can be customized as CC does.

If Netflix includes audio descriptive so it is officially labeled as CC or SDH.

If you are not happy with CC on Netflix so time for you to quit membership.

**Daredevel7** · 01-25-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

If you are not happy with CC on Netflix so time for you to quit membership.

He's just not happy with people calling SDH "CC". They both are technically different (but same purpose), so he wants us to be "aware" that SDH and CC are different things. Apparently, he is promoting awareness by calling everyone lazy.

CrazyPaul · 01-25-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Not sure if you are aware, but when you play an older DVD with CC on BluRay, CC doesn't show up due to HDMI, assuming you connected the BluRay to the TV via HDMI. Perhaps that's what they are asking in regards to CC and BluRay?

No, that thread was about Netflix streaming through a BD player.

CrazyPaul · 01-25-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

LOL, you must be misunderstood.

I'm explain about close relative on between CC and subtitles.

There are no criteria on styling and subtitles can be customized as CC does.

If Netflix includes audio descriptive so it is officially labeled as CC or SDH.

If you are not happy with CC on Netflix so time for you to quit membership.

Oh no, you said CC on Netflix. WRONG! Why can't you just say "subtitles on Netflix" or "SDH on Netflix"? Oh yeah, I will cancel it before the free trial expires next week.

**Foxrac** · 01-25-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

He's just not happy with people calling SDH "CC". They both are technically different (but same purpose), so he wants us to be "aware" that SDH and CC are different things. Apparently, he is promoting awareness by calling everyone lazy.

Yup, this person is just ignorant so we can't fix it.

Let him says whatever he wants.

**Foxrac** · 01-25-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Oh no, you said CC on Netflix. WRONG! Why can't you just say "subtitles on Netflix"?

No, I'm not wrong.

Netflix referred English [CC] under subtitle button.

Subtitle + audio descriptive = CC/SDH

Period.

CrazyPaul · 01-25-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

No, I'm not wrong.

Netflix referred English [CC] under subtitle button.

Subtitle + audio descriptive = CC/SDH

Period.

Yes, I notice that but Netflix knows no shit about what CC is. I posted somewhere about Neflix's announcement about subtitles, not CC. I bet a captioning programmer for Netflix doesn't know the difference. If it says CC, then where the hell is a CC official logo?

PowerON · 01-25-2012, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

I am curious to know what you think about the 3-lines subtitles on Netflix streaming compared to the 2-lines subtitles on DVDs or BDs. Doesn't it look weird to you?

It's weird to see 3-line CC.

CrazyPaul · 01-25-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

It's weird to see 3-line CC.

Are you playing around with me? CC? You mean subtitles or SDH. Don't you?

PowerON · 01-25-2012, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Are you playing around with me? CC? You mean subtitles or SDH. Don't you?

I'm usually to see 2-line caption. I can see there are CC and subtitle on Netflix. But I didn't ever think by see different. When I see "CC".

"Oh! I must to see what sound on background!"

Yes, I want to play with your pony.

**Daredevel7** · 01-25-2012, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Are you playing around with me? CC? You mean subtitles or SDH. Don't you?

Stop calling it subtitles. It is "subtitles for the Deaf or Hard of Hearing". English subtitles do not have the descriptive audio. Get it right!! Stop being so damn lazy and just say "subtitles for the Deaf or Hard of Hearing". It's not that hard!!!

Lily7 · 01-25-2012, 02:49 PM

BOY, I sure wish *I* had the kind of life where I had nothing better to do than go on a deaf forum and pick on people about using the wrong terminology for words on a screen.

**Banjo** · 01-25-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lily7

BOY, I sure wish *I* had the kind of life where I had nothing better to do than go on a deaf forum and pick on people about using the wrong terminology for words on a screen.

Why are you so lazy? You shouldn't use emoticons to describe your feelings, you should write them in a detailed manner.

Dammit!

*I'm just joking around with you*

CrazyPaul · 01-25-2012, 08:54 PM

http://blog.netflix.com/2011/02/30-o...ntent-has.html Please help me find where it says CC. I know I am a pain in the ass but I am trying to prove my point.

01-24-2012, 10:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
CrazyPaul Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,976	Netflix CC-NO, Subtitles-YES I want to say that since most of you talk about Netflix streaming with CC, it has no CC (Closed Captioned-white texts w/ blackground), PERIOD. Netflix adds its own subtitles (yellow texts w/ no background) to the movies one by one. Even though CC and subtitles are both called captioning, they are not the same at all. CC requires a decoder, subtitles don't. What I think is that any one of you say CC like that, you are too lazy to type the word "subtitles". Last edited by CrazyPaul; 01-24-2012 at 12:26 PM.

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Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	People just are not aware that there is a difference between closed captioning and subtitles. There is no need to call someone lazy for typing CC instead of subtitles. VacationGuy234 and stephaniep21 like this.

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radioman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the good ole USA ! Posts: 2,551	look - you have a point about the differences and how its done. Bottom line is who cares - it got words on the screen to read along the script so we can understand the content of said videos. perhaps we need a more user friendly terms? just captioned?

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CrazyPaul Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,976	http://blog.netflix.com/2011/02/30-o...ntent-has.html Please help me find where it says CC. I know I am a pain in the ass but I am trying to prove my point.

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