Etoile

You're never going to win this one, dude, because nobody cares as much as you do.

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CrazyPaul

Oh, well, I will try to explain it better this time.

When you tell any deafie who hasn't joined Netflix that it has CC, then he/she's thinking " Oh, great, my TV has a built-in CC decoder as well as Netflix app so no problem for me, I want to join in".

After the person joins in, then finds out CC is not working while watching a streaming movie from Netflix, even TV's CC is turned on. He/she wonders why you say Netflix has CC. Eventually the person asks you again about CC, you would say "Oh, I mean subtitles". That's called misinformation. That's not right to misinform deafies like that before they join Netflix. When they hear or see "CC", they think it means a CC decoder is required. Hope you understand what I mean. I guess maybe I care too much.

Daredevel7

So.. you're saying... there are deaf people out there who join Netflix only to find out that they have subtitles, but not CC, and... get upset about it? Why? They prefer the black background? Or does anyone actually go out and buy a CC decoder for TV?

I must be missing something...

TXgolfer

Read the whole thread. NM

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Daredevel7

No, I don't think that's it. He said to differentiate between CC and SDH. CC and SDH are the same thing when it comes to the context, which includes the descriptive audio. In my experience, it's actually quite rare to see English subtitles that did not have descriptive audio if it's an English movie. If they did have it, they also had SDH.

Also, CC doesn't ALWAYS show the descriptive audio...

Daredevel7

Sorry.. I already quoted your blunder.. it's stuck in the internet.. FOREVER...

TXgolfer

True....and I edited as I had only read page 2 before my post.

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TXgolfer

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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Jiro

why doesn't this video have CC? WHERE'S THE CC, YOU INCONSIDERATE [BLEEP]!!!!!

I'm ddddeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaffffffffffff!!!!

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naisho

I personally can picture you saying this FOREVERRR!
Thanks for a nice flashback.

Daredevel7

Youtube doesn't have CC, it has subtitles, you lazy bum. Get out of my sight.

CrazyPaul

Oh, ok, I am sorry for not clarifying again. I am sure that you are aware that MOST TVs have neflix app but subtitles button is not there. That's the problem. I am trying to explain one more time.

EX: Tom has a TV which includes Netflix app and a built-in CC decoder. And he doesn't know much about Netflix himself. Then he hears someone says Netflix has CC. So he joins it and finds that CC is not working and unfortunately there's no subtitles button available in Netflix menu on TV.

It can confuse deafies who are not familiar with Netflix. I hope that's clear enough. I know that someone who says it uses "CC" as a shortcut but actually that's misinformation. CC is closed captioning, not subtitles or SDH. People think I am picky, oh, well. I think I better stop commenting on it after this.

BTW, Netflix announced that they are working with many manufacturers regarding the subtitles button for TVs and BD players in the near future. I am not sure about TIVO HD DVR's Netflix app. (I love TIVO but I can't afford it.)

Beowulf

What took those clowns so long?

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CrazyPaul

Don't ask me, ask the company. LOL Hopefully more manufacturers will make a deal with Netflix soon. But when it happens, will some deaf customers be able to afford another one (TV or BD player)?

As for me, I am not interested because I don't like its 3-lines SDH and also no new releases on streaming, sadly. That's why the monthly fee is much cheaper than VOD (Video On Demand's average cost for each rental movie is $5.99 and it offers new releases on time and almost all of the movies are closed captioned.)

Beowulf

About a year ago I had a trial membership of Netflix and was FURIOUS there were no captions. I had to watch foreign films and a lot of King Fu flicks, much to the consternation of my friends. I finally cancelled the membership. A couple weeks ago, though, I decided I needed to work out my lungs with karate yells, so I renewed my membership. I was surprised to see the vast majority of films having subtitles available. Last night I watched Star Trek for the first time and thoroughly enjoyed it. I refuse to watch a movie with no captioning or subtitles, as everyone around me are jolly well aware of.

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CrazyPaul

Yeah, remember time changes so do things. It's getting better than before. Also FCC now recognizes our equal rights. I am glad to hear that you enjoy it. I assume that 3-lines SDH doesn't bother you at all.

Beowulf

Nope. I just wish that ALL movie theaters have captioning. It gets to be a drag turning down invitations to movies, but I yam what I yam.

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CrazyPaul

I know what you mean. Of course we want all movies to be captioned. CV/OC movies are mainly box-office hits, not low-budget ones but it's better than nothing. However I just wait patiently for new releases on DVD/BD since I prefer to watch them on my 55" TV at home comfortably. That's just me.

Daredevel7

But see.... that's not really a "CC vs subtitles" thing, that's more of a "Not ALL netflix versions (Wii, TV app, BluRay app, etc) have the subtitle option." thing. I heard that Netflix online streaming had subtitles, so I was like yay! and subscribed to the online streaming. I found out that I can't get subtitles through the Netflix on my BluRay player. I can only watch movies through my laptop which had the subtitle option. Luckily, I had a Wii also, and saw that they DID put the subtitle option for Netflix through Wii.

Now, if someone told me "Netflix has CC" instead of subtitles, I still would have the same problem, so it makes no difference to me whether it's subtitles or CC.

RonJaxon

Wirelessly posted

The two terms "started out" from two different things. Closed captioning was originally a term that means providing visual text dialog for the hearing impaired (forgive the term). Where subtitles where originally made for providing visual text dialog in other languages.

Basically:
CC = Deaf/HOH
Subtitles = language translation

The terms aren't so embedded in those original meanings anymore. CC does not always have a black background. That's not what makes it CC. Subtitles can have that black background too. It all depends on the feature of the software or hardware that's providing the video. For example some DVDs has the feature of turning this back ba kground on as well as some digital video players and software (such as VLC Player in a computer). Hulu.com also allows you to turn this on and off.

Today the two terms basically mean the same thing. They are both used for providing for deaf/HOH and translating language.

I wouldn't worry about what it's called at all. I only worry if it's available or not.