Banjo

This sort of argument doesn't really hold water if they have never done it in the past. Can you think of any theatres where all of the movies were open captioned in all showings? Did they ever do this? They cannot use this argument if it they haven't conducted a study to find the results.

Besides, you know what's ironic about the argument? The fact that the majority of closed captioning users are hearing. Just go in any sports bars, you'll see that a lot of their TVs are closed captioned, it's the same with gyms. You don't see people throwing a fit over a football game being closed captioned.

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Banjo

We have Open Captioning (OC), Rear Window Captioning (RWC), CV (CaptView) and now this subtitle glasses. It's like a glass bottle of soda. It tastes better than drinking it out of a aluminium can or plastic bottle. The old way is still the best.

DeafBadger

I've never used any of these captioning methods in the theater. I live in a a semi-rural area, so.. I guess I've just learned to live without it.

From a logical point of view, you have a point. It is not a logical argument to make to say that open captioning every movie might turn off most hearing customers to the point that the theaters close their doors.

What I'm trying to point out is what they (the theaters) are probably thinking. They are business owners, and most (perhaps 98%?) of their customers are going to be hearies. They are probably afraid of killing their business.

Still, this can be tested. A theater could designate one "movie room" as open-caption only and show several different movies there. Then they could advertise that and see how much business they get for that room. They would probably get a mix of of hearing and deaf. Would it be enough to sustain the theater? One room can be measured, while they don't risk the revenue from the other rooms while they are testing this.

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Secretblend

One flaw, they still can choose to go to one that doesn't have open caption. In order to fully test that, they would need to make all of them OC for few weeks and see how they react.

walrus

the topic acutally.....sounds....awesome I give it a gold star

sequoias

I think they are assuming that they would lose business if they run it on captioning on the screen. Why don't they try doing an experiment and see the before and after results, loss or no change in attraction. Sometimes people assume things wrong.

Banjo

Bingo. We won't know what would happen until they do it on a nationwide scale at the same time. Say, during the Hearing Awareness Month and see what happens.

sequoias

Yeah, agreed. I would like that kind of experiment. It doesn't hurt to try to see the actual results. No one can read their minds, you know. Like for example, Apple thought that iPad wouldn't be successful. Bam, it was successful and exceed their expections. I think it has to do with their past experience with the Newton palm device from the 90's that was not successful.

whatdidyousay!

I know it not going to kill hearing people to watch a movie with CC for 2 hours or more! People go to foreign movies that have subtitles , what is the difference between people using subtitles to understand what being said and deaf and hoh people using CC to do the same!! That is doubt standard to me!

sequoias

Agreed. I saw hearing people watch foreign movies with English subtitles on it and they didn't complain about it.

whatdidyousay!

OOPS I had a double post!

whatdidyousay!

And people will pay a lot of money to see a good foreign movie that they have to read!
And having to wearing special glasses will mean everyone know you're HOH or deaf
and some people do not want other people know that.

jillio

Okay...here is where your argument looses steam. Theaters are providing a service to the public. They are mandated under Federal law to make that service available to ALL. If hearing people can take advantage of the service, then they are madated to insure that the Deaf can as well. If people who can walk into the theater can take advantage of the services, then people who use wheelchairs must be granted access as well. The only reason that they don't have consistent captioning is because no one has bother to invoke the law. This isn't about what is most convenient for the theater owner or what might annoy the hearies. It is about equal access. Allowing someone to purchase a ticket and enter the theater is not equal access. They must be provided the means to take advantage of the service once they have been admitted.

posts from hell

The jokes doubled up on you then. First being the paying for the drink.

sequoias

Very true about that! Where I am going to put that drink? Hahaha Technology FAIL!

Banjo

Thankfully I stopped paying at the snack bar years ago. Either I got them for free or smuggled them in.

CrazyPaul

Oh, yeah, OC is the best way for many of us. However I would like to try the new glasses to see how I like it. Are they for sale or free when available? If they are for sale, would IRS allow them to be a tax write-off as a medical expense? Can they be used anywhere or only where subtitles are available?

Emmer

I do wish they would put captions on movies in the theatre. I have gone to an opera once and it had subtitles and I enjoyed it SO much more than any musical or play I've ever gone to before. I knew what was going on!

I wonder how long until they come up with a voice recognition device that would use a microphone to pick up speech and then make that into captions? I would use that for sure. Or do they already have that with the Dragon Speaking on the iPods? Maybe a little better technology is needed for it to recognize multiple speakers (as you usually have to "train" the computer to understand your own voice).

Emmer

I do wish they would put captions on movies in the theatre. I have gone to an opera once and it had subtitles and I enjoyed it SO much more than any musical or play I've ever gone to before. I knew what was going on!

I wonder how long until they come up with a voice recognition device that would use a microphone to pick up speech and then make that into captions? I would use that for sure. Or do they already have that with the Dragon Speaking on the iPods? Maybe a little better technology is needed for it to recognize multiple speakers (as you usually have to "train" the computer to understand your own voice).

whatdidyousay!

I tried that once and I was not allowed to bring my food in! I did get away with bringing my food other times. I stopped going to movies,I refused to pay $12 to go to a movie and not be able know what is being said!!

CrazyPaul

I guess you are behind on the news. YouTube already has the technogoly that translates voices into texts. Even Android smartphones have that and there are GPS devices that respond to voices. However, none of these are completely accurate and make mistakes sometimes. My friend said that it would take 10 more years to perfect it. You mentioned about training the computer to recognize your voice like in the sci-fi movies "Back to the Future" or "Judge Dredd", that can happen like telling a door to open or your TV to turn on but it will not happen until the future after we die.

Banjo

That's why they call it smuggling.

CrazyPaul

There is one nice guy reviewing this new device to watch Captain America in Seattle recently. Here is the link: Deafcube | Blog | USL

One thing I don't like is that his personal information was required to be written down before they lent the glasses to him. He said he could see other deafies' personal information there on the list.

That's unacceptable to me since hearies don't do that which is not fair. I understand that it is to prevent theft but we could leave our driver licenses with a manager instead so that way other deafies don't know where I live, etc which is my privacy right.

BTW, his result is that he still prefers OC. I hope we will still be able to continue watching movies w/ OC in the future. In other words, hopefully they don't stop making OC because of this stupid new tech.

Banjo

This is something I do have a problem with. The fact that they often require at least a driver's license or a personal ID to hold on while you use their devices, that's just wrong. I cannot leave my personal ID with anyone due to the risk of identity theft. The deaf people are often given more to deal with than the average Joe these days.

whatdidyousay!

We use to do that when going to drive in movie , we try to hide the kids in back seat of the car and get them in for free!

CrazyPaul

Well, when you use a company's property, what can it do to prevent you from stealing it? It can ask for your credit card number in case like a rental car company. However many deaf people who live on SSI don't have a credit card, then can you tell me how the theater manager make sure that its property would be returned after they are done with it? A business is a business. If I own a movie theater, I would ask for their driver licenses when they use my property so that way they can't take it home. Would you rather leave your personal info on the list where other deafies can see? As for me, I prefer to watch OC movies so I don't have to give my personal info to them. Anyway what about RWC or CV? I bet it requires the personal info as well in order to "borrow" the equipment.

Banjo

That's different, a car rental company follow a different protocol than a movie theatre. At the movie theatres, the staff is often made up of teenagers and people with no experience in handling personal information. A car rental company on the other hand has plenty of experience in doing so and they often understand the consequences of identity theft.

Yes, they do require personal information. At least that's what I recall from the last time I used the RWC display. This is another reason why I prefer open captioning to any sort of captioning device. The deaf shouldn't have to put up with the hassles of providing personal information and risk having their identity stolen.

CrazyPaul

I know what the **** you are talking about. That's so stupid that we have to do this and that because we are deaf. Lets hope OC will never be obsolete because it's still a champ.

whatdidyousay!

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There some movies theaters that only show foreign movies ! We one have in Boston called Orson Welles Theater and they ran a lot of foreign movies there and I loved to go there when I lived in Boston. I believe the place it still open .I would go with my sister and brother in law and they both are hearing and so where a lot of other people there! I don't hearing people are going to dies from watching a movie with CC! If anything should mandatory is should be movie theaters having CC for the deaf and hoh person . Our money is just a good as hearing people money!

whatdidyousay!

I tried the head phones the theater has dear or hoh people I did not have to show any ID . The head phones where useless as I have trouble 'understanding'
what being said. I need to read what being said... Hearing people do not understand this! If I tell someone I did not understand a word they will yell it to me!! Or repeat the whole sentence all over again!!