Originally Posted by GrendelQ

My daughter's teachers (at a bi-bi school with several acoustic access classes for the CI/HA/CODAs) tend to use sim-comm with parents or visitors to the school, so any all-ASL or all-spoken English participants (even if just in the vicinity) are included in the conversation -- but they DON'T use it with the students in the classroom for the reasons others have stated: they don't want either language to be taught incorrectly at this critical learning stage.

It's great for me, receptively, bc I use it to expand knowledge of ASL vocabulary even if the grammar is off. And everything doesn't have to be repeated twice over (or worse, parts of the conversation skipped) for one language or the other.

I'm pretty much amazed at how fluidly they do it -- but even so, the level of discourse suffers, it's only OK if you keep it on a really basic level. For me, speaking English and signing ASL simultaneously would be like speaking English and writing Mandarin at the same time -- wouldn't happen.

The interpreters at the school (who are heroic) shift quickly between the two languages -- may seem like simcom, but if you look closely, you'll see that they are using both English and ASL grammar -- depending upon which way they are translating, and the overlap of gestures/vocals is very slight.

Originally Posted by JennyB

Right, but remember for Lisa, we aren't talking about her language aquisition suffering or there being a language delay. She already HAS language. I agree, don't use SimCom with little kids, but a student in her 20's in University who is looking for a way to access her classes.

Originally Posted by EyesBlueDeaf

example of SimCom

mouth movement (with or without voice) Are you going to New York?
sign YOU GO NEW YORK?

Originally Posted by CJB

I was under the impression sim-com often compromises both English and ASL grammar since most people don't have the mental coordination to think in two separate grammars. So someone would either sign PSE "Are you going to NY?" or would voice/mouth "You go to New York?"

Originally Posted by JennyB

It depends on the person. When I am using SimCom I tend to leave out function words in the signs but mostly use English word order.

So mouth "Are you going to NY?" and sign "You going NY?"

The point is understanding. I the communication is clear, understandable, and effective for all involved that is how it should be.

Originally Posted by CJB

I can either sign ASL with no voice or sign English order PSE with voice, but I can't voice English order and sign ASL order! Anyone who can do that impresses me.

Originally Posted by evil_queen_lisa

Yup, like Jenny said, the question for me is how to access classes. I'm no where near fluent in ASL, don't know PSE, and my first language is English. I can speechread pretty well, but it's impossible in a lecture and exhausting getting what I can. I have given up on the idea of Sim-Comm for this year, but next year I am going to push for either Sim-Comm or CART, and not let them give me any less!!!
Thanks,
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Originally Posted by Reba

Have you ever had success using an oral transliterator?

Another option could be sign-supported speech.

Originally Posted by evil_queen_lisa

what would be the difference between those and sim-comm?
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Originally Posted by evil_queen_lisa

what would be the difference between those and sim-comm?
*EQL*

Originally Posted by JennyB

Oral transliterator basically mouths all of the words, without signing. I have used them before and it is painful! Your eyes will want to commit suicide after a few minutes. Especially if you are using your FM too because listening to the prof and then watching the mouthing that happens with a few second delay you will be hard.

Originally Posted by CJB

Is the idea behind this that even as the professor moves around you maintain a good view in order to be able to lipread what's being said?

Originally Posted by CJB

Is the idea behind this that even as the professor moves around you maintain a good view in order to be able to lipread what's being said?

Originally Posted by JennyB

Oral transliterator basically mouths all of the words, without signing. I have used them before and it is painful! Your eyes will want to commit suicide after a few minutes. Especially if you are using your FM too because listening to the prof and then watching the mouthing that happens with a few second delay you will be hard.

Originally Posted by JennyB

Sign Supported Speech is more like what I was doing, but my understanding is that it is SEE with mouthing. It is tedious and I can't sustain it for more than a few minutes without intense thought

Originally Posted by evil_queen_lisa

so should i be asking for sign supported speech or Sim-Comm?
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Originally Posted by JennyB

Really, what I would do, is ask to be there with your accessibility services person and interview interpreters. Sitdown, have a conversation with them and see what works.

Originally Posted by evil_queen_lisa

hmmm... i never even thought of that. Good idea! I will be here for the summer too, so i will be around to do that!

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Originally Posted by JennyB

You'll quickly figure out who works for you and who doesn't.

Originally Posted by evil_queen_lisa

haha, in your case literally who is going to work for you and who gets fired!!! lol
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Originally Posted by Reba

It's also helpful in case the professor has a beard, mumbles, speaks with an accent, etc.