Blu-ray

mandi · 03-11-2009, 10:21 PM

Just wondering.... I got blu-ray dvd player, ummm here is my question... why is the movies only playing the ones that has subtitles available on dvde but not the one through TV?? Did I do something wrong??? I tried to figure this out but could not.... Any suggestion???

JClarke · 03-11-2009, 11:42 PM

These subtitles are implemented in the Blu Rau Disc, and they are transmitted via HDMI cable. Just for your information, they dont support Closed Captions unfortunately, only SDH (Subtitles for the Deaf and Hearing Impaired)

darkage · 03-12-2009, 09:37 AM

You should ask salesperson that you want to see demo before you buy Blu-Ray player. You can get refund $$$ (blu-ray player) but no refund any Movie Blu-Ray disc.

About two years ago, I explained them that we do not like subtitle at all. They were happy to set up regular CC instead subtitle. We learned that Blu-Ray player and movie does not show CC. We learned that HDMI cable does not support CC. Just Supervideo and some Component cable (Red, Green and Blue) support CC.

Banjo · 03-12-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by darkage

You should ask salesperson that you want to see demo before you buy Blu-Ray player. You can get refund $$$ (blu-ray player) but no refund any Movie Blu-Ray disc.

About two years ago, I explained them that we do not like subtitle at all. They were happy to set up regular CC instead subtitle. We learned that Blu-Ray player and movie does not show CC. We learned that HDMI cable does not support CC. Just Supervideo and some Component cable (Red, Green and Blue) support CC.

Sorry, but people shouldn't get a refund simply because their Blu-ray players cannot transmit the CC signal through the HDMI cable. People should do their homework before making a big investment. SDH is the standard for accessible HD entertainment these days whether you like it or not.

Foxrac · 03-12-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Sorry, but people shouldn't get a refund simply because their Blu-ray players cannot transmit the CC signal through the HDMI cable. People should do their homework before making a big investment. SDH is the standard for accessible HD entertainment these days whether you like it or not.

Any customers can refund if it's under 14 days of purchase, common return policy for US.

JMH · 03-12-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Any customers can refund if it's under 14 days of purchase, common return policy for US.

Well, depends on what stores. I know many stores wouldn't accept return if the box is open.

There are 3 movie studios that display CC-like subtitles (or SDH) - Universal Studio, Columbia Pictures, and Sony Pictures.

My suggestion to OP (original poster), learn to accept SDH like I did.

Banjo · 03-12-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JMH

Well, depends on what stores. I know many stores wouldn't accept return if the box is open.

There are 3 movie studios that display CC-like subtitles (or SDH) - Universal Studio, Columbia Pictures, and Sony Pictures.

My suggestion to OP (original poster), learn to accept SDH like I did.

All of the major studios use SDH on Blu-ray.

JMH · 03-12-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

All of the major studios use SDH on Blu-ray.

I said CC-like SDH and I don't mean cheapy-foreign subtitles-like SDH.

Banjo · 03-12-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JMH

I said CC-like SDH and I don't mean cheapy-foreign subtitles-like SDH.

That's English subtitles, not SDH.

Big difference.

PowerON · 03-12-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by darkage

You should ask salesperson that you want to see demo before you buy Blu-Ray player. You can get refund $$$ (blu-ray player) but no refund any Movie Blu-Ray disc.

About two years ago, I explained them that we do not like subtitle at all. They were happy to set up regular CC instead subtitle. We learned that Blu-Ray player and movie does not show CC. We learned that HDMI cable does not support CC. Just Supervideo and some Component cable (Red, Green and Blue) support CC.

Component cable and HDMI doesn't support to get CC track go through. Only S-Video, Composite video and coaxial support.

Read Banjo and mine on explain why it won't. In future, the firmware should solution. It's new tech adopt. There was so limited CC when CC decoder was first introduce. It will fix that allow anyone want to change size instead standard size on SDH. I'm very fine with SDH on DVD that most from Universal Studio always include.

Banjo · 03-12-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

Component cable and HDMI doesn't support to get CC track go through. Only S-Video, Composite video and coaxial support.

Read Banjo and mine on explain why it won't. In future, the firmware should solution. It's new tech adopt. There was so limited CC when CC decoder was first introduce. It will fix that allow anyone want to change size instead standard size on SDH. I'm very fine with SDH on DVD that most from Universal Studio always include.

Actually, component cables can carry the CC signal as long as it is in the interlaced mode (480i) but that means you cannot watch it in HD.

Foxrac · 03-12-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JMH

Well, depends on what stores. I know many stores wouldn't accept return if the box is open.

There are 3 movie studios that display CC-like subtitles (or SDH) - Universal Studio, Columbia Pictures, and Sony Pictures.

My suggestion to OP (original poster), learn to accept SDH like I did.

I means BD Player, not movie.

PowerON · 03-12-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Actually, component cables can carry the CC signal as long as it is in the interlaced mode (480i) but that means you cannot watch it in HD.

I did test that one before and it didn't go in that well. I guess, different DVD player.

JClarke · 03-12-2009, 06:05 PM

Didnt you know that Playstation 3 has the best Blu Ray Player?

darkage · 03-12-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

Component cable and HDMI doesn't support to get CC track go through. Only S-Video, Composite video and coaxial support.

I did use component cable on my DVD player, HDTV box and TIVO HD box. It does show CC.

In past. I have experience with some DVD players and TV won't work CC from component cable then, I have to use SuperVideo cable or Red, White (sound) and Yellow (video) cable.

JMH · 03-12-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

That's English subtitles, not SDH.

Big difference.

You're missing my point.

I just watched Get Smart - I turned on "SDH" and it came out it looks like English subtitles (or cheapy foreign subtitles). Because the text always stay in one place - middle/bottom of the screen.

I've already explained in different thread that there are two kinds of SDH out there - one shows text that appears at position where character speaks - that's CC-like SDH. "Foreign subtitles" would only appears in the bottom middle of the screen -

Universal Studio, Sony Pictures, Columbia Pictures, and Sony Classic Pictures are only ones that showed CC-like SDH.

Banjo · 03-13-2009, 12:26 AM

Yes, I know what you mean. But they are still subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing. I don't find it difficult to follow what people are saying at all. It's second nature to me.

peternagy · 03-13-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by darkage

In past. I have experience with some DVD players and TV won't work CC from component cable then, I have to use SuperVideo cable or Red, White (sound) and Yellow (video) cable.

Some DVD players may default to "progressive scan" and CC won't work with progressive scan if you are using component cables. You will have to go to DVD player's menu setup and change it to "interlace" or "non-progressive scan" mode in order to display CC with component cables.

Peter

PowerON · 03-13-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JMH

You're missing my point.

I just watched Get Smart - I turned on "SDH" and it came out it looks like English subtitles (or cheapy foreign subtitles). Because the text always stay in one place - middle/bottom of the screen.

I've already explained in different thread that there are two kinds of SDH out there - one shows text that appears at position where character speaks - that's CC-like SDH. "Foreign subtitles" would only appears in the bottom middle of the screen -

Universal Studio, Sony Pictures, Columbia Pictures, and Sony Classic Pictures are only ones that showed CC-like SDH.

SDH and English Subtitle are DIFFERENT period.

JMH · 03-13-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

SDH and English Subtitle are DIFFERENT period.

Ugh.

I'm bored of arguing over the difference SDH after explaining several times and I'm not going to argue about it anymore. And this is my final post in this forum. Good luck with your life.

mandi · 03-15-2009, 12:39 AM

Thanks for your feedback, everyone!

Wow that's a lot of information going on, basically my hearing husband bought that for me and he wasn't aware of the CC problem until we encountered that and it is way past the date of when we were supposed to return the merchandise but alais, I will check and do all research on anything in the future before purchasing anything that requires CC. ;-)

Overall, that is interesting thread going on in this one that I read, alot of different opinion regarding CC, SDH and whatnots. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

Duskywolf · 03-18-2009, 08:01 PM

LOL, I believe all of you miss the point, there is a law required put CC chips in TV. Now there no laws for any kind of cords such as HDMI and the DVD player unless anyone do the action to make new law so all the equipment can fit in easy with TV CC. Good luck.

gimbragreen · 04-29-2009, 10:16 AM

Some "SDH" English subtitles have problem with too much white or too light color on TV. We can't read white SDH. We need little bit dark words or other colour words.

I hope SDH must little bit dark than too much white SDH.

I prefer real closed caption in black box.

JClarke · 04-29-2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

Sorry, but people shouldn't get a refund simply because their Blu-ray players cannot transmit the CC signal through the HDMI cable. People should do their homework before making a big investment. SDH is the standard for accessible HD entertainment these days whether you like it or not.

How come, my HD tuner down here in Australia can transmit teletext through HDMI cable? I turned it on and they work fine. (The captions are very digital)

Banjo · 04-29-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JClarke

How come, my HD tuner down here in Australia can transmit teletext through HDMI cable? I turned it on and they work fine. (The captions are very digital)

That's the HD tuner doing the decoding, not your TV.

It is an established fact that the HDMI cable will not allow the signal to pass through. It cannot be argued with. That was how it was engineered.

If you see captioning on the TV via HDMI cable, it is the source device (DVD player, TV receiver, HD tuner, etc) that is doing the decoding and then overlaying it onto the video signal rather than sending the signal to the TV.

JClarke · 04-29-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

That's the HD tuner doing the decoding, not your TV.

It is an established fact that the HDMI cable will not allow the signal to pass through. It cannot be argued with. That was how it was engineered.

If you see captioning on the TV via HDMI cable, it is the source device (DVD player, TV receiver, HD tuner, etc) that is doing the decoding and then overlaying it onto the video signal rather than sending the signal to the TV.

At least, that's a good thing - I watched the simpsons with HDMI cable with CC via 1080i

03-11-2009, 10:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
mandi Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 45	Blu-ray Just wondering.... I got blu-ray dvd player, ummm here is my question... why is the movies only playing the ones that has subtitles available on dvde but not the one through TV?? Did I do something wrong??? I tried to figure this out but could not.... Any suggestion??? __________________ MandiJo Check my website: www.scentsy.com/23204 (New catalog just came out, March 1st!)

03-11-2009, 11:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
JClarke Good times, good times. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Packing bags for U.S.A Posts: 20,219 Blog Entries: 5	These subtitles are implemented in the Blu Rau Disc, and they are transmitted via HDMI cable. Just for your information, they dont support Closed Captions unfortunately, only SDH (Subtitles for the Deaf and Hearing Impaired) __________________

03-12-2009, 06:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
JClarke Good times, good times. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Packing bags for U.S.A Posts: 20,219 Blog Entries: 5	Didnt you know that Playstation 3 has the best Blu Ray Player? __________________

03-15-2009, 12:39 AM	#21 (permalink)
mandi Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 45	Thanks for your feedback, everyone! Wow that's a lot of information going on, basically my hearing husband bought that for me and he wasn't aware of the CC problem until we encountered that and it is way past the date of when we were supposed to return the merchandise but alais, I will check and do all research on anything in the future before purchasing anything that requires CC. ;-) Overall, that is interesting thread going on in this one that I read, alot of different opinion regarding CC, SDH and whatnots. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. __________________ MandiJo Check my website: www.scentsy.com/23204 (New catalog just came out, March 1st!)

04-29-2009, 10:16 AM	#23 (permalink)
gimbragreen Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Posts: 112	Do you know? Some "SDH" English subtitles have problem with too much white or too light color on TV. We can't read white SDH. We need little bit dark words or other colour words. I hope SDH must little bit dark than too much white SDH. I prefer real closed caption in black box.

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03-12-2009, 09:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
darkage Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,299	You should ask salesperson that you want to see demo before you buy Blu-Ray player. You can get refund $$$ (blu-ray player) but no refund any Movie Blu-Ray disc. About two years ago, I explained them that we do not like subtitle at all. They were happy to set up regular CC instead subtitle. We learned that Blu-Ray player and movie does not show CC. We learned that HDMI cable does not support CC. Just Supervideo and some Component cable (Red, Green and Blue) support CC.

03-13-2009, 12:26 AM	#17 (permalink)
Banjo Mr. Movie Guy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,959 Blog Entries: 1	Yes, I know what you mean. But they are still subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing. I don't find it difficult to follow what people are saying at all. It's second nature to me.

03-18-2009, 08:01 PM	#22 (permalink)
Duskywolf Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FLorida Posts: 201	LOL, I believe all of you miss the point, there is a law required put CC chips in TV. Now there no laws for any kind of cords such as HDMI and the DVD player unless anyone do the action to make new law so all the equipment can fit in easy with TV CC. Good luck.

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