Need your help! PSE and CASE

Oceanblue7 · 04-10-2008, 03:23 PM

I would like to know if PSE and CASE are the same? If not, what is the difference between these two sign lanuage modes? Thank for you help anyone

shel90 · 04-10-2008, 04:32 PM

What's CASE?

Oceanblue7 · 04-10-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

What's CASE?

Conceptual Accuracy Sign English

Boult · 04-10-2008, 05:15 PM

CASE = Conceptually Accurate Signed English

More information on MCE types used in North America
Manually Coded English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

shel90 · 04-10-2008, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boult

CASE = Conceptually Accurate Signed English

More information on MCE types used in North America
Manually Coded English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's a new one to me. Thanks..

PSE and CASE (if I am thinking correctly) are not the same. PSE mixes ASL/English syntax while CASE follows English word for word.

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me.

Boult · 04-10-2008, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shel90

That's a new one to me. Thanks..

PSE and CASE (if I am thinking correctly) are not the same. PSE mixes ASL/English syntax while CASE follows English word for word.

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me.

see the link and read the one about PSE

shel90 · 04-10-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Boult

see the link and read the one about PSE

I cant open it..something is wrong with my cpu...

Oceanblue7 · 04-10-2008, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shel90

That's a new one to me. Thanks..

PSE and CASE (if I am thinking correctly) are not the same. PSE mixes ASL/English syntax while CASE follows English word for word.

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me.

That's what I was looking for about CASE whew! I got them confused, PSE mixes ASL/English syntax

Boult · 04-10-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I cant open it..something is wrong with my cpu...

hmm maybe the url doesn't load on your but try this one

Manually Coded English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and look for PSE

anyway...
PSE drops the initializations and grammatical markers used in other forms of MCE, but retains basic English word order.

CASE, one of the more recently developed forms of MCE, combines the grammatical structure used in Signed English with the use of concepts rather than words, as is done in ASL.

Boult · 04-10-2008, 05:45 PM

This from Lifeprint.com
ASL - American Sign Language
at bottom under "Discussion"

Oceanblue7 · 04-10-2008, 05:56 PM

Boult for the links above they are very helpful

Boult · 04-10-2008, 05:56 PM

This one from ASLinfo
ASLinfo.com » Resources - Information and resources related to American Sign Language (ASL), Interpreting and Deaf Culture

deafbajagal · 04-10-2008, 08:07 PM

I agree with those who said that PSE (I learned it is now called Contact Language Variety, or CLV) is a mixture of ASL and English. CASE follows English syntax/word order but the signs are conceptually correct whereas if you are using SEE II, you would not sign conceptually. My friend whom I met in college used SEE II (and was the ONLY one who did, so I had to really improvise to find a way to communicate with him until I learned SEE). He signed "butterfly" as "butter" (the spread that you use on bread) and "fly" the verb rather than signing "butterfly." Another example was the phrase, "I'm gonna hit the sack." He would sign literally every word. Of course he wasn't going to hit a sack...he meant that he was going to bed. If we used CASE, I would sign "I'm going to go to bed" (but I would voice "I'm going to hit the sack".) If I used PSE, then I would still say "I'm going to go to bed" but I would use more ASL concepts when signing. In some ways PSE (aka CLV) and CASE are very similiar.

jillio · 04-10-2008, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shel90

That's a new one to me. Thanks..

PSE and CASE (if I am thinking correctly) are not the same. PSE mixes ASL/English syntax while CASE follows English word for word.

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me.

Nope, you are correct. CASE is just another attempt to reinvent the wheel.

jillio · 04-10-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

I agree with those who said that PSE (I learned it is now called Contact Language Variety, or CLV) is a mixture of ASL and English. CASE follows English syntax/word order but the signs are conceptually correct whereas if you are using SEE II, you would not sign conceptually. My friend whom I met in college used SEE II (and was the ONLY one who did, so I had to really improvise to find a way to communicate with him until I learned SEE). He signed "butterfly" as "butter" (the spread that you use on bread) and "fly" the verb rather than signing "butterfly." Another example was the phrase, "I'm gonna hit the sack." He would sign literally every word. Of course he wasn't going to hit a sack...he meant that he was going to bed. If we used CASE, I would sign "I'm going to go to bed" (but I would voice "I'm going to hit the sack".) If I used PSE, then I would still say "I'm going to go to bed" but I would use more ASL concepts when signing. In some ways PSE (aka CLV) and CASE are very similiar.

Good explanation. PSE is also known as contact signing because it developed naturally from contact between the hearing and Deaf cultures...i.e. is the result of "cultural contact." Unlike the MCE's, which are artificially invented systems by the hearing, PSE is a naturally occurring pidgin langauge.

traciedowell · 04-10-2008, 08:28 PM

I have a tendency to sign PSE as opposed to ASL. I think because it's easier to sign and speak at the same time using PSE. SEE is easier for hearing people to comprehend, thus, I think some hearing people who attempt to learn sign language tend to use SEE because it makes sense to them.

I teach ASL to my students and, honestly, it helps me sign better by being a teacher. It forces me to keep myself in check and teach them properly.

That person who signed "butter" and then "fly" is strange to me. I have never seen anyone sign like that. Interesting.

jillio · 04-10-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by traciedowell

I have a tendency to sign PSE as opposed to ASL. I think because it's easier to sign and speak at the same time using PSE. SEE is easier for hearing people to comprehend, thus, I think some hearing people who attempt to learn sign language tend to use SEE because it makes sense to them.

I teach ASL to my students and, honestly, it helps me sign better by being a teacher. It forces me to keep myself in check and teach them properly.

That person who signed "butter" and then "fly" is strange to me. I have never seen anyone sign like that. Interesting.

I tend to lapse into PSE if I am sim-coming, too. Just am not capable of thinking in 2 languages at once.

However, I can do 2 modes of English at once.

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traciedowell Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 121	I have a tendency to sign PSE as opposed to ASL. I think because it's easier to sign and speak at the same time using PSE. SEE is easier for hearing people to comprehend, thus, I think some hearing people who attempt to learn sign language tend to use SEE because it makes sense to them. I teach ASL to my students and, honestly, it helps me sign better by being a teacher. It forces me to keep myself in check and teach them properly. That person who signed "butter" and then "fly" is strange to me. I have never seen anyone sign like that. Interesting. __________________ ~Tracie Dowell LifeMark Career Development http://www.deafcareer.com "For a few years I will set aside the time that most people won't so that I can live the rest of my life the way most people can't."

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04-10-2008, 08:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
deafbajagal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 694	I agree with those who said that PSE (I learned it is now called Contact Language Variety, or CLV) is a mixture of ASL and English. CASE follows English syntax/word order but the signs are conceptually correct whereas if you are using SEE II, you would not sign conceptually. My friend whom I met in college used SEE II (and was the ONLY one who did, so I had to really improvise to find a way to communicate with him until I learned SEE). He signed "butterfly" as "butter" (the spread that you use on bread) and "fly" the verb rather than signing "butterfly." Another example was the phrase, "I'm gonna hit the sack." He would sign literally every word. Of course he wasn't going to hit a sack...he meant that he was going to bed. If we used CASE, I would sign "I'm going to go to bed" (but I would voice "I'm going to hit the sack".) If I used PSE, then I would still say "I'm going to go to bed" but I would use more ASL concepts when signing. In some ways PSE (aka CLV) and CASE are very similiar.