AquaBlue

I simply misunderstood you Etoile. The only thing that upset me was that you said I didn't respect the Deaf people. That did not sit well with me.

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Anij

AquaBlue - you haven't been exactly respectful of me ...or it certainly hasn't come across as respectful

AquaBlue

I didn't mean to be disrespectful. It was only a reaction to your accusation that I was disrespectful toward the deaf on this forum.

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Anij

Umm ... you DO know that I'm hh/Deaf right ?????

jillio

YW.

AquaBlue

You are deaf and HH?? That's why you came through so harshly. I did not know that Anij. You never told me that. Now I see why you took it so personally. So your viewpoint is now much more valuable to me Anij. But don't be mad at me Anij. Remember I am in the learning stage.

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ASLGAL

I tried to comment very generally and politely in one of Aqua-Blues earlier posts but apparently tact does not and has not gotten through...


Aqua-Blue,
It is admirable that you have decided to learn ASL and think you have found your calling in life -- however --

D/deaf and HOH is not cute or quaint or funny or anything else you may think and they are not here for you to pick their brains or lord over or be condescending to.....

as the hearing spouse of a D/deaf/HOH person - I am and have been offended by your posts and assume that the D/deaf/HOH individuals are more appalled by your behavior

some advice --
learn some humility or you will never be a successful interpreter.

Just my 2cents

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AquaBlue

Please, for goodness sakes, show me (posts) where I have done such things. Offended, appalled? Boy those are two words that never entered my thinking in regards to my postings. If I EVER offended you ASLGAL or any other member in this forum I am (absolutely) sorry. I never imagined in my wildest dreams that my words were being translated as such.

Please believe me. One thing is for certain, when I have books that explain the Deaf culture (and I see the errors of my ways) then I will become aware as to the validity of these replies. You must believe me ASLGAL when I say: I was NEVER my intension to offend anyone- deaf or HH or anyone else. I am shocked!

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ASLGAL

you can be a shocked as you want, and I am not surprised that you are, but... go back and read... the members have been politely stating this to you in many a post and in many a thread.

You have much to learn, but learn you can..if you possess the true desire to become an exceptional interpreter.

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Reba

Aack! You still don't get it. Turning the offense back on the offended is no way to mend fences.

I'm hoping that most of your attitude is due to your youth, and that maturity and life experience will mellow that attitude.

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AquaBlue

I do possess a great desire to become a Terp. Growing pains are expected and I figure this is one of them. I will post less on this discussion board so as to not offend anyone...and I will to do so until I am satisfied with insights learned. I do not want to be insensitive toward anyone and most especially to the Deaf and HH. I will learn. Please do not forget that these are my initial steps prior to entering the culture so I guess now is the best time to find and remove any wrong thinking I posses.

Besides learning about the Deaf culture as whole, what else would you recommend I do to gain the proper thinking?

One thing is certain; the two cultures (hearing and Deaf) are different. What one expresses in one is not necessarily accepted in the other. So please be patient with me for I am new.

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AquaBlue

You mean that I alienated Anij? Ohay (sorry) I got it.

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Secretblend

Just remember Aquablue, "Action speaks louder than words."

You can say what your intentions are however your actions are showing the opposite of what you are saying. The way you are wording your posts to me tells me that you are looking down at the Deaf. I and I am sure the others would agree that it is not taken very well since that does happen all the time.

Think about what you are saying that "shows" your action. I would just tone down the attitude and let the learning desire show instead of doing the "demanding" tone.

AquaBlue

Point taken. I will try Secretblend.

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AquaBlue

I have discovered some Deaf Culture websites; I am reading them now. The book may arrive today or early this week.

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AquaBlue

There are so many publications on Deaf Culture! That's great...the more the better. I will study as many as possible. The one that stands out the most in all the sites I have reviewd so far is The Mask of Benevolence: Disabling the Deaf Community by Harlan L. Lane.

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jillio

This is an excellent book, but a rather deep read at the same time. It is definately not introductory in nature, as he applies some complicated psychological and sociological concepts to Deaf Culture in this work. Better to have some degree of familiarity with the culture before you tackle this one. IMO.

AquaBlue

Good to know. Thanks.

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jillio

No problemo.

AquaBlue

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Tousi

What does posting the above image signify?

AquaBlue

What jillio said- No Problemo.

Yeah I know...childish.

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AquaBlue

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Yes! The book dealing with Deaf culture has arrive at my local library. I am going to go pick it now.

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Books are good for reference.

Do not believe you can learn about d/Deaf Culture from a book or you will be thoroughly disappointed.

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Anij

Yup - they do however at least provide some general "norms" in a format which is most accessible to very new ASL students (that would be in printed/spoken English) who might not have someone locally who can teach them the basics one-on-one.

It's also important to read a wide range of books on culture - old and new, native Deaf, and those who enter the community later in life.

AquaBlue - I would encourage you to read lots of books, and then ask lots of questions of everyone here - that way you'll get a diverse perspective

Keep in mind that "norms" do change over time (especially the case with CI related issues- a prime example of the this is the outcome postfilming of the family in Sound and Fury)

Read lots, ask lots of questions ... and realise that when we offer correction we aren't attacking you - we're only trying to help. We understand the Deaf world in a way that you cannot, we take the time to type back because we want to help you learn and grow on this journey, not because we want to bash you down.

Of all the pearls of wisdom I can offer ... realise you will make mistakes, that we will from time to time correct these things - and be gracious, not defensive. We want to help ... but we can only do that if you will let us. You have commented to me personally things like "fat chance", "I don't think so" etc - I'd suggest that instead you say "please explain" - or "can you point me in the right direction" ... we want to help you. Seriously if I didn't want you to understand - I would never have bothered putting my PILES of homework on hold to reply to your questions.

Never stop asking questions ... just be accepting of the answers we offer

Blessings

RDC_girl

you took the words right out of my mouth!

Interpretrator

Yes you will. It's inevitable. Interpreters and other hearing people working with deaf people mess up, make cultural errors, inadvertently display audism, etc. Instead of announcing it will never happen, try thinking about how you will handle it when you do screw up.

And this is not a personal attack on you. I'm speaking from my own personal experience. We all screw up sometimes. If any interpreter in this thread wants to claim otherwise, go right ahead, but I never will.

jillio

**nodding** We all make our blunders. Best to simply apologize for our errors, and learn from the mistake.