Terps - Page 4

AquaBlue · 02-29-2008, 10:28 AM

Your replies are great Etoile. Thanks again.

Etoile · 02-29-2008, 10:49 AM

One thing I will mention is that you will most likely need to be fluent in sign language before beginning an ITP. Some ITP's include ASL instruction, but not all.

Anij · 02-29-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I also wanted ask, are there specialized books/booklets that are must-reads for Terps (novice or experieced)?

Deaf Culture books ! and LOTS of them ... old ones , new ones, Deaf History Books, seriously that's a huge thing ... I know you're getting some - but that's probably the most important thing (over dictionaries even)

Some are "controversial" but you need to have a really strong grasp of all of that - understanding Deaf Cultural norms will be very important as you start interacting with the community.

One thing I'd strongly suggest here in the forms is that you start a thread asking us Deaf HH LD etc people what we appreciate in interpreters - what we wish they knew more about, what's important for us !

Anij · 02-29-2008, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etoile

One thing I will mention is that you will most likely need to be fluent in sign language before beginning an ITP. Some ITP's include ASL instruction, but not all.

yea - ours here require a certain level of proficiency prior to starting ITP - they also require a Deaf Studies ( Culture, interaction, volunteering, etc) events

AquaBlue · 02-29-2008, 11:53 AM

Got it. Once I get in contact with those mentioned above (via e-mail), I would expect that they will also set me in the right direction.

AquaBlue · 02-29-2008, 01:01 PM

Even though I am happy to "participate" in a Deaf gathering and learning/using ASL, I still feel that it is way too early for me to do so because I only know a few phrases and a meager amount of sign words. But I would guess that such would not matter since the Deaf community is so much more than that...so much more. I won't be calm doing what I need to do but it is what must be done.

Etoile · 02-29-2008, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

Even though I am happy to "participate" in a Deaf gathering and learning/using ASL, I still feel that it is way too early for me to do so because I only know a few phrases and a meager amount of sign words. But I would guess that such would not matter since the Deaf community is so much more than that...so much more. I won't be calm doing what I need to do but it is what must be done.

Don't be scared to go. Deaf people won't bite you! Don't treat it like you're assembling furniture...you don't have to do Step 3 before you do Step 5. Go and socialize with deaf people. It will be much more helpful than trying to learn in isolation. It sounds like you are trying to come up with reasons to not go, but there aren't any. You keep insisting that it's too early...but didn't you say you got up to ASL 3 in the past? Don't be afraid, go meet some deaf people!

AquaBlue · 02-29-2008, 01:28 PM

I hear what you're saying and I will attend; there's no doubt about that Etoile. Going as high as an advance ASL 3 class has nothing to with anything, really. You see knowing as little as (I feel) I do is not the question: The question is do I know enough to fully join in the group.

Nonetheless I will go for it...I just hope I don't become the laughing-stock of the gathering.

Etoile · 02-29-2008, 01:36 PM

But like I said, you won't be. Don't be so worried about it. Don't let it scare you so much! Just go.

AquaBlue · 02-29-2008, 01:50 PM

I will say this: Every time a person, with no experience in the Spanish language, tried to speak it, I felt a sense of joy/honor and I always endeavored to help him/her find confidence in the language. I was more than happy to do so.

Practically all my friends growing up were/are Caucasian and I taught several the basics of Spanish. Being around me (association) and using Spanish frequently helped them learned quite well. A few (years later) handle Spanish better than I do today.

Isn’t that something!?

AquaBlue · 02-29-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Etoile

But like I said, you won't be. Don't be so worried about it. Don't let it scare you so much! Just go.

Like that old Nike slogan: Just do it!

Anij · 02-29-2008, 03:29 PM

AquaBlue,
I know you're concerned about not knowing enough - when you go be open and honest it will be expected for you to give a little history ( I'm hearing, I started learned ASL a few years ago, I'm starting classes again in spring ... I hope that I can meet with hh and deaf so that I can learn more about the language and culture - and I'm worried that my signing skill isn't good ... but I want to learn more)

It's not about joining fully - it's about sticking your toes in the water ... learning to crawl, and falling - there's alot you won't get, and that's ok - but BE HONEST ... if you get lost in a conversation be honest about it ... never pretend that you understand if you don't. You're entering a different world, a different culture, language, norms, values, and that IS scary at times ... but personally people will respect you alot more for going and learning "for real" with native ASLers than if you just memorize a bunch of signs out of a book - it's about interacting. I can't place enough emphasis on the cultural side of ASL - and if you wish to become an interpreter ... culture, community, and honesty are some of the most important things to understand.

I grew up oral - my parents didn't allow me to be involved with hh/d , didn't allow me to sign - I started learning "for real" when I was a young adult ... and it was hard because I really came from a place between worlds - I don't belong to the hearing world , but I can't ever fully be in the DEAF WORLD either ... so when I write - I understand all the nervousness and struggles - those are things I struggle with daily. I use interpreters in class - but I'm still struggling to get back into the DEAF community (I couldn't sign for a few years after a car accident, and lost touch with the community)

Take a step out ...be honest about you're abilities - but be even more honest that you're new and that you WANT to learn from us, that you value what we know - you have to want that ... you have to want to fall, because it's the only way you'll learn to walk.

AquaBlue · 02-29-2008, 03:37 PM

Thank you Anij. Your words have true value.

RDC_girl · 02-29-2008, 04:48 PM

AquaBlue - When I first went to the Deaf Club here, I was terrified. I made mistakes, but was always upfront that I was hearing, learning ASL and enthusiasic to learn more. I went with my ASL prof so that made it a little easier. by the end of the night I was hanging out with people my age and my instructor had to come find me so we could leave. lol. The next time I went, i was more comfortable and relaxed.

It is unknown and a little intimidating... but so much fun

AquaBlue · 02-29-2008, 04:59 PM

Good to know RDC_girl. Thank you.

Anij · 02-29-2008, 05:18 PM

AquaBlue,

I started a Thread for people to recommend books on Deaf Culture, community, experiences etc. - most if not all of these are available from the library (if you're local doesn't have it - as them to interlibrary loan it)

When I was in College in MN I think I spent most of my time reading anything I could get on DC.

Hope this helps

AquaBlue · 02-29-2008, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anij

AquaBlue,

I started a Thread for people to recommend books on Deaf Culture, community, experiences etc. - most if not all of these are available from the library (if you're local doesn't have it - as them to interlibrary loan it)

When I was in College in MN I think I spent most of my time reading anything I could get on DC.

Hope this helps

The book I request from the library- For Hearing People Only- is in transit from other brances so I will have it soon (I hope).

For the last month I have been learning ASL exclusively (and intensely). All my other reading plans have been placed on hold because of my passion to keep learning more about ASL. I am going to give myself an ASL break for a day or two so as to not burn myself out on the subject. Afterward I will (of course) continue full throttle as before. I just really like this language so much.

AquaBlue · 02-29-2008, 07:41 PM

I had an idea and I wanted your input. When I practice my fingerspelling I would visit this site to improve my retention. And this site for fingerspelling drills. But as regards to both sites I find that they use no useful words in the examples given. You don’t gain any further understanding with such words.

My idea is to use prefixes, suffixes and roots in place of the dead wording in the sites mentioned. That way when you fingerspell a word (and mouth the each syllable in an undertone) you gain better control over all fingerspelled words and fix errors (like misspelled words).

This site looks more useful for drills.

That's it. What do you think?

AquaBlue · 03-01-2008, 04:44 PM

What's your view Terps?

AquaBlue · 03-02-2008, 08:59 AM

Sadly no one I e-mailed has replied to my help message.

I sure hope (for my sake) that this thread doesn't fade away. I need it.

Anij · 03-02-2008, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

What's your view Terps?

AquaBlue,
Firstly, I think we need an example of what you mean by "dead wording" and how you intend to use these suffixes etc ... part of the POINT of those websites is that the words be random, non-nonsensical, even misspelled at times ... it's the check what you "see" versus what you "think you see"

Also - and more importantly ... you repeatedly keep bing exclusive in your posts ... you've once again asked that only Interpreters answer your questions.

The reason for which is beyond me (99% of your questions are general , meaning not "what school do you recommend I attend, policies and proceedures type stuff which would be specialized knowledge for an interpreter) ... you'd benefit from the answers of EVERYONE on this board hearing, deaf, hh, etc - but you keep picking a "target group" of hearing only, deaf, only, interpreters only ... a few people have written and politely explained that you should rethink this - but you continue to do it. If you really want to become involved in the ASL community , Deaf Community... and especially if you want to become an interpreter ... you really need to have a good sit down with yourself and find out what's up with this "exclusion thing". It's not about " ok , I've adjusted my attitude" ... because you just did it again on this thread.

This site is full of ASL students like yourself, interpreters, and every different kind of deaf and deaf-blind person you could meet ... you need to open yourself up to ALL of our experiences and wisdom.

You will not last long in the Deaf community, nor an ITP program unless you sort though this first.

AquaBlue · 03-02-2008, 11:19 AM

Respectfully speaking Anij, I think you are wrong. I am not guilty of anything you stated. Maybe I am being interpreted inaccurately (I must be) because your post does not serve me well. I understand all of what you meant and I am baffled, truly. Is as if you are talking about another person, not me.

Let's agree Anij; and let's get things clear, I do not have to sit down and think of what I am going to accomplish. I know that one day I will become a Terp regardless of your discouraging words. If for some strange reason I am wrong and you are right (fat chance) then I will be humble myself and listen: I'll be all ears. But for now I disagree with your words Anij.

Please don’t get upset.

Etoile · 03-02-2008, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anij

This site is full of ASL students like yourself, interpreters, and every different kind of deaf and deaf-blind person you could meet ... you need to open yourself up to ALL of our experiences and wisdom.

You will not last long in the Deaf community, nor an ITP program unless you sort though this first.

I agree with Anij 100%.

AB, I won't say you'll never become an interpreter, but you need to have a LOT more respect for the Deaf community before you can expect to get anywhere with this.

AquaBlue · 03-02-2008, 11:52 AM

Wait just a minute. This is going too far now. I most definitely have only but the utmost respect for the Deaf culture. From where are you both getting this idea that I have no respect for the Deaf world? Oh my goodness, please!! These accusations are now upsetting me because they do not have a bit of truth. Let's get real folks. Oh boy.

AquaBlue · 03-02-2008, 11:56 AM

I read your posts again and I just know how your ideas of me have become true (to you both). I am in shock right now. Disrespect for the Deaf culture...oh please give me a break.

Etoile · 03-02-2008, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

Wait just a minute. This is going too far now. I most definitely have only but the utmost respect for the Deaf culture. From where are you both getting this idea that I have no respect for the Deaf world? Oh my goodness, please!! These accusations are now upsetting me because they do not have a bit of truth. Let's get real folks. Oh boy.

You may think you do, but your words say otherwise. You don't really seem to know anything about the Deaf community yet. It's great that you want to learn, reading up on Deaf culture will help a lot. But as of right now, you are making a lot of faux pas due to your lack of understanding. Learn more, read more, ask more questions of deaf people, etc. I'm not saying you can't learn, but right now you are asking questions that are based on incorrect assumptions. Slow down a bit. Being fluent in ASL is only about 50% of what you need to be a good interpreter. Being understanding, knowledgeable, and tolerant is another 25%. The remaining 25% is patience and a thick skin.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I read your posts again and I just know how your ideas of me have become true (to you both). I am in shock right now. Disrespect for the Deaf culture...oh please give me a break.

Give you a break? How about give the rest of us a break and listen to what we have to say with an open mind, rather than constantly assuming that you're right in your beliefs?

AquaBlue · 03-02-2008, 12:10 PM

True Etoil, I do not know all that much about the Deaf world now, but that does not mean that I have disrespect for the culture. That's what eats me up.

02-29-2008, 10:28 AM	#91 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	Your replies are great Etoile. Thanks again. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

02-29-2008, 11:53 AM	#95 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	Got it. Once I get in contact with those mentioned above (via e-mail), I would expect that they will also set me in the right direction. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

02-29-2008, 01:01 PM	#96 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	Even though I am happy to "participate" in a Deaf gathering and learning/using ASL, I still feel that it is way too early for me to do so because I only know a few phrases and a meager amount of sign words. But I would guess that such would not matter since the Deaf community is so much more than that...so much more. I won't be calm doing what I need to do but it is what must be done. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

02-29-2008, 01:28 PM	#98 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	I hear what you're saying and I will attend; there's no doubt about that Etoile. Going as high as an advance ASL 3 class has nothing to with anything, really. You see knowing as little as (I feel) I do is not the question: The question is do I know enough to fully join in the group. Nonetheless I will go for it...I just hope I don't become the laughing-stock of the gathering. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

02-29-2008, 01:50 PM	#100 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	I will say this: Every time a person, with no experience in the Spanish language, tried to speak it, I felt a sense of joy/honor and I always endeavored to help him/her find confidence in the language. I was more than happy to do so. Practically all my friends growing up were/are Caucasian and I taught several the basics of Spanish. Being around me (association) and using Spanish frequently helped them learned quite well. A few (years later) handle Spanish better than I do today. Isn’t that something!? __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

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02-29-2008, 10:49 AM	#92 (permalink)
Etoile HOH terp Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Posts: 926	One thing I will mention is that you will most likely need to be fluent in sign language before beginning an ITP. Some ITP's include ASL instruction, but not all.

02-29-2008, 01:36 PM	#99 (permalink)
Etoile HOH terp Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Posts: 926	But like I said, you won't be. Don't be so worried about it. Don't let it scare you so much! Just go.

02-29-2008, 03:29 PM	#102 (permalink)
Anij Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 357	AquaBlue, I know you're concerned about not knowing enough - when you go be open and honest it will be expected for you to give a little history ( I'm hearing, I started learned ASL a few years ago, I'm starting classes again in spring ... I hope that I can meet with hh and deaf so that I can learn more about the language and culture - and I'm worried that my signing skill isn't good ... but I want to learn more) It's not about joining fully - it's about sticking your toes in the water ... learning to crawl, and falling - there's alot you won't get, and that's ok - but BE HONEST ... if you get lost in a conversation be honest about it ... never pretend that you understand if you don't. You're entering a different world, a different culture, language, norms, values, and that IS scary at times ... but personally people will respect you alot more for going and learning "for real" with native ASLers than if you just memorize a bunch of signs out of a book - it's about interacting. I can't place enough emphasis on the cultural side of ASL - and if you wish to become an interpreter ... culture, community, and honesty are some of the most important things to understand. I grew up oral - my parents didn't allow me to be involved with hh/d , didn't allow me to sign - I started learning "for real" when I was a young adult ... and it was hard because I really came from a place between worlds - I don't belong to the hearing world , but I can't ever fully be in the DEAF WORLD either ... so when I write - I understand all the nervousness and struggles - those are things I struggle with daily. I use interpreters in class - but I'm still struggling to get back into the DEAF community (I couldn't sign for a few years after a car accident, and lost touch with the community) Take a step out ...be honest about you're abilities - but be even more honest that you're new and that you WANT to learn from us, that you value what we know - you have to want that ... you have to want to fall, because it's the only way you'll learn to walk.

02-29-2008, 03:37 PM	#103 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	Thank you Anij. Your words have true value. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

02-29-2008, 04:48 PM	#104 (permalink)
RDC_girl TERP student Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 486	AquaBlue - When I first went to the Deaf Club here, I was terrified. I made mistakes, but was always upfront that I was hearing, learning ASL and enthusiasic to learn more. I went with my ASL prof so that made it a little easier. by the end of the night I was hanging out with people my age and my instructor had to come find me so we could leave. lol. The next time I went, i was more comfortable and relaxed. It is unknown and a little intimidating... but so much fun

02-29-2008, 04:59 PM	#105 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	Good to know RDC_girl. Thank you. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

02-29-2008, 05:18 PM	#106 (permalink)
Anij Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 357	AquaBlue, I started a Thread for people to recommend books on Deaf Culture, community, experiences etc. - most if not all of these are available from the library (if you're local doesn't have it - as them to interlibrary loan it) When I was in College in MN I think I spent most of my time reading anything I could get on DC. Hope this helps

02-29-2008, 07:41 PM	#108 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	I had an idea and I wanted your input. When I practice my fingerspelling I would visit this site to improve my retention. And this site for fingerspelling drills. But as regards to both sites I find that they use no useful words in the examples given. You don’t gain any further understanding with such words. My idea is to use prefixes, suffixes and roots in place of the dead wording in the sites mentioned. That way when you fingerspell a word (and mouth the each syllable in an undertone) you gain better control over all fingerspelled words and fix errors (like misspelled words). This site looks more useful for drills. That's it. What do you think? __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-01-2008, 04:44 PM	#109 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	What's your view Terps? __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-02-2008, 08:59 AM	#110 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	Sadly no one I e-mailed has replied to my help message. I sure hope (for my sake) that this thread doesn't fade away. I need it. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-02-2008, 11:19 AM	#112 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	Respectfully speaking Anij, I think you are wrong. I am not guilty of anything you stated. Maybe I am being interpreted inaccurately (I must be) because your post does not serve me well. I understand all of what you meant and I am baffled, truly. Is as if you are talking about another person, not me. Let's agree Anij; and let's get things clear, I do not have to sit down and think of what I am going to accomplish. I know that one day I will become a Terp regardless of your discouraging words. If for some strange reason I am wrong and you are right (fat chance) then I will be humble myself and listen: I'll be all ears. But for now I disagree with your words Anij. Please don’t get upset. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-02-2008, 11:52 AM	#114 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	Wait just a minute. This is going too far now. I most definitely have only but the utmost respect for the Deaf culture. From where are you both getting this idea that I have no respect for the Deaf world? Oh my goodness, please!! These accusations are now upsetting me because they do not have a bit of truth. Let's get real folks. Oh boy. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-02-2008, 11:56 AM	#115 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	I read your posts again and I just know how your ideas of me have become true (to you both). I am in shock right now. Disrespect for the Deaf culture...oh please give me a break. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-02-2008, 12:10 PM	#117 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	True Etoil, I do not know all that much about the Deaf world now, but that does not mean that I have disrespect for the culture. That's what eats me up. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page