Terps - Page 20

Chase · 03-23-2008, 07:11 PM

I'm utterly surprised Alphablue is utterly surprised that most folks in discussion forums would want someone sparking discussions to leave.

It's kind of why we're all here.

I looked hard and can't find the specific request. So, good deal, it appears that you're staying.

AquaBlue · 03-23-2008, 08:56 PM

What some are telling me...

Hey don't leave cause of a few members here.
Yeah, don't leave just because we have different opinions than yours. You have the right to use this forum to make the post.
Learn how to ignore those stupid cockroaches in one thread. I faced that problem in the past, and I moved on. Most of Internet users do not care about you, because they don't know you, and they never met you. They could bash you as hell….
Just ignore it and stay here on with us.
You didn't do anything wrong here. Come on, do stay please.
Aquablue, don't leave on the count of some bad post or whatever. Be strong!
Everyone has their own opinion about whatever reason they feel that they want to express.
Simple ignore those people who tried to bully, upset or whatever to you and positive yourself and will know that they are nothing...
I do think that some of the comments on that thread, although they probably did not mean to, DID come accross as a little discouraging, from my point of view.

***Jolie77*** · 03-23-2008, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

What some are telling me...

I do think that some of the comments on that thread, although they probably did not mean to, DID come accross as a little discouraging, from my point of view.

Whether it's discouraging or not, It is not meant to put you down in any way. Some time there will be a strong statement that possibly could throw you out of the loop and seemly negative. However, It can be good in a sense because it will show you to think out of the box or otherwise, it will only seem like things are far off worse when it really isn't.

What I am saying is - No matter how harsh the views are, It is only up to you to tread it lightly or to take it seriously. It is just like as if someone tells you one thing and other one tells you a different thing. To make a choice, you need to take a step back and to analyze where it has veered off the path. With that it will help you see the light better.

So, with that - Try not to think far ahead and take a little step from time to time to get where you are at now. I hope that'll help.

AquaBlue · 03-23-2008, 09:18 PM

I think I might be warming-up (minutely) to restarting my personal ASL study. That desire, today, is very weak for I am not allowing my heart to conquer my mind. Logic is more important to me than desire.

The only injustice expressed in current replies, is that my actions were totally my fault- that I could of control myself somehow. Every person here has the right to think as they choose. I can’t help that. It is obvious that such ones have never experience bipolar before, which is a good thing because I would not ever wish such an illness on my very worse enemy. But what can I do?

Regardless, I am looking back at my ASL resources and wanting to continue my progress. Let’s see how I feel tomorrow.

AquaBlue · 03-23-2008, 09:59 PM

From past posts, you know that I am not a Bible man but an Agnostic. Now there was a time in my life where the reverse was true. I was addicted to God and the Bible. Today with my unspiritual stance, I still would recall all of my earlier knowledge of the Bible and apply its wisdom as best I can in my thinking and in my actions. Why am I saying all this?

Well it has to do with teaching if you can believe it. You see Jesus was an exceptional teacher. From his example, as a teacher, we gain much insight.

Jesus was also known as the Shepherd (or teacher *) of his flock (his sheep-like followers). In Jesus’ teaching manner we discover that effective instruction comes through tenderness and patience.

To illustrate, a shepherd, in order to keep his sheep from straying (both in mind and body), would use a staff. You would think that such a "shepherd" would forcefully keep his herd in line by using that rod harshly- striking it, wheeling it, and so forth.

The paramount fact here is that Jesus used that rod in a much more effective way. Jesus would gently nudge his followers (using his staff) in the right direction- always with heart-felt concern, personal interest, forgiveness, and deep love.

That is wisdom. So when someone comes to me and wants my advice or instruction (an honor, yes), I would use Jesus (my teaching model) because his manner is nothing less than pure wisdom- always effective and humane.

* The word Messiah also means Teacher. And if I remember correctly Jesus was also know as the Great Teacher.

Dharma · 03-23-2008, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

The only injustice expressed in current replies, is that my actions were totally my fault- that I could of control myself somehow. Every person here has the right to think as they choose. I can’t help that. It is obvious that such ones have never experience bipolar before, which is a good thing because I would not ever wish such an illness on my very worse enemy. But what can I do?

What's so horrible about accepting what you typed as your actions? I assume you were the one at the keyboard? Accept it, "yeah, i typed that stuff, but now I think differently". And move on from there. Being responsible for your actions is not about blame and fault, it's about having the ability to respond (response-ablity) to what's happening.

From the bulleted list above, it looks like you have some support here. Remember that.

AquaBlue · 03-23-2008, 10:07 PM

And also (sorry), if Jesus did not apply the wisdom mentioned above, his flock would scatter off or drift away from the path. So everything a teacher does/say affects his/her students in one-way or another. Teaching requires great responsibility because you can either influence or detour the learner from doing the right thing.

Take note of what I am saying please.

AquaBlue · 03-23-2008, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dharma

What's so horrible about accepting what you typed as your actions? I assume you were the one at the keyboard? Accept it, "yeah, i typed that stuff, but now I think differently". And move on from there. Being responsible for your actions is not about blame and fault, it's about having the ability to respond (response-ablity) to what's happening.

From the bulleted list above, it looks like you have some support here. Remember that.

Because I was not totally responsible Darmah…not totally: Only partially. That’s why.

AquaBlue · 03-23-2008, 10:33 PM

You know that there are laws that protect individuals who commit horrible crimes (like murder) to receive much lighter sentences because of their momentary insanity- the insanity defense. Those ones are not held completely accountable for there actions because of insanity. It’s true.

Now for those who may say that a bipolar episode is not insanity, I would insist that you alter your thinking. Such episodes (swings) are nothing less than insanity. Just look at the chaos brought about by my harsh words. And that was a very mild episode too- not close (by a mile) to a full fledge event.

A bipolar person goes from sanity, to a manic state, to a dark mood (depression) in a short time. If that is not insanity I do not know what is. And to say that such a person is completely responsible for his/her actions is ludicrous and unjust. Just ask a judge of law.

Etoile · 03-23-2008, 10:46 PM

This is the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen. Don't expect to see me around AD for a while, folks.

AquaBlue · 03-23-2008, 10:49 PM

What's wrong with Etoile? A mood swing maybe. I FORGIVE you Etoile. It's not your fault.

Etoile · 03-23-2008, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

What's wrong with Etoile? A mood swing maybe. I FORGIVE you Etoile. It's not your fault.

Nope, not a mood swing. If I elaborated, you'd get upset.

AquaBlue · 03-23-2008, 11:03 PM

Etoile, would say that in AD there are wolves in sheep clothing? In other words, people who seem pure and kind but are truly possessing bad intent?

I smell something fishy lately around AD- with some members. My strong instincts tell me to be careful in here. Do you catch my drift? Or is it my paranoia acting up again?? I hope I do not need more meds now.

AquaBlue · 03-23-2008, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etoile

Nope, not a mood swing. If I elaborated, you'd get upset.

So you are holding in negative emotions? Shout them out or write to me via a PM.

Interpretrator · 03-24-2008, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

A bipolar person goes from sanity, to a manic state, to a dark mood (depression) in a short time. If that is not insanity I do not know what is. And to say that such a person is completely responsible for his/her actions is ludicrous and unjust. Just ask a judge of law.

And if this is what you go through, due to either lack of medication or needing an adjustment or whatever it is, then to answer your previous question bluntly although I know you will not listen: no, you should not be an interpreter. There are many other ways you can work with deaf people that would be more suited to your situation. There is absolutely no reason you shouldn't work with deaf people. Interpreting is only one path and from what you yourself describe, it is not one that you are suited for. Accepting full responsibility for one's actions is one of the cornerstones of being an interpreter, and it is very difficult even for completely mentally healthy people to do that.

If you wish to lay blame for your actions on your mental illness, then it should be of some comfort that again it is not your lack of ability or determination, but rather your illness preventing you from following that particular path.

AquaBlue · 03-24-2008, 02:50 AM

It is my illness Interpretrator. How many times do I have to say that your assumtion is dead wrong. Read this >>.

AquaBlue · 03-24-2008, 03:02 AM

I just found this paragraph on the Net:

Quote:

Bipolar disorder can be extremely distressing and disruptive for those who have this disease, their spouses, family members, friends and employers. Although there is no known cure, bipolar disorder is treatable, and recovery is possible. Individuals with bipolar disorder have successful relationships and meaningful jobs. The combination of medications and psychotherapy helps the vast majority of people return to productive, fulfilling lives.

Interpretrator · 03-24-2008, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

It is my illness Interpretrator.

That is exactly what I just said.

I cannot believe I got sucked into trying to help again. You genuinely are totally resistant to advice that doesn't square with what you want to hear, so much so that you can't even see when someone is AGREEING WITH YOU.

Good luck with that. I'm out of my mind for stepping in here again. It's really, really deep.

AquaBlue · 03-24-2008, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interpretrator

That is exactly what I just said.

I cannot believe I got sucked into trying to help again. You genuinely are totally resistant to advice that doesn't square with what you want to hear, so much so that you can't even see when someone is AGREEING WITH YOU.

Good luck with that. I'm out of my mind for stepping in here again. It's really, really deep.

You are coming through as negative and not a helper. We are misunderstanding each others words. It seems like you are preaching to me Interpretrator. At least that's how it sounds to me anyway.

Schermy · 03-24-2008, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

You are coming through as negative and not a helper. We are misunderstanding each others words. It seems like you are preaching to me Interpretrator. At least that's how it sounds to me anyway.

Aqua:

Interpretrator is not being negative at all. No one here is saying that we do not understand your Bi-Polar "issues." What we do not understand is the continued use of it as an "excuse" for your actions at all times. I have a condition that causes mood swings and depression. It's horrible for me and my family. It's most hard for my 2 kids. The thing is, I don't let it own me, I own the condition. I do not let it consume me and take over my life and use it as a "crutch" for my actions. I, in no way, want to see you leave the forum because in threads other than this one, you have some great topics and have some great things to say. However, I think it would be a good idea for you to really take a step back from this particular thread and regroup, so to speak. Take a deep breath and realize that no one was attacking you. They were in fact trying to give you the advice you were seeking and did so over and over again even when you asked the same question in many different ways. Sometimes you have to stand back and look at a persons answer from a point of view other than your own.
I hope that you do not give up on ASL, but I also hope that you focus on your bi-polar and then go from there. Anyway, do stick around.

Shells

Etoile · 03-24-2008, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schermy

Aqua:

Interpretrator is not being negative at all. No one here is saying that we do not understand your Bi-Polar "issues." What we do not understand is the continued use of it as an "excuse" for your actions at all times. I have a condition that causes mood swings and depression. It's horrible for me and my family. It's most hard for my 2 kids. The thing is, I don't let it own me, I own the condition. I do not let it consume me and take over my life and use it as a "crutch" for my actions. I, in no way, want to see you leave the forum because in threads other that this one, you have some great topics and have some great things to say. However, I think it would be a good idea for you to really take a step back from this particular thread and regroup, so to speak. Take a deep breath and realize that no one was attacking you. They were in fact trying to give you the advice you were seeking and did so over and over again even when you asked the same question in may different ways. Sometimes you have to stand back and look at a persons answer from a point of view other than your own.
I hope that you do not give up on ASL, but I also hope that you focus on your bi-polar and then go from there. Anyway, do stick around.

Shells

Two hands WAY up!

Ariakkas · 03-24-2008, 10:18 AM

until you accept responsibility for your actions, noone is going to take you seriously...not here..and not in the real world.

grow up

AquaBlue · 03-24-2008, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schermy

Aqua:

Interpretrator is not being negative at all. No one here is saying that we do not understand your Bi-Polar "issues." What we do not understand is the continued use of it as an "excuse" for your actions at all times. I have a condition that causes mood swings and depression. It's horrible for me and my family. It's most hard for my 2 kids. The thing is, I don't let it own me, I own the condition. I do not let it consume me and take over my life and use it as a "crutch" for my actions. I, in no way, want to see you leave the forum because in threads other than this one, you have some great topics and have some great things to say. However, I think it would be a good idea for you to really take a step back from this particular thread and regroup, so to speak. Take a deep breath and realize that no one was attacking you. They were in fact trying to give you the advice you were seeking and did so over and over again even when you asked the same question in many different ways. Sometimes you have to stand back and look at a persons answer from a point of view other than your own.
I hope that you do not give up on ASL, but I also hope that you focus on your bi-polar and then go from there. Anyway, do stick around.

Shells

Thank you Schermy. Very important reply for me. Now one thing please, I am not making any excuses. I am expressing reasons for my behavour. That's all. I do not understand (really) why the opposite is true for most. I never give excuses...that just isn't me. If I would feel that I have made excuses I would declare it and ask for forgiveness in a heart beat. Please believe what I am saying in the reply. Thank you.

AquaBlue · 03-24-2008, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ariakkas

until you accept responsibility for your actions, noone is going to take you seriously...not here..and not in the real world.

grow up

You were one of the member that took the full brunt of my madness and for that I sincerly ask for your forgiveness. It hurts me deeply what happens. I mean, what would be my benefit from my insane words? Again, I am sorry Ariskkas. But I would understand if you remain angry with me and not want to forgive my words. Thank you.

Reba · 03-24-2008, 01:13 PM

Interpretrator's posts weren't negative--they were very informative and realistic.

AB, if you are truly interested in the interpreting profession, you will have to prepare yourself to "take it like a man" the constant evaluation and criticism (some constructive, some not) of instructors, fellow students, clients and consumers, professional peers, and self.

You will also have to prepare yourself for staying calm during highly charged emotional assignments, even after a long day, heavy traffic, a headache, and no lunch. You have to be a swan swimming upstream--serene on the surface while paddling furiously underwater, out of view.

Harsh as it seems, when the Deaf consumer is getting news from the hearing doctor that he has a terminal disease, or from the hearing boss that he's getting laid off, or from the hearing judge that he's getting 20 years in prison, or from the hearing cop that his daughter was murdered, that Deaf consumer doesn't care if you're having a bad day. That Deaf consumer may lash out at you with angry signs (or even a fist)--you have to be patient and quick on your feet.

The rewards are there too, of course, but terps can't allow them to go to their hearts and heads.

Terps are human but are sometimes expected to behave in ways that deny their humanity, and then keep it to themselves.

I'm not trying to scare you off or seem "negative." I truly love my profession. But I (and other terps here at AD) want you to go into it with both eyes wide open.

jillio · 03-24-2008, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

Because I was not totally responsible Darmah…not totally: Only partially. That’s why.

As a therapist, I have to tell you, AB, you are responsible. Your disoder may be a reason. However, it is not an excuse, and you are attempting to use it as one to avoid taking responsibility for your actions and making appropriate apologies. I'm sorry if this comment offends you, but I would say same to any client of mine that was behaving in the same way.

03-23-2008, 08:56 PM	#572 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	What some are telling me... Hey don't leave cause of a few members here. Yeah, don't leave just because we have different opinions than yours. You have the right to use this forum to make the post. Learn how to ignore those stupid cockroaches in one thread. I faced that problem in the past, and I moved on. Most of Internet users do not care about you, because they don't know you, and they never met you. They could bash you as hell…. Just ignore it and stay here on with us. You didn't do anything wrong here. Come on, do stay please. Aquablue, don't leave on the count of some bad post or whatever. Be strong! Everyone has their own opinion about whatever reason they feel that they want to express. Simple ignore those people who tried to bully, upset or whatever to you and positive yourself and will know that they are nothing... I do think that some of the comments on that thread, although they probably did not mean to, DID come accross as a little discouraging, from my point of view. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-23-2008, 09:18 PM	#574 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	I think I might be warming-up (minutely) to restarting my personal ASL study. That desire, today, is very weak for I am not allowing my heart to conquer my mind. Logic is more important to me than desire. The only injustice expressed in current replies, is that my actions were totally my fault- that I could of control myself somehow. Every person here has the right to think as they choose. I can’t help that. It is obvious that such ones have never experience bipolar before, which is a good thing because I would not ever wish such an illness on my very worse enemy. But what can I do? Regardless, I am looking back at my ASL resources and wanting to continue my progress. Let’s see how I feel tomorrow. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-23-2008, 09:59 PM	#575 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	From past posts, you know that I am not a Bible man but an Agnostic. Now there was a time in my life where the reverse was true. I was addicted to God and the Bible. Today with my unspiritual stance, I still would recall all of my earlier knowledge of the Bible and apply its wisdom as best I can in my thinking and in my actions. Why am I saying all this? Well it has to do with teaching if you can believe it. You see Jesus was an exceptional teacher. From his example, as a teacher, we gain much insight. Jesus was also known as the Shepherd (or teacher ) of his flock (his sheep-like followers). In Jesus’ teaching manner we discover that effective instruction comes through tenderness and patience. To illustrate, a shepherd, in order to keep his sheep from straying (both in mind and body), would use a staff. You would think that such a "shepherd" would forcefully keep his herd in line by using that rod harshly- striking it, wheeling it, and so forth. The paramount fact here is that Jesus used that rod in a much more effective way. Jesus would gently nudge* his followers (using his staff) in the right direction- always with heart-felt concern, personal interest, forgiveness, and deep love. That is wisdom. So when someone comes to me and wants my advice or instruction (an honor, yes), I would use Jesus (my teaching model) because his manner is nothing less than pure wisdom- always effective and humane. * The word Messiah also means Teacher. And if I remember correctly Jesus was also know as the Great Teacher. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-23-2008, 10:07 PM	#577 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	And also (sorry), if Jesus did not apply the wisdom mentioned above, his flock would scatter off or drift away from the path. So everything a teacher does/say affects his/her students in one-way or another. Teaching requires great responsibility because you can either influence or detour the learner from doing the right thing. Take note of what I am saying please. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-23-2008, 10:33 PM	#579 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	You know that there are laws that protect individuals who commit horrible crimes (like murder) to receive much lighter sentences because of their momentary insanity- the insanity defense. Those ones are not held completely accountable for there actions because of insanity. It’s true. Now for those who may say that a bipolar episode is not insanity, I would insist that you alter your thinking. Such episodes (swings) are nothing less than insanity. Just look at the chaos brought about by my harsh words. And that was a very mild episode too- not close (by a mile) to a full fledge event. A bipolar person goes from sanity, to a manic state, to a dark mood (depression) in a short time. If that is not insanity I do not know what is. And to say that such a person is completely responsible for his/her actions is ludicrous and unjust. Just ask a judge of law. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-23-2008, 07:11 PM	#571 (permalink)
Chase Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,316	I'm utterly surprised Alphablue is utterly surprised that most folks in discussion forums would want someone sparking discussions to leave. It's kind of why we're all here. I looked hard and can't find the specific request. So, good deal, it appears that you're staying.

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03-23-2008, 10:46 PM	#580 (permalink)
Etoile HOH terp Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Posts: 926	This is the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen. Don't expect to see me around AD for a while, folks.

03-23-2008, 10:49 PM	#581 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	What's wrong with Etoile? A mood swing maybe. I FORGIVE you Etoile. It's not your fault. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-23-2008, 11:03 PM	#583 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	Etoile, would say that in AD there are wolves in sheep clothing? In other words, people who seem pure and kind but are truly possessing bad intent? I smell something fishy lately around AD- with some members. My strong instincts tell me to be careful in here. Do you catch my drift? Or is it my paranoia acting up again?? I hope I do not need more meds now. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-24-2008, 02:50 AM	#586 (permalink)
AquaBlue ASL Student Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,381	It is my illness Interpretrator. How many times do I have to say that your assumtion is dead wrong. Read this >>. __________________ Currently Reading: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by David Wroblewski My Book List My Bipolar Page

03-24-2008, 10:18 AM	#592 (permalink)
Ariakkas Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 237	until you accept responsibility for your actions, noone is going to take you seriously...not here..and not in the real world. grow up

03-24-2008, 01:13 PM	#595 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 17,288	Interpretrator's posts weren't negative--they were very informative and realistic. AB, if you are truly interested in the interpreting profession, you will have to prepare yourself to "take it like a man" the constant evaluation and criticism (some constructive, some not) of instructors, fellow students, clients and consumers, professional peers, and self. You will also have to prepare yourself for staying calm during highly charged emotional assignments, even after a long day, heavy traffic, a headache, and no lunch. You have to be a swan swimming upstream--serene on the surface while paddling furiously underwater, out of view. Harsh as it seems, when the Deaf consumer is getting news from the hearing doctor that he has a terminal disease, or from the hearing boss that he's getting laid off, or from the hearing judge that he's getting 20 years in prison, or from the hearing cop that his daughter was murdered, that Deaf consumer doesn't care if you're having a bad day. That Deaf consumer may lash out at you with angry signs (or even a fist)--you have to be patient and quick on your feet. The rewards are there too, of course, but terps can't allow them to go to their hearts and heads. Terps are human but are sometimes expected to behave in ways that deny their humanity, and then keep it to themselves. I'm not trying to scare you off or seem "negative." I truly love my profession. But I (and other terps here at AD) want you to go into it with both eyes wide open.