Terps - Page 12

Anij · 03-13-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I would think that it is a golden rule for Terps to wear solid colors when interpreting in front of a group. Am I correct?

Yep - solid contrasting colors ... by which I mean:

light skin tone = dark colours
dark skin tone = light colours

AquaBlue · 03-13-2008, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anij

Yep - solid contrasting colors ... by which I mean:

light skin tone = dark colours
dark skin tone = light colours

Hmm. Good to know. Thanks Anij.

Anij · 03-13-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

Hmm. Good to know. Thanks Anij.

You're welcome,

I know it might seems that we're being harsh sometimes .... but it's only because we want to help - we want you to be successful. If we didn't care - this thread never would have gotten to 12 pages !

One step at a time

AquaBlue · 03-13-2008, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anij

You're welcome,

I know it might seems that we're being harsh sometimes .... but it's only because we want to help - we want you to be successful. If we didn't care - this thread never would have gotten to 12 pages !

One step at a time

I realize that Anij. And thank you much for all your help.

***VamPyroX*** · 03-13-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Anij

I'd prefer a less loud top , and the red nail polish is annoying ...

(that being said, with the 'terp shortages .... I'm less picky as of late)

I was gonna say the same thing.

Basically, interpreters are to avoid wearing anything that attracts attention.

Nail polish, rings, bracelets, necklaces, earrings, clothes, piercings, etc.

It's not a matter of identity, but a matter of professionalism.

I had an interpreter who always wore bright flashy Hawaiian-style outfits. It was annoying as hell. Luckily, I only had her for one class and it was in a class that I didn't really have to pay attention in since the majority of the grading was based on online work.

AquaBlue · 03-13-2008, 04:55 PM

I am going to wear a mint-green tye dye t-shirt with swirling orange stripes on my first Terp job.

**Interpretrator** · 03-13-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

You know that these memory techniques have helped me since the mid 80s. I know that they will help me increase sign vocabulary.

It is absolutely your perogative to keep doing things the way you have always done them. I or other people here may also have valid reasons why you might wish to change those methods.

Good luck.

AquaBlue · 03-13-2008, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interpretrator

It is absolutely your perogative to keep doing things the way you have always done them. I or other people here may also have valid reasons why you might wish to change those methods.

Good luck.

Tell me what reasons Interpretrator.

Etoile · 03-14-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

Also I've created a memory tale to recall the sign words from the dictionary (A). Of course I understand that some other signs are used per word but at least I have a starting point. This is the mnemonic story:

Hmmm. Well, this is one way to approach it, but I'm not sure I would use English words this way. Here is why:

Quote:

Adonia was teaching 1st graders at a school for the Deaf. One of the activities that she did with her students came from a book entitled, “Have You Ever Seen…? An ABC Book,” by Beau Gardner. This book comes with pictures that symbolize each letter of the alphabet, such as a picture of an Alligator wearing an antler for the letter A. During the activity, Adonia found herself struggling to keep her students engaged. At one point, one young girl signed excitedly, “I know! A is Love, With, and Everyday!” While those signs were not the correct answers for the letter A, they were actually the right answers for handshape A. Adonia went home that night feeling despondent, thinking that she had failed as a teacher. The next day, however, Adonia decided to try something new. She asked students to list all of the words associated with the handshape A. Students started throwing out answers, and the activity went on so long that Adonia had to ask them to stop. At the end of the activity, Adonia was overwhelmed by the significant difference between the numbers of words that they listed for the ABC activity when compared to the tremendous number of words they listed for the handshape activity.

So you might have better luck focusing on handshapes, not English letters.

edit: I see that others have already addressed this. The story above is exactly what they are talking about. Using English words is not really the way to go about learning ASL on your own. You might think "a sign is a word" but it's better to shake that mentality, otherwise you will live your life translating ASL to English in your head instead of just understanding the ASL right away. Try rewriting your story using signs you know that use the handshape A. As above, this doesn't mean the English words will start with A! But it's a much better approach to learning ASL...otherwise you might as well go take a SEE class.

Etoile · 03-14-2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I got that info directly from a video titled Mouth Morphemes in American Sign Language. The page I put up is exactly what is taught in that video. So the video instruction is wrong Etoile?

Like Anij and RDC_girl have said, you're getting ahead of yourself. I showed your page to a friend of mine who is in my linguistics class with me, and here is what he said: "Oh my god, that's way too complex. Tell him a deaf person said to ignore that stuff!" So there you go...another deaf voice (in addition to those on this thread, and my own terp voice) suggesting that you are getting ahead of yourself.

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I feel so discouraged. But I will not let anyone stop my progress.

*sighs*

I find this very aggressive. The mad faces make it even more so. Look, do you want our help, or don't you? You came on here asking for help because you want to learn ASL and you want to be an interpreter. Now you're deciding that you don't like what we're telling you because we're trying to stop your progress and make you discouraged. It's just not the case. Everything that has been said to you, has been said with the intent of trying to make your learning process EASIER. But you seem to insist in your bull-headed method of I will learn ASL my way dammit!! and you're ignoring the words of those whose wisdom you claim to seek.

AquaBlue · 03-14-2008, 10:12 AM

I very much appreciate all the advice given even though it may not seem that way. I understand what is being said about my study methods but please see it my way in this case. Such memory methods work splendidly for me- they always have… I will keep your words in mind but I will not change my study ways. They have helped me learn so much in my past to give it up…to adjust to another way of learning. I am sorry but I can’t follow that one advice. I will of course follow all other advice as normal.

Thanks for your understanding.

Etoile · 03-14-2008, 10:28 AM

We're not suggesting another way of learning, though. Your memory techniques - which I find very admirable - will work just fine. We're just suggesting a different way to apply them to learning ASL. Remember, ASL is a visual language, it's not like any other language you've learned before. By making a story with English words, you're trying to make ASL be English, and it's not...it's a different language. ASL words are not made with letters, they are made with handshapes. But you're using letters to remember signs, which will hinder your understanding in the future. You have to disconnect ASL from English. Otherwise, like I said, you will be stuck translating instead of just understanding.

I have an idea. May I suggest The Joy of Signing by Lottie Riekehof? Instead of being organized alphabetically, it is organized conceptually. Also, it lists origins for signs, which helps you remember them - if you understand WHY a sign looks like it does, it's easier to remember. Your library probably has this book, why not take a look and see if it is something that will help you? The ASL Handshape Dictionary (there is a workbook too) is also worth checking into. These tools will help you think of ASL as independent from English.

jillio · 03-14-2008, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I am going to wear a mint-green tye dye t-shirt with swirling orange stripes on my first Terp job.

That will be sure to dazzle and confuse!

AquaBlue · 03-14-2008, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etoile

We're not suggesting another way of learning, though. Your memory techniques - which I find very admirable - will work just fine. We're just suggesting a different way to apply them to learning ASL. Remember, ASL is a visual language, it's not like any other language you've learned before. By making a story with English words, you're trying to make ASL be English, and it's not...it's a different language. ASL words are not made with letters, they are made with handshapes. But you're using letters to remember signs, which will hinder your understanding in the future. You have to disconnect ASL from English. Otherwise, like I said, you will be stuck translating instead of just understanding.

I have an idea. May I suggest The Joy of Signing by Lottie Riekehof? Instead of being organized alphabetically, it is organized conceptually. Also, it lists origins for signs, which helps you remember them - if you understand WHY a sign looks like it does, it's easier to remember. Your library probably has this book, why not take a look and see if it is something that will help you? The ASL Handshape Dictionary (there is a workbook too) is also worth checking into. These tools will help you think of ASL as independent from English.

What if I just learn initialize signs instead? I read through the handshape dictionary but I did not like it. Okay I'll check out Joy of Signing by Lottie Riekehof just to see what you mean in all this- I truly do not understand what is being told me to be frank.

jillio · 03-14-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

What if I just learn initialize signs instead? I read through the handshape dictionary but I did not like it. Okay I'll check out Joy of Signing by Lottie Riekehof just to see what you mean in all this- I truly do not understand what is being told me to be frank.

Are you talking about the intialized signs as used in SEE?

RDC_girl · 03-14-2008, 02:42 PM

AB - just wanted to say with mouth morphenes, they come once you have a good grasp of the language... When I started learning ASL it took so much for me to remember them. Now, they just happen (mind you I have been signing for 3 years) The more comfortable you are with signing, the easier it will be.

AquaBlue · 03-14-2008, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

Are you talking about the intialized signs as used in SEE?

I'm not familiar with SEE jilio. Good to see you again on this thread.

AquaBlue · 03-14-2008, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RDC_girl

AB - just wanted to say with mouth morphenes, they come once you have a good grasp of the language... When I started learning ASL it took so much for me to remember them. Now, they just happen (mind you I have been signing for 3 years) The more comfortable you are with signing, the easier it will be.

I just wanted to see what MM was all about. I never intended to use it. Thanks!

AquaBlue · 03-14-2008, 03:44 PM

Is the sign in the above cover the sign for cheese, movie or something else?

Anij · 03-14-2008, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

Is the sign in the above cover the sign for cheese, movie or something else?

If I had to guess ... considering the topic ... "Gesture" would seem to make sense? ... (does the inside cover say ? - my copy's at home ... and I'm not)

AquaBlue · 03-14-2008, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anij

If I had to guess ... considering the topic ... "Gesture" would seem to make sense? ... (does the inside cover say ? - my copy's at home ... and I'm not)

Just being a little silly Anij.

Anij · 03-14-2008, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I'm not familiar with SEE jilio. Good to see you again on this thread.

can you give us some (5 maybe) examples of what you mean by initialized signs ?

when I think "initialized signs' I think groups like
RELIGION, THEOLOGY
CLASS, GROUP. TEAM, DIOCESE
BLUE, GREEN, YELLOW, GREY...
CONCEPT, IDEA, (MEMORY, REASON)

One thing you might want to start doing ( I'm sure it's been suggested before) is creating handshape stories and/or ABC stories ! they will help reinforce and connect the signs together for you in a more natural (ASL natural) way.

AquaBlue · 03-14-2008, 06:48 PM

When the sign movement includes the letter handshape in it. Like the sign word Able- with the A-hands moving downward before the body.

**shel90** · 03-14-2008, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I'm not familiar with SEE jilio. Good to see you again on this thread.

SEE is Signing Exact English

**Interpretrator** · 03-14-2008, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I will not change my study ways. They have helped me learn so much in my past to give it up…to adjust to another way of learning.

It's brave to make that decision before knowing much about the language. I can't imagine making a decision not to change my methods of studying before starting a new subject of any kind -- language or other -- since I have no idea exactly what kind of study methods may be necessary. Hope it works out for you but I would only mention that with so many experienced people telling you it's not the best way to study ASL, you might consider lessening your adamant position.

AquaBlue · 03-14-2008, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interpretrator

It's brave to make that decision before knowing much about the language. I can't imagine making a decision not to change my methods of studying before starting a new subject of any kind -- language or other -- since I have no idea exactly what kind of study methods may be necessary. Hope it works out for you but I would only mention that with so many experienced people telling you it's not the best way to study ASL, you might consider lessening your adamant position.

I will be more open to that suggestion then. How precisely should I study ASL?
Any subject fits into the memory methods I use.

Anij · 03-14-2008, 08:25 PM

Hey ASLers !!
I'm wondering if the book "Learning to See" might be useful ???

It's been a long time since I read it ... Ideas ??

AquaBlue · 03-14-2008, 10:29 PM

I use this book (below) not only to brush up on my spelling, an essential skill for signers (I’m certain), but for fingerspelling drills. All the words in this great dictionary are spaced out in syllables so that I can mouth-out (silently) the entire word as I spell it out with my fingers. So you train both your finger muscles and your brain

And to think that I only paid a buck for it at a thrift store. A fantastic deal on a great book!

AquaBlue · 03-14-2008, 11:14 PM

Working on my fingerspelling (not retention- just drills) is a lot like practicing a musical instrument like the guitar. Manual dexterity is gained only through finger drills (scales and such); only then can one express him/herself musically- with clarity (smooth, rhythmic movement). The same is true (to me) with fingerspelling practices.

Of course such drills are only a fraction of what is needed to be a fairly good fingerspelling signer (or guitarist). I do one or two pages of the book mentioned above; if I do more my hand muscles start to ache.

AquaBlue · 03-14-2008, 11:35 PM

Interpretrator: In a short span of two days (an hour and a half per day), I have learned (memorized) 139 signs! My study methods may not be the ideal way to learn ASL, but they are effective.

03-13-2008, 04:55 PM	#336 (permalink)
AquaBlue Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 2,031	I am going to wear a mint-green tye dye t-shirt with swirling orange stripes on my first Terp job. __________________ __

03-14-2008, 10:12 AM	#341 (permalink)
AquaBlue Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 2,031	I very much appreciate all the advice given even though it may not seem that way. I understand what is being said about my study methods but please see it my way in this case. Such memory methods work splendidly for me- they always have… I will keep your words in mind but I will not change my study ways. They have helped me learn so much in my past to give it up…to adjust to another way of learning. I am sorry but I can’t follow that one advice. I will of course follow all other advice as normal. Thanks for your understanding. __________________ __

03-14-2008, 03:44 PM	#349 (permalink)
AquaBlue Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 2,031	Is the sign in the above cover the sign for cheese, movie or something else? __________________ __

03-14-2008, 06:48 PM	#353 (permalink)
AquaBlue Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 2,031	When the sign movement includes the letter handshape in it. Like the sign word Able- with the A-hands moving downward before the body. __________________ __

03-14-2008, 10:29 PM	#358 (permalink)
AquaBlue Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 2,031	I use this book (below) not only to brush up on my spelling, an essential skill for signers (I’m certain), but for fingerspelling drills. All the words in this great dictionary are spaced out in syllables so that I can mouth-out (silently) the entire word as I spell it out with my fingers. So you train both your finger muscles and your brain And to think that I only paid a buck for it at a thrift store. A fantastic deal on a great book! __________________ __

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03-14-2008, 10:28 AM	#342 (permalink)
Etoile Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Posts: 1,184	We're not suggesting another way of learning, though. Your memory techniques - which I find very admirable - will work just fine. We're just suggesting a different way to apply them to learning ASL. Remember, ASL is a visual language, it's not like any other language you've learned before. By making a story with English words, you're trying to make ASL be English, and it's not...it's a different language. ASL words are not made with letters, they are made with handshapes. But you're using letters to remember signs, which will hinder your understanding in the future. You have to disconnect ASL from English. Otherwise, like I said, you will be stuck translating instead of just understanding. I have an idea. May I suggest The Joy of Signing by Lottie Riekehof? Instead of being organized alphabetically, it is organized conceptually. Also, it lists origins for signs, which helps you remember them - if you understand WHY a sign looks like it does, it's easier to remember. Your library probably has this book, why not take a look and see if it is something that will help you? The ASL Handshape Dictionary (there is a workbook too) is also worth checking into. These tools will help you think of ASL as independent from English.

03-14-2008, 02:42 PM	#346 (permalink)
RDC_girl Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 489	AB - just wanted to say with mouth morphenes, they come once you have a good grasp of the language... When I started learning ASL it took so much for me to remember them. Now, they just happen (mind you I have been signing for 3 years) The more comfortable you are with signing, the easier it will be.

03-14-2008, 08:25 PM	#357 (permalink)
Anij Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,087	Hey ASLers !! I'm wondering if the book "Learning to See" might be useful ??? It's been a long time since I read it ... Ideas ??

03-14-2008, 11:14 PM	#359 (permalink)
AquaBlue Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 2,031	Working on my fingerspelling (not retention- just drills) is a lot like practicing a musical instrument like the guitar. Manual dexterity is gained only through finger drills (scales and such); only then can one express him/herself musically- with clarity (smooth, rhythmic movement). The same is true (to me) with fingerspelling practices. Of course such drills are only a fraction of what is needed to be a fairly good fingerspelling signer (or guitarist). I do one or two pages of the book mentioned above; if I do more my hand muscles start to ache. __________________ __

03-14-2008, 11:35 PM	#360 (permalink)
AquaBlue Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 2,031	Interpretrator: In a short span of two days (an hour and a half per day), I have learned (memorized) 139 signs! My study methods may not be the ideal way to learn ASL, but they are effective. __________________ __

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